OPINION: Being black means constantly rendering yourself unthreatening to white people

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

There is a basic expectation of behavior in public spaces

“Inside voice” is a common thought

If groups of blacks are roudy, profane and aggressive it creats the image of a threat

Tha's what you think is going on?

I attended a rally on the capitol grounds in Olympia in December 2014 and then participated in a Black Lives Matter march in downtown Seattle in January 2015. SPD was on scene in what appeared to be full riot gear but there were officers on bicycles who escorted us as we marched.

The rally in Olympia in contrast had about 700 - 1000 attendees most of whom were openly armed. There were two WA State patrol vehicles on the premises that I saw and that was pretty much it. I saw a handful of black people there.

So why would almost a 1000 white people carrying guns not be of more concern than a couple of hundred black people marching and carrying signs?

 

[IM2]

I'm black. I know what black people do. I also know that whites do the same things.

Just being honest with you

It is not a case of blacks being picked on unfairly. As a group, blacks are more likely to “let it loose” in public. You need to pick up on social clues. If everyone around you is being quiet and respectful......you need to do the same.

You are not being honest. Both races do the same thing.

Then you have nothing to worry about, do you?

I'm concerned how lies like you speak are allowed to be tread as fact in our society and how these lies make life dangerous for people of color.

I defend blacks as much as anyone on this board

I just happen to believe the OP is wrong in its opinions of black behavior in public. My observation is that blacks need to work harder on how they behave in public and how they are perceived. Yes, whites are intimidated by blacks. When groups of blacks are loud, profane, pushing and shoving...it only reinforces that perception

Your defense of backs gives you no extra points when you are wrong. My opinion as a black person is that whites need to worry more about their own behavior and quit trying to tell us how we should live. We are no more or less rowdy in public than whites.

 

[rightwinger]

Just being honest with you

It is not a case of blacks being picked on unfairly. As a group, blacks are more likely to “let it loose” in public. You need to pick up on social clues. If everyone around you is being quiet and respectful......you need to do the same.

You are not being honest. Both races do the same thing.

Then you have nothing to worry about, do you?

I'm concerned how lies like you speak are allowed to be tread as fact in our society and how these lies make life dangerous for people of color.

I defend blacks as much as anyone on this board

I just happen to believe the OP is wrong in its opinions of black behavior in public. My observation is that blacks need to work harder on how they behave in public and how they are perceived. Yes, whites are intimidated by blacks. When groups of blacks are loud, profane, pushing and shoving...it only reinforces that perception

Your defense of backs gives you no extra points when you are wrong. My opinion as a black person is that whites need to worry more about their own behavior and quit trying to tell us how we should live. We are no more or less rowdy in public than whites.

Blacks also need to look inward at how the their actions impact how they get treated

 

[BlackSand]

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You have not EVER provided anything here that supports what you claim, yet there are is a plethora of information that supports the fact white females have benefitted from Affirmative Action......more than any other demographic.

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Do you think the fact white women benefiting from Affirmative Action more than other minorities is an accident ...

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No

To what do you attribute the fact white women benefit more from Affirmative Action than other minorities?

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[katsteve2012]

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You have not EVER provided anything here that supports what you claim, yet there are is a plethora of information that supports the fact white females have benefitted from Affirmative Action......more than any other demographic.

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Do you think the fact white women benefiting from Affirmative Action more than other minorities is an accident ...

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No

To what do you attribute the fact white women benefit more from Affirmative Action than other minorities?

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Affirmative Action was not signed into law strictly to benefit minorities.

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You have not EVER provided anything here that supports what you claim, yet there are is a plethora of information that supports the fact white females have benefitted from Affirmative Action......more than any other demographic.

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Do you think the fact white women benefiting from Affirmative Action more than other minorities is an accident ...

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No

To what do you attribute the fact white women benefit more from Affirmative Action than other minorities?

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Programs that stemmed from affirmative action designed to ensure gender equality in the workplace. Coupled with the womens rights movement. Also there are more white females than female minorities.

 

[squeeze berry]

We're NOT equal. Blacks have preference over whites by Affirmative Action (job hiring, job promotion, college admissions, college financial aid, business loans, etc, etc)

Anti-white discrimination still runs rampant in 42 states, where AA abomination still is not banned.

