Oxford scientist, "Wind power fails..."

[jc456]

What? I asked a question.

expected answer.

 

[okfine]

expected answer.

Shit talker

 

[jwoodie]

I'm with you. Nuclear power is the way to go.

Not as long as you keep pushing your "green" agenda.

 

[White 6]

Not as long as you keep pushing your "green" agenda.

I don't have a green agenda to push. I simply have no wish to interfere in how Texas generates their electricity, along with profits. What ever happened to free enterprise where you come from? You are wanting to wage some economic war on Texas, because you don't like where they get 20 - 23% of their electricity? You are aware, if Texas was a country, it would be the 5th highest producer of electricity by wind power in the world and primarily through private companies, with about $24.6 Billion Dollars of investment? I'm not your problem. I will enjoy watching you try to make those Texans quit making money off the wind, to supply their need for additional electric generation capacity. What is your agenda, and why do you hate Texas?
For that matter, what have you got against Iowa? They get 58% of their electric generation capacity and production from Wind.
Here is your hit list, the people you hate for whatever reason. Notice, my state is not on the list. I'm not your problem.

I'm just an old fashioned guy that doesn't believe in butting into how other states do business in their state. So, What's your problem with all the people above, and what do you propose to do about it?

 

[jwoodie]

I don't have a green agenda to push. I simply have no wish to interfere in how Texas generates their electricity, along with profits. What ever happened to free enterprise where you come from? You are wanting to wage some economic war on Texas, because you don't like where they get 20 - 23% of their electricity? You are aware, if Texas was a country, it would be the 5th highest producer of electricity by wind power in the world and primarily through private companies, with about $24.6 Billion Dollars of investment? I'm not your problem. I will enjoy watching you try to make those Texans quit making money off the wind, to supply their need for additional electric generation capacity. What is your agenda, and why do you hate Texas?
For that matter, what have you got against Iowa? They get 58% of their electric generation capacity and production from Wind.
Here is your hit list, the people you hate for whatever reason. Notice, my state is not on the list. I'm not your problem.
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I'm just an old fashioned guy that doesn't believe in butting into how other states do business in their state. So, What's your problem with all the people above, and what do you propose to do about it?

1. Subsidized wind and solar energy projects are not free, and certainly do not represent "free enterprise." In many places, wind turbines have been shut done because they do not produce enough energy to pay for their maintenance and repair.

2. Your chart does not indicate its source, nor does its define "net" electricity generation. As you should know, wind power is unreliable and rarely coincides with peak energy demands.

3. The only things I "hate" are deceptive/insincere arguments.

 

[jc456]

I don't have a green agenda to push. I simply have no wish to interfere in how Texas generates their electricity, along with profits. What ever happened to free enterprise where you come from? You are wanting to wage some economic war on Texas, because you don't like where they get 20 - 23% of their electricity? You are aware, if Texas was a country, it would be the 5th highest producer of electricity by wind power in the world and primarily through private companies, with about $24.6 Billion Dollars of investment? I'm not your problem. I will enjoy watching you try to make those Texans quit making money off the wind, to supply their need for additional electric generation capacity. What is your agenda, and why do you hate Texas?
For that matter, what have you got against Iowa? They get 58% of their electric generation capacity and production from Wind.
Here is your hit list, the people you hate for whatever reason. Notice, my state is not on the list. I'm not your problem.
View attachment 770100

I'm just an old fashioned guy that doesn't believe in butting into how other states do business in their state. So, What's your problem with all the people above, and what do you propose to do about it?

who paid for all the turbines?

 

[White 6]

who paid for all the turbines?

You'd have to talk the Texans to find that out. Heck, you and I or our grandkids possibly. I don't know.

 

[Flash]

Wind and solar are shitty technologies for producing electricity.

 

[abu afak]

The existence of them in Texas was the dominant Cause of the power outage.

Now caught Sunsettommy with 5 Errors/Lies in 4 days.​

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...used-by-renewables-heres-what-really-happened​

No, The Blackouts In Texas Weren't Caused By ...​

NPR
https://www.npr.org › sections › 2021/02/18 › no-the-bl...
Feb 18, 2021 — Some prominent Republicans have blamed wind and solar power for the blackouts in the storm-stricken state. But the truth is that every ...

Texas blackouts prevented with renewable energy​

Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com › 2022/02/20 › texas...
Feb 20, 2022 — Electricity blackouts could be avoided across the nation by switching to solar, wind and water energy sources.

Fact check: The causes for Texas' blackout go well beyond ...​

Reuters
https://www.reuters.com › article › fact-check-the-caus...
Feb 19, 2021 — During a historic cold snap that has left millions of Texans without electricity, water, and heat for days, claims that the state's use of ...

