Our Kennedy.

[Sallow]

They are a baby and lying to yourself doesn't change that

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SO, a woman is not capable of making that decision? Why is that?

She did the minute she decided to have sex. Responsibility can not be murdered away.

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So you are concerned about what here, life in general? Human life? American life? What?

What's your problem with abortion?

 

[thanatos144]

SO, a woman is not capable of making that decision? Why is that?

She did the minute she decided to have sex. Responsibility can not be murdered away.

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So you are concerned about what here, life in general? Human life? American life? What?

What's your problem with abortion?

Murdering innocent babies is wrong. I didn't bring it up

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[Sallow]

She did the minute she decided to have sex. Responsibility can not be murdered away.

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So you are concerned about what here, life in general? Human life? American life? What?

What's your problem with abortion?

Murdering innocent babies is wrong. I didn't bring it up

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So it's just babies you are concerned about? Or babies in America? What?

 

[Papageorgio]

The FACT is that Kennedy increased the number of troops in South Vietnam from under a thousand when he took office to over sixteen thousand when he was killed. He never withdrew troops.

Kennedy increased the number of military personnel in Vietnam to over sixteen thousand. Then he had ordered the withdrawal of 1,000 troops by the end of 1963 and all troops by the end of 1965 on the day he died. He never sent in any divisions, didn't fabricate a wars act, lobby Congress or sign a resolution for the use of "conventional'' military force in Southeast Asia or Americanize the Vietnam war. To try to pin what happened after he died to him is ignorant and dishonest.

March 8, 1965 - The first U.S. combat troops arrive in Vietnam.

Still believe in the tooth fairy as well?

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Funny how they inhale certain propaganda. Facts are irrelevant.

 

[thanatos144]

So you are concerned about what here, life in general? Human life? American life? What?

What's your problem with abortion?

Murdering innocent babies is wrong. I didn't bring it up

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So it's just babies you are concerned about? Or babies in America? What?

Awww kook at the village idiot try a lay a trap lol

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[Bfgrn]

Kennedy increased the number of military personnel in Vietnam to over sixteen thousand. Then he had ordered the withdrawal of 1,000 troops by the end of 1963 and all troops by the end of 1965 on the day he died. He never sent in any divisions, didn't fabricate a wars act, lobby Congress or sign a resolution for the use of "conventional'' military force in Southeast Asia or Americanize the Vietnam war. To try to pin what happened after he died to him is ignorant and dishonest.

March 8, 1965 - The first U.S. combat troops arrive in Vietnam.

Still believe in the tooth fairy as well?

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Funny how they inhale certain propaganda. Facts are irrelevant.

Those ARE the facts. You are welcome to try to dispute them, but you won't. Why? Because you CAN'T. You can only hail insults, then cut & run.

 

[Papageorgio]

Still believe in the tooth fairy as well?

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Funny how they inhale certain propaganda. Facts are irrelevant.

Those ARE the facts. You are welcome to try to dispute them, but you won't. Why? Because you CAN'T. You can only hail insults, then cut & run.

No, because I post and try to work with the ignorant and they are to ignorant to admit when proven wrong. So why bother, you prove how ignorant, intolerant and hateful you are with every post. No need to help you out.

 

[Bfgrn]

Funny how they inhale certain propaganda. Facts are irrelevant.

Those ARE the facts. You are welcome to try to dispute them, but you won't. Why? Because you CAN'T. You can only hail insults, then cut & run.

No, because I post and try to work with the ignorant and they are to ignorant to admit when proven wrong. So why bother, you prove how ignorant, intolerant and hateful you are with every post. No need to help you out.

Translation...game, set match Bfgrn...


FACTS:

On October 2, 1963, President Kennedy made clear his determination to implement those plans—to withdraw 1,000 troops by the end of 1963, and to get almost all the rest out by the end of 1965. There followed, on October 4, a memorandum titled “South Vietnam Actions” from General Maxwell Taylor to his fellow Joint Chiefs of Staff, Generals May, Wheeler, Shoup, and Admiral McDonald, that reads:

b. The program currently in progress to train Vietnamese forces will be reviewed and accelerated as necessary to insure that all essential functions visualized to be required for the projected operational environment, to include those now performed by U.S. military units and personnel, can be assumed properly by the Vietnamese by the end of calendar year 1965. All planning will be directed towards preparing RVN forces for the withdrawal of all U.S. special assistance units and personnel by the end of calendar year 1965. (Emphasis added.)

“All planning” is an unconditional phrase. There is no contingency here, or elsewhere in this memorandum. The next paragraph reads:

c. Execute the plan to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963 per your DTG 212201Z July, and as approved for planning by JCS DTG 062042Z September. Previous guidance on the public affairs annex is altered to the extent that the action will now be treated in low key, as the initial increment of U.S. forces whose presence is no longer required because (a) Vietnamese forces have been trained to assume the function involved; or (b) the function for which they came to Vietnam has been completed. (Emphasis added.)

