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---When stores and stadiums are empty and our cities look like ghost towns, consumer spending—the lifeblood of the economy—will lessen by hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars. The implosion in spending will lead to millions of fewer jobs, to even less spending—a downward spiral with no obvious end in sight.---

Just do what our moms did when one kid had chicken pox, expose it to everyone and get it over with. We can't afford to let Democrats ruin our economy.

How many lives are you personally willing to sacrifice for Trump? Give us a hard number. Which of your relatives or loved ones will you give over to appease your god?

what a fricken stupid thing to say. and coming from the party that supports the killing of millions of unborn humans every year (and the vast majority of them are minority children) the party of tolerance , right?

90% of people who get corona will either not know they have it or will have very mild symptoms. Those who die are those who have other major health issues or compromised immune systems.

tell us, how many of those people would have died anyway? don't know do you? But to get an accurate count of the corona mortality rate we need that number.
We need to take the remains from some of those who pass on with health issues and study the heck out of their bodies for reasons beyond the known.
And when it turns out they died because they caught this virus? What will your excuse be then? Why not just accept that this is a deadly disease that is overwhelming our healthcare system?
 

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Should we shut things down again from November to March to decrease the number that die from the flu? Ten's of thousands of lives can be saved.

There is a middle ground to be found. Hiding under a rock for six months is not the solution.
Does everyone get the flu at the same time, overwhelming hospitals, healthcare workers and protective equipment? COVID does.
So its okay to allow tens of thousands to die with the flu when shutting things down would prevent much of the spread and save lives ....as long as our hospitals, healthcare workers and ppe(s) are not overwhelmed.
 

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---When stores and stadiums are empty and our cities look like ghost towns, consumer spending—the lifeblood of the economy—will lessen by hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars. The implosion in spending will lead to millions of fewer jobs, to even less spending—a downward spiral with no obvious end in sight.---

Just do what our moms did when one kid had chicken pox, expose it to everyone and get it over with. We can't afford to let Democrats ruin our economy.

How many lives are you personally willing to sacrifice for Trump? Give us a hard number. Which of your relatives or loved ones will you give over to appease your god?

what a fricken stupid thing to say. and coming from the party that supports the killing of millions of unborn humans every year (and the vast majority of them are minority children) the party of tolerance , right?

90% of people who get corona will either not know they have it or will have very mild symptoms. Those who die are those who have other major health issues or compromised immune systems.

tell us, how many of those people would have died anyway? don't know do you? But to get an accurate count of the corona mortality rate we need that number.
We need to take the remains from some of those who pass on with health issues and study the heck out of their bodies for reasons beyond the known.
And when it turns out they died because they caught this virus? What will your excuse be then? Why not just accept that this is a deadly disease that is overwhelming our healthcare system?
Why don't you accept that we should open things back up as soon as possible....that is to say as soon as our healthcare system will not be overwhelmed. Don't keep the country shut down for 3 months if 4 weeks will do. At some point, someone will need to analysis the numbers and make a judgement call.
 

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We used to quarantine sick people. Now we quarantine people who are not sick. Welcome to Utopia.
It's because the USA Fd up, and did not have enough tests, to know who to Quarantine.


Thus trying to shelter in place, everyone.

THAT would not be the case, if we began testing in January.

All the what ifs in the world can't change the fact....
Are you listening to yourself?

How can you have tests for something completely new and unknown? You'd think that test is available immediately when new disease strike?

How can you begin testing in January when China, place where this shit started was covering up their own outbreak like it didn't happen?

Go back and look at your posts from February (I just did), and you'll notice that you didn't even talk about Coronavirus before mid month.
The WHO had a test created from the RNA profile released by the Chinese of the virus on January 10th, one week later, for Countries to use..... it was actually just 4 days, not e even a week.... countries could get the test specifics from them, then find pharmaceutical companies to make it for them. We passed on it, and for some reason decided that we wanted to design our own test, that included testing for covid and Sars instead of just COVID..... our created test ended up being a dud, it failed to work.... it took too much time to figure out it was a dud.... by the time they created a new test, all the components to make the test, were bought up by all the countries in the world who had a test early.