Lie. Aren't you Hispanic?

It's NOT a lie. it's a FACT. And yes. I'm 1/2 Hispanic.

News Update: The 8 states that have banned “Affirmitive Action”

it's a shame someone has to declare their minority status, in your case 1/2 minority status, in order to claim they have credentials to discuss anything.

This is how far we have come.

if you are white,you must shut up

 

[BlackSand]

Programs that stemmed from affirmative action designed to ensure gender equality in the workplace. Coupled with the womens rights movement. Also there are more white females than female minorities.

That's a good answer ...

There are more white females than any other minority sub-group ...
So it only stands to reason the white female sub-group would benefit more.

Have you ever looked at the numbers per capita?

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[squeeze berry]

Programs that stemmed from affirmative action designed to ensure gender equality in the workplace. Coupled with the womens rights movement. Also there are more white females than female minorities.

That's a good answer ...

There are more white females than any other minority sub-group ...
So it only stands to reason the white female sub-group would benefit more.

Have you ever looked at the numbers per capita?

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the problem with "minority sub-groups" is that if you add them all together they are the majority.

why can't people be considered individuals rather than members of a sub-group?

 

[BlackSand]

the problem with "minority sub-groups" is that if you add them all together they are the majority.

why can't people be considered individuals rather than members of a sub-group?

I was talking about the statistics people use ... The separations they desire ... And whatever benefit we can gain from that knowledge.

As far as your "individuals" question ... I am an individual whether or not you like it, or want to address it.
My individuality is more broad than most people relate to.

I for one have never wanted to be considered equal to anyone.
I have never wanted to be paid equal to my counterparts ...
And would be than happy earning everything I can bring the market to bear.

I have never let what someone else does or earns be the standard or benchmark for my success.
Still understanding what other people think and why they think it ... Is paramount to managing my expectations of them.

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[katsteve2012]

Programs that stemmed from affirmative action designed to ensure gender equality in the workplace. Coupled with the womens rights movement. Also there are more white females than female minorities.

That's a good answer ...

There are more white females than any other minority sub-group ...
So it only stands to reason the white female sub-group would benefit more.

Have you ever looked at the numbers per capita?

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Thank you and yes I have looked at the per capita numbers. I worked in a white male dominated environment as the ONLY minority in the entire western division, and achieved what I did strictly by delivering results.

I paid my own way to obtain my undergraduate degree, and the company that I worked for paid partially for my graduate pursuits as a condition of being promoted.

The only reason that I even dignified "Protectionist" with a rebuttal is that he completely denies that white females have benefitted more than most groups from AA.

Secondly, "hundreds of millions: of whites" have not been marginalized by the initiative as he claims, because if this was true there would be supporting information out there revealing those facts.

 

[Mike Dwight]

Ha, this is the biggest joke thread out here. "Public spaces" is where the world got to finally see southern racism on their new TVs, where Martin Luther King Jr got to march, where all the blacks wanted to get off farms and hang out in the cities. Public spaces is where the blacks will talk their viewpoint as life itself to the uninvolved listener, make a point of a white date, of enforcing their social opinions, of appearing socially relevant, and what you need to do. MLK Jr. was accused communist with all the rest of them, not done until everything's a public space so called. This is a silly silly thread based on someone else's personal experiences, which I'll use equally. There are no social spaces anymore ignoring a black opinion because its a black opinion, they get to go and go and go and we elected some sort of African anyway on about that same Confused, social consciousness sentiment. I guess 98% blacks vote for a Libyan and we're not going to just round up arrest them? Nice try! Hey what about Rodney King and the 1992 LA Riots , a Cross-Section come on of black America burned down Korean stores, its a Korean American event Sa-I-Gu, the product of extreme post MLK Jr. Black race consciousness! Or Black supremacist Nazis, whatever man.

 

[BlackSand]

Thank you and yes I have looked at the per capita numbers. I worked in a white male dominated environment as the ONLY minority in the entire western division, and achieved what I did strictly by delivering results.

I paid my own way to obtain my undergraduate degree, and the company that I worked for paid partially for my graduate pursuits as a condition of being promoted.

The only reason that I even dignified "Protectionist" with a rebuttal is that he completely denies that white females have benefitted more than most groups from AA.