No, renewable energy like wind didn't 'thrust' Texas into ...​

Austin American-Statesman
https://www.statesman.com › politifact › 2021/02/19 › te...
Feb 19, 2021 — Gov. Greg Abbott tied the Texas power outage to renewable energy resources while on Sean Hannity's Fox News program this week.

What Caused the Blackouts in Texas?​

The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com › texas-blackouts-disinformation
May 3, 2021 — The state's widespread electricity failure was largely caused by freezing natural gas pipelines. That didn't stop advocates for fossil fuels ...

No, frozen wind turbines aren't to blame for Texas' power ...​

The Texas Tribune
https://www.texastribune.org › 2021/02/16 › texas-wi...

Feb 16, 2021 — Lost wind power was expected to be a fraction of winter generation. All sources — from natural gas, to nuclear, to coal, to solar — have ...

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[Toddsterpatriot]

Now caught 5 SunsetTommy Errors/Lies in 4 days.​

​

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...used-by-renewables-heres-what-really-happened​

No, The Blackouts In Texas Weren't Caused By ...​

NPR
https://www.npr.org › sections › 2021/02/18 › no-the-bl...
Feb 18, 2021 — Some prominent Republicans have blamed wind and solar power for the blackouts in the storm-stricken state. But the truth is that every ...

Texas blackouts prevented with renewable energy​

Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com › 2022/02/20 › texas...
Feb 20, 2022 — Electricity blackouts could be avoided across the nation by switching to solar, wind and water energy sources.

Fact check: The causes for Texas' blackout go well beyond ...​

Reuters
https://www.reuters.com › article › fact-check-the-caus...
Feb 19, 2021 — During a historic cold snap that has left millions of Texans without electricity, water, and heat for days, claims that the state's use of ...

No, renewable energy like wind didn't 'thrust' Texas into ...​

Austin American-Statesman
https://www.statesman.com › politifact › 2021/02/19 › te...
Feb 19, 2021 — Gov. Greg Abbott tied the Texas power outage to renewable energy resources while on Sean Hannity's Fox News program this week.

What Caused the Blackouts in Texas?​

The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com › texas-blackouts-disinformation
May 3, 2021 — The state's widespread electricity failure was largely caused by freezing natural gas pipelines. That didn't stop advocates for fossil fuels ...

No, frozen wind turbines aren't to blame for Texas' power ...​

The Texas Tribune
https://www.texastribune.org › 2021/02/16 › texas-wi...

Feb 16, 2021 — Lost wind power was expected to be a fraction of winter generation. All sources — from natural gas, to nuclear, to coal, to solar — have ...

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Feb 20, 2022 — Electricity blackouts could be avoided across the nation by switching to solar, wind and water energy sources.

That is an excellent idea.

How many new dams will the greens allow us to build?
Is it more than the number they want to remove?

 

[skookerasbil]

I don't know about solar but you may be off on the estimate that solar and wind combined are 7% of total us power generation, at least according to EIA estimate.
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Electricity generation from wind - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

A history of U.S. wind electricity generation since 1950.

www.eia.gov

On April 10, 2019, daily electricity generation from wind turbines in the United States (excluding Alaska and Hawaii) reached a high of 1.42 million MWh. That record stood for a year and a half before it was surpassed on several days in November and December 2020. Wind electricity generation reached 1.76 million MWh on December 23, or about 17% of total electricity generation on that day. On average, EIA estimates that wind accounted for 9% of US electricity generation in 2020.

US wind generation sets new daily and hourly records at end of 2020 - EIA

In the final months of 2020, electricity generation from wind turbines in the United States set daily and hourly records. Hourly data collected in the US E

renewablesnow.com

My bad...12% combined ( solar 2.8%)

Still laughable.

Only a progressive would be impressed.

Wait'll the real recession hits late '23...yuk...yuk...

 

[skookerasbil]

Now caught Sunsettommy with 5 Errors/Lies in 4 days.​

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...used-by-renewables-heres-what-really-happened​

No, The Blackouts In Texas Weren't Caused By ...​

NPR
https://www.npr.org › sections › 2021/02/18 › no-the-bl...
Feb 18, 2021 — Some prominent Republicans have blamed wind and solar power for the blackouts in the storm-stricken state. But the truth is that every ...

Texas blackouts prevented with renewable energy​

Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com › 2022/02/20 › texas...
Feb 20, 2022 — Electricity blackouts could be avoided across the nation by switching to solar, wind and water energy sources.

Fact check: The causes for Texas' blackout go well beyond ...​

Reuters
https://www.reuters.com › article › fact-check-the-caus...
Feb 19, 2021 — During a historic cold snap that has left millions of Texans without electricity, water, and heat for days, claims that the state's use of ...

No, renewable energy like wind didn't 'thrust' Texas into ...​

Austin American-Statesman
https://www.statesman.com › politifact › 2021/02/19 › te...
Feb 19, 2021 — Gov. Greg Abbott tied the Texas power outage to renewable energy resources while on Sean Hannity's Fox News program this week.