We still do not have all the components and reagents to make the tests we need, 2 and a half months later, than the WHO....And are limiting who can even get a test....

(H1N1 had a test in 3 days.)

Which has put us in the dire situation we are in with the virus and our financial woes.
And again, another leftist lie.

We did not rejected tests from WHO, as you leftists are claiming, they were not offered to US but to countries that doesn't have virology lab power that widely exists across the United States.

Liars gonna lie, no matter what.
The test profile was available for any country that wanted it, to make their own test kits from it.

They did not produce the test kits, they offered the specifics for their developed test based on the RNA profile given to the world by the Chinese on January 10th....

We never asked the WHO for their developed test specifics, we for some reason, wanted to develop our own.... which ended up being a failure.

We still would have had to manufacture the test kits, even from the WHO's developed test... but if we had gotten the WHO's developed test on January 15th, we could have secured the components and reagents needed for the test, early on, before the pharmaceuticals ran out from all the other countries buying them up... creating a test for a virus like this or influenza takes just a few days, it's getting it produced that we are struggling with.
South Korea ordered test kits in January as well as medical supplies and equipment needed to fight the virus. We had the same information they had we had same number of cornavirus cases in January, one. South Korea reduced the total number of cases from their peak in March by 33%. For the same period, the total number of cases in the US have increased by 850%. How come?
 

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---When stores and stadiums are empty and our cities look like ghost towns, consumer spending—the lifeblood of the economy—will lessen by hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars. The implosion in spending will lead to millions of fewer jobs, to even less spending—a downward spiral with no obvious end in sight.---

Just do what our moms did when one kid had chicken pox, expose it to everyone and get it over with. We can't afford to let Democrats ruin our economy.

The Mark of AntiChrist can’t be far behind if this continues. Digital Currency, Digital ID
 

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---When stores and stadiums are empty and our cities look like ghost towns, consumer spending—the lifeblood of the economy—will lessen by hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars. The implosion in spending will lead to millions of fewer jobs, to even less spending—a downward spiral with no obvious end in sight.---

Just do what our moms did when one kid had chicken pox, expose it to everyone and get it over with. We can't afford to let Democrats ruin our economy.

How many lives are you personally willing to sacrifice for Trump? Give us a hard number. Which of your relatives or loved ones will you give over to appease your god?
We sacrificed over 18,000 for your precious Obama. We have lost about 500 and killed the economy. Tell me, what you gonna do when the government runs out of money because no one is working?
Your messiah was too much of a fucking coward to go to Nam but now he wants people to return to work risking their lives to save the wealth of his cronies, his golf courses & his reelection. Eat shit, Trumptard.
 

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---When stores and stadiums are empty and our cities look like ghost towns, consumer spending—the lifeblood of the economy—will lessen by hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars. The implosion in spending will lead to millions of fewer jobs, to even less spending—a downward spiral with no obvious end in sight.---

Just do what our moms did when one kid had chicken pox, expose it to everyone and get it over with. We can't afford to let Democrats ruin our economy.

Our economy will be fine in the mediocre way it was going to be anyway. At least now Trump has an excuse for his recession that truly is not his fault.
 

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Dotard was asked today how he plans on preventing people crossing over from high risk areas into low risk areas. He was dumbstruck, whacked in the forehead by a two by four in the form of a question asked by someone with a brain. Of course he then resorted to answering with his usual boilerplate response because he's an idiot.
 

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I want to see Sean Hannity do a live remote broadcast at high noon on Times Square with Trump as his special guest once he lifts the restrictions to see if their chickenshit asses can back up their bulldog mouths.
 
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---When stores and stadiums are empty and our cities look like ghost towns, consumer spending—the lifeblood of the economy—will lessen by hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars. The implosion in spending will lead to millions of fewer jobs, to even less spending—a downward spiral with no obvious end in sight.---

Just do what our moms did when one kid had chicken pox, expose it to everyone and get it over with. We can't afford to let Democrats ruin our economy.