Secondly, "hundreds of millions: of whites" have not been marginalized by the initiative as he claims, because if this was true there would be supporting information out there revealing those facts.

Bravo Kat ... Keep the hammer down ...

Pfft ... Protectionist and others are interested in the fight.
Most often it is a fight over ground that has already been conquered by those who desired something more.

It's not that I don't appreciate the accomplishments of those who came before me ...
Just that I suppose they wouldn't be so appreciative if I wasted the opportunity to struggle over the same problem, instead of looking forward.

Nothing is fair ... But fairness has nothing to do with continuous improvement.

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[NewsVine_Mariyam]

There are more white females than any other minority sub-group ...
So it only stands to reason the white female sub-group would benefit more.

Have you ever looked at the numbers per capita?

The agency wasn't looking at just numbers, it was looking at increases in opportunities of which white women lead the way in percentage points.

Findings

• The study found that compliance reviews initiated against an establishment in the 1970s significantly increased the share of women and African Americans it employed as managers, not only in the 1970s but also through the 1980s and 1990s. A first compliance review in the 1970s increased the odds of white women in management by an estimated 34 percent, of African American women by 18 percent, and of African American men by 28 percent.
• Compliance reviews initiated in the 1970s led to significantly greater increases in female and African American employment shares than did reviews conducted in the 1980s.
• Larger numbers of lawsuits significantly increased employment shares for women and African Americans.

The entire post is here

 

[BlackSand]

The agency wasn't looking at just numbers, it was looking at increases in opportunities of which white women lead the way in percentage points.

Findings

• The study found that compliance reviews initiated against an establishment in the 1970s significantly increased the share of women and African Americans it employed as managers, not only in the 1970s but also through the 1980s and 1990s. A first compliance review in the 1970s increased the odds of white women in management by an estimated 34 percent, of African American women by 18 percent, and of African American men by 28 percent.
• Compliance reviews initiated in the 1970s led to significantly greater increases in female and African American employment shares than did reviews conducted in the 1980s.
• Larger numbers of lawsuits significantly increased employment shares for women and African Americans.

The entire post is here

Thanks for the link.

There are also numbers you cannot measure on a straight out statistical scale based on results alone.
For instance ... If one sub group attempts to benefit from a program (seeks a job or whatever) higher than another sub-group ...
By default they will have more successes.

Education, access to resources, experience and a plethora of other measures can also apply.

The compliance audit issues and the decrease between the 70's and 80's could be attributed to people just understanding where the new boundaries existed.
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[Unkotare]

Opinion | Joy Reid: Everyday racism is the small, daily reminders that we're still not equal

Joy-Ann Reid Everyday racism in America: Being black means constantly rendering yourself unthreatening to white people
To be white in America is to assume ownership of public spaces. To be black is to live under constant threat of removal.

May.29.2018 / 8:23 PM ET / Updated May.30.2018 / 1:00 PM ET

[snipped]
Thus, being black or brown in America means living under that constant threat of removal. And yet there is really no way to render yourself unthreatening enough to prevent that 911 call. At the same time, you are expected to act grateful for being “allowed” to be here at all (see: Trump suggesting NFL players who kneel during the national anthem should "maybe" be deported). As if we had a choice.

Reversing everyday racism means somehow getting white Americans to recognize and cede this presumption of sole ownership of public spaces, and to see in each person of color an individual humanity. Thankfully, many of our fellow Americans have already embraced this ecumenical idea, as we can see from individual acts of ally-ship. Inside that now infamous Philadelphia Starbucks, for example, white patrons formed a chorus of outrage as police dragged two black men out in handcuffs for doing nothing more than sitting in a shared space.

Importantly, black and brown Americans cannot do this work for their white peers. The work of anti-racism can only take place inside each individual soul, where we all try to grow into better people. There is no national tonic or instant cure.
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Does anyone else know if the rise in these incidents has anything to do with the government encouraging people to "see something say something" and then it turned into something else?

Feel free to render yourself threatening if it makes you feel better.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

We're NOT equal. Blacks have preference over whites by Affirmative Action (job hiring, job promotion, college admissions, college financial aid, business loans, etc, etc)

Anti-white discrimination still runs rampant in 42 states, where AA abomination still is not banned.

BS and you know it. If you are so unhappy with your failures, get off your fat white butt and earn your own way. (Yeah, I'm really sick of lazy ass crackers whining because they think the world owes them an easy ride.