THIS was the official US policy on the day President Kennedy died.

 

[Sallow]

Murdering innocent babies is wrong. I didn't bring it up

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So it's just babies you are concerned about? Or babies in America? What?

Awww kook at the village idiot try a lay a trap lol

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It's not a "trap" man.

It's BAU for you.

We've done this dance before.

You come up short.

You are all for war, the death penalty, stand your ground and a plethora of other stuff that involves killing human beings you don't like.

So really?

You are just a hypocrite.

Just say it.

Be proud.

Own it.

 

[Oldstyle]

As for Jackie Kennedy? Remind me why I should expect the thoughts of one of the more vacuous First Ladies in the history of our nation to sway my opinion on her late husband's politics? Jackie Kennedy didn't know her hubby was screwing most of the females in the Western hemisphere...but she's suddenly an expert on politics? Please...

WOW, you really are a septic piece of shit aren't you.

Vacuous? Jackie Kennedy not only knew about Jack's womanizing, she tried to get him back by having affairs with William Holden and Fiat founder Gianni Agnelli.

So having affairs makes Jackie Kennedy "less" vacuous? Interesting concept...

 

[Sallow]

As for Jackie Kennedy? Remind me why I should expect the thoughts of one of the more vacuous First Ladies in the history of our nation to sway my opinion on her late husband's politics? Jackie Kennedy didn't know her hubby was screwing most of the females in the Western hemisphere...but she's suddenly an expert on politics? Please...

WOW, you really are a septic piece of shit aren't you.

Vacuous? Jackie Kennedy not only knew about Jack's womanizing, she tried to get him back by having affairs with William Holden and Fiat founder Gianni Agnelli.

So having affairs makes Jackie Kennedy "less" vacuous? Interesting concept...

It makes her human.

We all can't be saints.

Like conservatives.

 

[Oldstyle]

Those ARE the facts. You are welcome to try to dispute them, but you won't. Why? Because you CAN'T. You can only hail insults, then cut & run.

No, because I post and try to work with the ignorant and they are to ignorant to admit when proven wrong. So why bother, you prove how ignorant, intolerant and hateful you are with every post. No need to help you out.

Translation...game, set match Bfgrn...


FACTS:

On October 2, 1963, President Kennedy made clear his determination to implement those plans—to withdraw 1,000 troops by the end of 1963, and to get almost all the rest out by the end of 1965. There followed, on October 4, a memorandum titled “South Vietnam Actions” from General Maxwell Taylor to his fellow Joint Chiefs of Staff, Generals May, Wheeler, Shoup, and Admiral McDonald, that reads:

b. The program currently in progress to train Vietnamese forces will be reviewed and accelerated as necessary to insure that all essential functions visualized to be required for the projected operational environment, to include those now performed by U.S. military units and personnel, can be assumed properly by the Vietnamese by the end of calendar year 1965. All planning will be directed towards preparing RVN forces for the withdrawal of all U.S. special assistance units and personnel by the end of calendar year 1965. (Emphasis added.)

“All planning” is an unconditional phrase. There is no contingency here, or elsewhere in this memorandum. The next paragraph reads:

c. Execute the plan to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963 per your DTG 212201Z July, and as approved for planning by JCS DTG 062042Z September. Previous guidance on the public affairs annex is altered to the extent that the action will now be treated in low key, as the initial increment of U.S. forces whose presence is no longer required because (a) Vietnamese forces have been trained to assume the function involved; or (b) the function for which they came to Vietnam has been completed. (Emphasis added.)

THIS was the official US policy on the day President Kennedy died.

It's quite simple, Bfgrn...were any troops withdrawn under John F. Kennedy's Administration and if so who and when? Until you can show me where Kennedy actually DID draw down troops then all you've got to back up your contentions are the statements of people deeply involved in perpetuating the Kennedy "myth".

 

[Oldstyle]

WOW, you really are a septic piece of shit aren't you.

Vacuous? Jackie Kennedy not only knew about Jack's womanizing, she tried to get him back by having affairs with William Holden and Fiat founder Gianni Agnelli.

So having affairs makes Jackie Kennedy "less" vacuous? Interesting concept...

It makes her human.

We all can't be saints.

Like conservatives.

It might make her human but doesn't change a thing as far as her being vacuous is concerned. Have any of you ever listened to interviews with Jackie Kennedy? She is the epitome of vacuous!