How many lives are you personally willing to sacrifice for Trump? Give us a hard number. Which of your relatives or loved ones will you give over to appease your god?

what a fricken stupid thing to say. and coming from the party that supports the killing of millions of unborn humans every year (and the vast majority of them are minority children) the party of tolerance , right?

90% of people who get corona will either not know they have it or will have very mild symptoms. Those who die are those who have other major health issues or compromised immune systems.

tell us, how many of those people would have died anyway? don't know do you? But to get an accurate count of the corona mortality rate we need that number.
We need to take the remains from some of those who pass on with health issues and study the heck out of their bodies for reasons beyond the known.
And when it turns out they died because they caught this virus? What will your excuse be then? Why not just accept that this is a deadly disease that is overwhelming our healthcare system?
Why don't you accept that we should open things back up as soon as possible....that is to say as soon as our healthcare system will not be overwhelmed. Don't keep the country shut down for 3 months if 4 weeks will do. At some point, someone will need to analysis the numbers and make a judgement call.
How long the shutdowns should last depends on the virus, not the employment rate, Dow Jones Average, the election, or corporate profits.

To eliminate the virus, we need 60% to 80% immunity in the population. Immunity comes from, natural immunity, those that have recovered from the virus, and a vaccine all of which are unknown. Estimates as to when the country would reach that level of immunity goes from 1 year to 3 years. No one wants to hear this, but that's what you have to do to eliminate the virus. However there is another alternative.

We should see within weeks or a few months decreasing numbers of new cases, and hospitals returning to something closer to normal. As summer approaches, we should also see a seasonal drop in cases. And with the falling number of new cases, we should see our jobs coming back and businesses getting back to normal. Of course this will come at different times because each governor will make the decision for his or her state. However, don't expect the old normal. People are not going to be booking cruises, scheduling trips to Europe, attending giant music festivals, crowed beaches, etc because this period will only be a short respite from the storm to come.

In the fall, rising numbers of cases and the seasonal nature of the virus will increase new cases and with it will come more restriction. Hopefully by then they will be more targeted and less a burden on the economy. We could go through several years of this but eventually a vaccine will be available along with antivirals to treat the virus. Then things will return to old normal.

The choices are a bite the bullet now and keep the country shutdown till the level of immunity stops the virus or a second choice, which is more likely, a series of shutdowns with brief respites until we are able to defeat the virus. It's a pay me now or pay me later situation.
 
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our fathers won WWII, we can do the same, folks!

well, actually, my dad really cost us a coupla...

he was the Bulge in The Battle Of The Bulge
 

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---When stores and stadiums are empty and our cities look like ghost towns, consumer spending—the lifeblood of the economy—will lessen by hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars. The implosion in spending will lead to millions of fewer jobs, to even less spending—a downward spiral with no obvious end in sight.---

Just do what our moms did when one kid had chicken pox, expose it to everyone and get it over with. We can't afford to let Democrats ruin our economy.

How many lives are you personally willing to sacrifice for Trump? Give us a hard number. Which of your relatives or loved ones will you give over to appease your god?

what a fricken stupid thing to say. and coming from the party that supports the killing of millions of unborn humans every year (and the vast majority of them are minority children) the party of tolerance , right?

90% of people who get corona will either not know they have it or will have very mild symptoms. Those who die are those who have other major health issues or compromised immune systems.

tell us, how many of those people would have died anyway? don't know do you? But to get an accurate count of the corona mortality rate we need that number.
We need to take the remains from some of those who pass on with health issues and study the heck out of their bodies for reasons beyond the known.
And when it turns out they died because they caught this virus? What will your excuse be then? Why not just accept that this is a deadly disease that is overwhelming our healthcare system?
Why don't you accept that we should open things back up as soon as possible....that is to say as soon as our healthcare system will not be overwhelmed. Don't keep the country shut down for 3 months if 4 weeks will do. At some point, someone will need to analysis the numbers and make a judgement call.
How long the shutdowns should last depends on the virus, not the employment rate, Dow Jones Average, the election, or corporate profits.

