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Definitely the realm of philosophy. I believe we exist in the mind of God. That everything is information and the only thing that is "real" so to speak is time itself. Which is a change in how I used to think which was that time didn't exist at all. That time was just a convenient measure to demarcate the expansion of the universe.

The nearly equal amounts of matter and anti-matter which the universe was created from came from paired particle production which is explained in the link I provided.
Here's part of where I'm coming from ....
One can't get Something from Nothing.
Would seem therefore that all Creation would come from the substance of the Creator. And if the Creator is Eternal, than all It Creates would also be Eternal, in one form or another.
We as individual beings/souls would also be from/of the substance of the Creator. Like cells in a larger body. Hence we~souls would also be Eternal.
 
To expand ...
Actually it's a way of claiming "things" have always existed(been created), but could have been in other forms, and might again be in other forms.

Not intending to play semantics, but it's my variation on the concept/theme of the OP.

A perspective/position that everything has to have "been created" even "God" does beg the question,"What was before that?"

I was born and raised in the Christian religion and the concept of eternal consequences for one lifetime's actions didn't resonate well with me, on two counts.

1) How can "things" have a finite beginning/start point and then go on forever, never an end point ? It seems to me the definition of eternity is "no beginning, no end" so there must have been something before "creation", before the Big Bang. With the Big Bang essentially starting a process of matter converting to energy, it would seem logical that once nearly everything is energy, some other process might be set off, hence the Big (Complete ?) Collapse, perhaps back into The Singularity.

"Creation" then becomes another term, expression for change in structure~substance~nature~whatever. Creation is now one of many various events that occur in the cycle of existence.

2) If killing another person, murder, is a "Mortal Sin" that results in "Eternal Damnation in Hell", how is it that the same consequence(reward) is handed out for more than one murder ??? Shouldn't someone like Adolph Hitler, responsible for millions of deaths/murders have a consequence proportionate to the deed ????

This is where I settled on the concept of karma, where consequences of actions are proportional to deeds done. Kill one person you then have a next lifetime where you are receiving a similar experience in that lifetime, being murdered by someone else. Kill a million people and you will have to experience a million similar deaths in a million future lifetimes.

This to me seems the more reasonable, balanced "reaction to an action"; consequence of deed(s) done.

This chain of thought/reasoning/logic then leads to a third aspect, that since one can't get something from nothing, everything in existence is made of, from the substance of the "Creator". Hence what is meant when one says that;
3) "God is everything; everything is God".

Which implies the Creator is neither Good nor Evil, but both. Or "created" both Good and Evil, which are expressions of a Universe that is made of polarities. Which could be one way of explaining why there are so many religions and "types" of "God".

Also, thinking on this/these concepts can give one a headache.
"Where did it come from?" ~ Itself
;)
 
^^^^^ The above from a recent posting in another thread.
 
Here's part of where I'm coming from ....
One can't get Something from Nothing.
Technically, the current science isn't saying something from nothing. It is saying that the nearly equal parts of matter and anti-matter that created the universe, didn't come from pre-existing matter and energy. So two different things. The closest parallel to this that I can think of is dark energy which is being "added" or "created" as space expands. That dark energy - which exists in a probability state - is "added" or "created" which is what is keeping the universe expanding at an accelerated pace. At least that's how I understand what the scientists are claiming about dark energy anyway.

So the paired particles of matter and anti-matter which created the universe, didn't come from nothing but they weren't existing like matter and energy as we know it. That whatever the universe is expanding into contained it but it existed as potential or in a quantum probability state.

Would seem therefore that all Creation would come from the substance of the Creator. And if the Creator is Eternal, than all It Creates would also be Eternal, in one form or another.
Maybe, but I'm not sure that that is true. I don't believe the universe was created from the substance of the Creator. I don't believe the painting is the painter. And I am not certain one can say that if the Creator is Eternal, then all it creates would also be eternal, in one form or another. What I do know is that the science says the universe is eternal into the future but at some point it will experience a heat death. Which is a fancy way of saying there won't be any energy to perform work. Gravity and orbits will technically still exist in the heat death of the universe, but they will become practically irrelevant as matter spreads infinitely thin, leading to a cold, dark, static state where no meaningful work, interactions, or structure formation occurs, effectively ending dynamic processes like orbits, though black holes slowly evaporate over unimaginable timescales, leaving only sparse fundamental particles.

We as individual beings/souls would also be from/of the substance of the Creator. Like cells in a larger body. Hence we~souls would also be Eternal.
That's not how I see it exactly. I believe we are creatures of the Creator. Are our souls eternal? I believe so. I believe we are spiritual beings experiencing a material existence. That the flesh is of no avail.
 
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This video brings up some fascinating points to consider, for believers and for non-believers alike.

Nonsense doesnt answer the question in fact avoids the question because it cant be answered. There is no wisdom here. IT advocates Christianity which uses the threat of eternal suffering if you dont believe in Jesus. Sure that god of love and peace. Thats a god of punitive cruelty
 
A perspective/position that everything has to have "been created" even "God" does beg the question,"What was before that?"
I'm not a fan of the ever cascading sequence of what came before that. It seems illogical to me. It can't be "turtles all the way down" if you know that reference.

I believe that there is an uncaused first cause which I call God or existence. Existence is what exists. Nature is how it exists. We know the laws of nature existed before space because space and time were created because space and time were created according to the laws of nature. So if nature describes existence and the laws of nature existed before space and time, then it is logical to believe existence or God existed before space and time.
 
Nonsense doesnt answer the question in fact avoids the question because it cant be answered. There is no wisdom here. IT advocates Christianity which uses the threat of eternal suffering if you dont believe in Jesus. Sure that god of love and peace. Thats a god of punitive cruelty
I just love it when a rival religion lies about their rivals. :rolleyes:
 
Nonsense doesnt answer the question in fact avoids the question because it cant be answered. There is no wisdom here. IT advocates Christianity which uses the threat of eternal suffering if you dont believe in Jesus. Sure that god of love and peace. Thats a god of punitive cruelty
So is Hitler going to get the same fate as you?
 
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