What Caused the Blackouts in Texas?​

The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com › texas-blackouts-disinformation
May 3, 2021 — The state's widespread electricity failure was largely caused by freezing natural gas pipelines. That didn't stop advocates for fossil fuels ...

No, frozen wind turbines aren't to blame for Texas' power ...​

The Texas Tribune
https://www.texastribune.org › 2021/02/16 › texas-wi...

Feb 16, 2021 — Lost wind power was expected to be a fraction of winter generation. All sources — from natural gas, to nuclear, to coal, to solar — have ...

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Sources are.....

 

[White 6]

My bad...12% combined ( solar 2.8%)

Still laughable.

Only a progressive would be impressed.

Wait'll the real recession hits late '23...yuk...yuk...

Or a Texan with a significant business interest in continuing to sell electricity. We will never be a wind powered country, as it just is not feasible, but that doesn't mean it won't be a significant and growing contributor to the electric grid in many locations and states.

 

[skookerasbil]

Or a Texan with a significant business interest in continuing to sell electricity. We will never be a wind powered country, as it just is not feasible, but that doesn't mean it won't be a significant and growing contributor to the electric grid in many locations and states.

s0n.......we will both be a long time in our boxes before solar/wind are anywhere near significant on the energy landscape. Just sayin'.....though who knows? Maybe you live to 135 years old and if you do, God bless you my friend!

 

[westwall]

Ok, Ok, it's awful. Does that mean Texas should give up the 92.9 Terawatts they are generating using wind power down there, and find some other way to make up the deficit?
How about Iowa? Iowa gets 58% of the power generated and used in their state from wind.
What are you proposing to do, to make these people quit getting their power from wind for their own good?

Provide real time data that they are producing that.

 

[expat_panama]

... Does that mean Texas should give up the 92.9 Terawatts they are generating using wind power...

It would be interesting to see where you got that number. Looking up on the internet for Texas power generation is hard to find because the writers seem to have forgotten their middle school science. The confusion over GWatt hours of energy versus KWatts of power is unfortunate because people really need to understand the difference between energy and power.

What is the annual average power available w/ wind in Texas or nationwide?

How about Iowa? Iowa gets 58% of the power generated and used in their state from wind.
What are you proposing to do, to make these people quit getting their power from wind for their own good?

ditto for Iowa.

My thinking was that gas, nuke, and hydro are constant sources but wind is occasional. Power comes out when the wind blows, not when the power is needed. If it were truly an asset to the grid then the massive government subsidies would no longer be necessary, but wind isn't so the subsidies are.

 

[expat_panama]

I don't have a green agenda to push. I simply have no wish to interfere in how Texas generates their electricity, along with profits. What ever happened to free enterprise where you come from? You are wanting to wage some economic war on Texas, because you don't like where they get 20 - 23% of their electricity? You are aware, if Texas was a country, it would be the 5th highest producer of electricity by wind power in the world and primarily through private companies, with about $24.6 Billion Dollars of investment? I'm not your problem. I will enjoy watching you try to make those Texans quit making money off the wind, to supply their need for additional electric generation capacity. What is your agenda, and why do you hate Texas?
For that matter, what have you got against Iowa? They get 58% of their electric generation capacity and production from Wind.
Here is your hit list, the people you hate for whatever reason. Notice, my state is not on the list. I'm not your problem.
View attachment 770100

I'm just an old fashioned guy that doesn't believe in butting into how other states do business in their state. So, What's your problem with all the people above, and what do you propose to do about it?

That may be a feel-good arm-waving set of data, but it makes no sense.

A terraWatt-hour is a unit of energy. An electrical grid provides power to consumers. From our middle school science classes we know that there is a difference between power and energy.

To understand the benefit of wind power we need to know the average annual power into the grid, the cost (including subsidies) of that energy (remember that yearly power is a unit of energy) and then we compare the various costs (including subsidies).

 

[Blues Man]

Not as long as you keep pushing your "green" agenda.

Except nuclear power is actually the greenest of the green especially the liquid fuel reactors that use molten salts.

100% emission free power generation 24/7/365

 

[Oddball]

Restate your question, please. Are you asking the cost per kilowatt-hour or the cost in birds chopped up, what? If your are talking costs per Kwh, than guess between 2 and 6 cents per kilowatt-hour. You will have to clarifie the question if we are going to get into esoteric costs. I just look up actual data.

How much does it cost to manufacture, transport, erect, and maintain one of those eyesores?

Will that cost ever be recouped in the lifetime of a single one of those contraptions?

Spoiler alert: No.

 

[Crick]

How much does it cost to manufacture, transport, erect, and maintain one of those eyesores?

Will that cost ever be recouped in the lifetime of a single one of those contraptions?

Spoiler alert: No.

So, you think the utilities that have erected thousands of those around the planet just didn't know what they were doing?