To eliminate the virus, we need 60% to 80% immunity in the population. Immunity comes from, natural immunity, those that have recovered from the virus, and a vaccine all of which are unknown. Estimates as to when the country would reach that level of immunity goes from 1 year to 3 years. No one wants to hear this, but that's what you have to do to eliminate the virus. However there is another alternative.

We should see within weeks or a few months decreasing numbers of new cases, and hospitals returning to something closer to normal. As summer approaches, we should also see a seasonal drop in cases. And with the falling number of new cases, we should see our jobs coming back and businesses getting back to normal. However, don't expect the old normal. People are not going to be booking cruises, scheduling trips to Europe, attending giant music festivals, crowed beaches, etc because this period will only be a short respite from the storm to come.

In the fall, rising numbers of cases and the seasonal nature of the virus will increase new cases and with it will come more restriction. Hopefully by then they will be more targeted an less a burden on the economy. We could go through several years of this but eventually a vaccine will be available along with antivirals to treat the virus. Then things will return to old normal.

The choices are a bite the bullet and keep the country shutdown till the level of immunity stops the virus. The second choice, which is more likely will be a series shutdowns with brief respites until we are able to defeat the virus. It's a pay me now or pay me later situation.
No one goes back to work for three years?

You are utterly insane.
 

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South Korea ordered test kits in January as well as medical supplies and equipment needed to fight the virus. We had the same information they had we had same number of cornavirus cases in January, one. South Korea reduced the total number of cases from their peak in March by 33%. For the same period, the total number of cases in the US have increased by 850%. How come?
Because we have a much bigger population and have done more testing. Why don't you compare relative death rates?
 

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We used to quarantine sick people. Now we quarantine people who are not sick. Welcome to Utopia.
It's because the USA Fd up, and did not have enough tests, to know who to Quarantine.


Thus trying to shelter in place, everyone.

THAT would not be the case, if we began testing in January.

All the what ifs in the world can't change the fact....
Are you listening to yourself?

How can you have tests for something completely new and unknown? You'd think that test is available immediately when new disease strike?

How can you begin testing in January when China, place where this shit started was covering up their own outbreak like it didn't happen?

Go back and look at your posts from February (I just did), and you'll notice that you didn't even talk about Coronavirus before mid month.
Had we traced down all contacts during the first few months and quarantined them, limited all foreign travel to the US, and had test kits that actually worked, we would not be isolating the general public today. The blame lies with the current and previous administrations for not listening the CDC, the WHO, and numerous epidemiologists who told us that America was not prepared for a pandemic.
 

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We used to quarantine sick people. Now we quarantine people who are not sick. Welcome to Utopia.
It's because the USA Fd up, and did not have enough tests, to know who to Quarantine.


Thus trying to shelter in place, everyone.

THAT would not be the case, if we began testing in January.

All the what ifs in the world can't change the fact....
Are you listening to yourself?

How can you have tests for something completely new and unknown? You'd think that test is available immediately when new disease strike?

How can you begin testing in January when China, place where this shit started was covering up their own outbreak like it didn't happen?

Go back and look at your posts from February (I just did), and you'll notice that you didn't even talk about Coronavirus before mid month.
Had we traced down all contacts during the first few months and quarantined them, limited all foreign travel to the US, and had test kits that actually worked, we would not be isolating the general public today. The blame lies with the current and previous administrations for not listening the CDC, the WHO, and numerous epidemiologists who told us that America was not prepared for a pandemic.
This is something I could agree with you to some degree.

First of, to be clear, WHO did not offered test kits to US. Second, when Trump issued travel ban from China and Europe, left accused him of racism, premature panic, etc. For those things, left actually can't say anything, because he was right, and they look like morons. Hid did good, and left ridiculed him for it, now they're criticizing him for not doing more?