 

[Oldstyle]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN_rzm60cQI]Jacqueline Kennedy: In Her Own Words - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Bfgrn]

No, because I post and try to work with the ignorant and they are to ignorant to admit when proven wrong. So why bother, you prove how ignorant, intolerant and hateful you are with every post. No need to help you out.

Translation...game, set match Bfgrn...


FACTS:

On October 2, 1963, President Kennedy made clear his determination to implement those plans—to withdraw 1,000 troops by the end of 1963, and to get almost all the rest out by the end of 1965. There followed, on October 4, a memorandum titled “South Vietnam Actions” from General Maxwell Taylor to his fellow Joint Chiefs of Staff, Generals May, Wheeler, Shoup, and Admiral McDonald, that reads:

b. The program currently in progress to train Vietnamese forces will be reviewed and accelerated as necessary to insure that all essential functions visualized to be required for the projected operational environment, to include those now performed by U.S. military units and personnel, can be assumed properly by the Vietnamese by the end of calendar year 1965. All planning will be directed towards preparing RVN forces for the withdrawal of all U.S. special assistance units and personnel by the end of calendar year 1965. (Emphasis added.)

“All planning” is an unconditional phrase. There is no contingency here, or elsewhere in this memorandum. The next paragraph reads:

c. Execute the plan to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963 per your DTG 212201Z July, and as approved for planning by JCS DTG 062042Z September. Previous guidance on the public affairs annex is altered to the extent that the action will now be treated in low key, as the initial increment of U.S. forces whose presence is no longer required because (a) Vietnamese forces have been trained to assume the function involved; or (b) the function for which they came to Vietnam has been completed. (Emphasis added.)

THIS was the official US policy on the day President Kennedy died.

It's quite simple, Bfgrn...were any troops withdrawn under John F. Kennedy's Administration and if so who and when? Until you can show me where Kennedy actually DID draw down troops then all you've got to back up your contentions are the statements of people deeply involved in perpetuating the Kennedy "myth".

I will make even more simple...show me JFK lived to the end of 1963.

Then, please tell me what the official policy was the day Kennedy died. And no obfuscation, just the cold hard facts.

 

[Bfgrn]

Jacqueline Kennedy: In Her Own Words - YouTube

A 'vacuous' woman wouldn't be capable of defining their relationship as "Victorian or Asiatic"

 

[Oldstyle]

Kennedy DIDN'T live the to the end of 1963! He also didn't withdraw any troops in 1963! What YOU have is people who are heavily invested in the Kennedy "myth" putting forth a narrative of what they think he would have done if he wasn't killed...a narrative that is solely based on the plan Kennedy had drawn up before the fall of the Diem brothers and the realization that South Vietnam was in no way able to go it alone. Johnson continued the Kennedy agenda in Vietnam! That wasn't troop withdrawals...it was a steady increase in the number of troops being sent there.

You want the "cold hard facts"? The only President that withdrew troops from Vietnam was Richard Nixon.

 

[Oldstyle]

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[Oldstyle]

Jacqueline Kennedy: In Her Own Words - YouTube

A 'vacuous' woman wouldn't be capable of defining their relationship as "Victorian or Asiatic"

A "vacuous" woman would make statements like "Where do I get my opinions? From my husband of course!"

I'm sorry but that film piece paints Jackie Kennedy as "arm candy" without a brain in her pretty little head.

 

[Bfgrn]

Kennedy DIDN'T live the to the end of 1963! He also didn't withdraw any troops in 1963! What YOU have is people who are heavily invested in the Kennedy "myth" putting forth a narrative of what they think he would have done if he wasn't killed...a narrative that is solely based on the plan Kennedy had drawn up before the fall of the Diem brothers and the realization that South Vietnam was in no way able to go it alone. Johnson continued the Kennedy agenda in Vietnam! That wasn't troop withdrawals...it was a steady increase in the number of troops being sent there.

You want the "cold hard facts"? The only President that withdrew troops from Vietnam was Richard Nixon.

Dishonest. You are telling us about you, not JFK.

These are not 'op-ed' pieces, they are official policy records.

20 Nov 1963 - Honolulu Meeting Briefing Book, Part I. See also Part II.
The briefing books prepared for a Vietnam meeting in Honolulu reaffirmed the timetables for complete withdrawal from Vietnam, as well as the initial 1,000 main withdrawal, despite the recent coup in Vietnam.

24 Nov 1963 - Memorandum for the Record of a Meeting, Executive Office Building, Washington, November 24, 1963, 3 p.m.
Within two days of President Kennedy's death, on Sunday afternoon, President Johnson already began receiving advice that "we could not at this point or time give a particularly optimistic appraisal of the future" regarding Vietnam. President Johnson expressed dissatisfaction with the present course and particularly its emphasis on social reforms, and stated that "He was anxious to get along, win the war..."