Now about tests. WHO issued the statement on Jan 14, 2020 that China found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of coronavirus. No reason to panic, right? Well, panic did hit us in January and officials at the FDA and CDC stymied private and academic development of diagnostic tests while pushing defective government tests. Then U.S. government stopped Seattle’s Dr. Helen Chu from testing for coronavirus because Chu’s lab "was not certified as clinical lab under regulations established by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid services". It was not until March 17 that the FDA first gave emergency approval to any private company to distribute non-government tests to hospitals. Not to mention that to date, the agency still prohibits distribution to private citizens. For that, you cannot blame Trump neither, because that is nature of bureaucracy that Trump is actually trying to downsize or eliminate, and he can't do it alone, or without Congress.

Those the same bureaucrats have always sought to monopolize all testing within government (and gov't certified hospitals), and that caused deaths of thousands, if not tens of thousands over time. Just to give you an example. You know that AIDS/HIV was present in US for more than three decades, and despite there were test available, only in 2012 U.S. government finally permitted a private, at-home, HIV test. Prior to that, the stigma of that disease undoubtedly kept hundreds of thousands from getting tested at government-controlled clinics. Thousands undoubtedly died as a result, because they didn't tested or they tested too late.

Or another example, government has also banned production of non-approved protective masks until manufacturers submit detailed applications to the CDC’s NIOSH office. Meanwhile government inspectors are grounded from travel to inspect the manufacturing facilities. Why? And especially why in the time of crisis?

President have huge powers, but he can't resolve every problem with a "phone and a pen". U.S has actually followed the Chinese model of COVID-19 response to the letter. Just as in China, American officials enforced regulations which stalled and obstructed all efforts by private, local or academic medical experts to test or report on the virus, and then overreacted to public concerns by implementing Orwellian measures to illustrate the government’s supposed control. But that's another subject.
 

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South Korea ordered test kits in January as well as medical supplies and equipment needed to fight the virus. We had the same information they had we had same number of cornavirus cases in January, one. South Korea reduced the total number of cases from their peak in March by 33%. For the same period, the total number of cases in the US have increased by 850%. How come?
Because we have a much bigger population and have done more testing. Why don't you compare relative death rates?
No! Both countries had only 1 case in January when South Korea ordered test kits and supplies needed to stop the virus. The US did nether. South Korea blocked travel from Italy and other countries with increasing numbers of cases. The US did so only weeks later. China with population of 4 times the US, has stopped the virus in 4 months. The size of the country is relevant only to the preparation and planning for the next epidemic. The US had far greater resources than South Korea, yet it was far less prepared simply because it choose to use those resources elsewhere. Now the country will pay the price.

Although Trump is certainly to blame for ignoring everybody from the World Health Organization, the CDC, the AMA, Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness and even a report that came out of Homeland Security last year, however he is not totally to blame. US presidents have never heeded the warnings of a pandemic, not Reagan, not Clinton, not Bush, and not Obama.
 

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---When stores and stadiums are empty and our cities look like ghost towns, consumer spending—the lifeblood of the economy—will lessen by hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars. The implosion in spending will lead to millions of fewer jobs, to even less spending—a downward spiral with no obvious end in sight.---

Just do what our moms did when one kid had chicken pox, expose it to everyone and get it over with. We can't afford to let Democrats ruin our economy.

This is not about Trump's re-election ! it is about the survival of the United States as a nation. The US cannot stand an extended shutdown. As stated many times this is a war.
Guess what people die in wars. this is a massive shutdown, not sure we will ever get back to normal but we have to try and the sooner the better. Remember that 99.97% of the US population is unaffected by this virus
Date
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Cases
85996​
Deaths
1300​
Mortality
1.51%​
Survival
98.49%​
Pop Affected
0.0261117%​
Unaffected
99.97389%​
 

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We used to quarantine sick people. Now we quarantine people who are not sick. Welcome to Utopia.
It's because the USA Fd up, and did not have enough tests, to know who to Quarantine.


Thus trying to shelter in place, everyone.

THAT would not be the case, if we began testing in January.

All the what ifs in the world can't change the fact....
Are you listening to yourself?

How can you have tests for something completely new and unknown? You'd think that test is available immediately when new disease strike?

How can you begin testing in January when China, place where this shit started was covering up their own outbreak like it didn't happen?

Go back and look at your posts from February (I just did), and you'll notice that you didn't even talk about Coronavirus before mid month.
Had we traced down all contacts during the first few months and quarantined them, limited all foreign travel to the US, and had test kits that actually worked, we would not be isolating the general public today. The blame lies with the current and previous administrations for not listening the CDC, the WHO, and numerous epidemiologists who told us that America was not prepared for a pandemic.
This is something I could agree with you to some degree.

First of, to be clear, WHO did not offered test kits to US. Second, when Trump issued travel ban from China and Europe, left accused him of racism, premature panic, etc. For those things, left actually can't say anything, because he was right, and they look like morons. Hid did good, and left ridiculed him for it, now they're criticizing him for not doing more?

Now about tests. WHO issued the statement on Jan 14, 2020 that China found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of coronavirus. No reason to panic, right? Well, panic did hit us in January and officials at the FDA and CDC stymied private and academic development of diagnostic tests while pushing defective government tests. Then U.S. government stopped Seattle’s Dr. Helen Chu from testing for coronavirus because Chu’s lab "was not certified as clinical lab under regulations established by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid services". It was not until March 17 that the FDA first gave emergency approval to any private company to distribute non-government tests to hospitals. Not to mention that to date, the agency still prohibits distribution to private citizens. For that, you cannot blame Trump neither, because that is nature of bureaucracy that Trump is actually trying to downsize or eliminate, and he can't do it alone, or without Congress.

Those the same bureaucrats have always sought to monopolize all testing within government (and gov't certified hospitals), and that caused deaths of thousands, if not tens of thousands over time. Just to give you an example. You know that AIDS/HIV was present in US for more than three decades, and despite there were test available, only in 2012 U.S. government finally permitted a private, at-home, HIV test. Prior to that, the stigma of that disease undoubtedly kept hundreds of thousands from getting tested at government-controlled clinics. Thousands undoubtedly died as a result, because they didn't tested or they tested too late.

Or another example, government has also banned production of non-approved protective masks until manufacturers submit detailed applications to the CDC’s NIOSH office. Meanwhile government inspectors are grounded from travel to inspect the manufacturing facilities. Why? And especially why in the time of crisis?

President have huge powers, but he can't resolve every problem with a "phone and a pen". U.S has actually followed the Chinese model of COVID-19 response to the letter. Just as in China, American officials enforced regulations which stalled and obstructed all efforts by private, local or academic medical experts to test or report on the virus, and then overreacted to public concerns by implementing Orwellian measures to illustrate the government’s supposed control. But that's another subject.
On January 17, WHO published a protocol from German researchers with the instructions necessary for any country to manufacture coronavirus tests. The information was available to the US and other countries. The United States doesn't ordinarily rely on WHO for tests because the US typically has the capacity to manufacture its own diagnostics. The US did not request kits from the WHO. Instead they preceded to manufacture their own and for whatever reason many kits were flawed and gave erroneous results. The CDC ran short of chemicals it needed which was another delay. Finally kits started to become available, however the CDC procedures were out of date and made it nearly impossible to get tests done in timely manner. In short the CDC was unprepared just as other parts of the government.

By the time the CDC was producing reliable kits in March, the virus was beyond control using tracking and quarantine. The only viable plan was social distancing which is where we are now. In short, the US actions leading up to social distancing was a true cluster fuck. There was no real plan for dealing with a pandemic. Homeland Security's Inventory of needed supplies and equipment was only a fraction of what was required. FEMA plans to deal with an epidemic was to borrow supplies from other areas. They simple never considered that the equipment and supplies might be needed by many places in the country.

If you look at the timetable on virus in the US beginning Jan 1, you will see the CDC, Homeland Security, and the White House were forming committees, hiring advisers, inventory supplies, and designating responsibility. There were discussions ranging from what the states vs the federal should be doing to what the capabilities were in various states. All this should have been worked out long ago. As I said, it's not all Trump's fault. Previous presidents for many years have ignored the need to prepare for a pandemic.
 
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