As to the OP - Its not possible to appear nonthreatening because whites can lie and get away with it. Especially cops. We need to demand cops wear body cams that are always turned on. Meanwhile, people need to be ready with their cell cameras and then refuse to hand over the footage to cops.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Opinion | Joy Reid: Everyday racism is the small, daily reminders that we're still not equal

Joy-Ann Reid Everyday racism in America: Being black means constantly rendering yourself unthreatening to white people
To be white in America is to assume ownership of public spaces. To be black is to live under constant threat of removal.

May.29.2018 / 8:23 PM ET / Updated May.30.2018 / 1:00 PM ET

[snipped]
Thus, being black or brown in America means living under that constant threat of removal. And yet there is really no way to render yourself unthreatening enough to prevent that 911 call. At the same time, you are expected to act grateful for being “allowed” to be here at all (see: Trump suggesting NFL players who kneel during the national anthem should "maybe" be deported). As if we had a choice.

Reversing everyday racism means somehow getting white Americans to recognize and cede this presumption of sole ownership of public spaces, and to see in each person of color an individual humanity. Thankfully, many of our fellow Americans have already embraced this ecumenical idea, as we can see from individual acts of ally-ship. Inside that now infamous Philadelphia Starbucks, for example, white patrons formed a chorus of outrage as police dragged two black men out in handcuffs for doing nothing more than sitting in a shared space.

Importantly, black and brown Americans cannot do this work for their white peers. The work of anti-racism can only take place inside each individual soul, where we all try to grow into better people. There is no national tonic or instant cure.
​

Does anyone else know if the rise in these incidents has anything to do with the government encouraging people to "see something say something" and then it turned into something else?

Feel free to render yourself threatening if it makes you feel better.

You know better than that.

 

[yiostheoy]

Opinion | Joy Reid: Everyday racism is the small, daily reminders that we're still not equal

Joy-Ann Reid Everyday racism in America: Being black means constantly rendering yourself unthreatening to white people
To be white in America is to assume ownership of public spaces. To be black is to live under constant threat of removal.

May.29.2018 / 8:23 PM ET / Updated May.30.2018 / 1:00 PM ET

[snipped]
Thus, being black or brown in America means living under that constant threat of removal. And yet there is really no way to render yourself unthreatening enough to prevent that 911 call. At the same time, you are expected to act grateful for being “allowed” to be here at all (see: Trump suggesting NFL players who kneel during the national anthem should "maybe" be deported). As if we had a choice.

Reversing everyday racism means somehow getting white Americans to recognize and cede this presumption of sole ownership of public spaces, and to see in each person of color an individual humanity. Thankfully, many of our fellow Americans have already embraced this ecumenical idea, as we can see from individual acts of ally-ship. Inside that now infamous Philadelphia Starbucks, for example, white patrons formed a chorus of outrage as police dragged two black men out in handcuffs for doing nothing more than sitting in a shared space.

Importantly, black and brown Americans cannot do this work for their white peers. The work of anti-racism can only take place inside each individual soul, where we all try to grow into better people. There is no national tonic or instant cure.
​

Does anyone else know if the rise in these incidents has anything to do with the government encouraging people to "see something say something" and then it turned into something else?

Well I know a negro biker gang leader who tried to assault me about a week ago but he could not catch me. I walk backwards really fast, thanks to basketball in middle and high school.

When the bro then asked me why I was such a coward, I explained to him that state law requires that I first withdraw, and then use my oleoresin capsicum spray on him, before I can use my baton and then shoot him.

I think he probably sh!t his draws.

So not all negroes know their place.

This one didn't.

 

[yiostheoy]

Being white is all about being a good shot with a 45.

And not being stupid enough to get into a fist fight with a rock ape.

 

[Mike Dwight]

yiostheoy, is the polar bear from Pororo? so cute, I love that character, interplay with the pig, anyway. duh totally any blacks watching , totally watch out, life is meaningless. k. don't know if he knows the law, that's a disclaimer. im not sure who's a rock ape, we all try to keep our place around yiostheoy. cops get school cafeteria all day that's for sure, they grow up losers without jobs still ins school cafeteria. hey racist cop pig I just threw my lunch in a window because, racism is over, got it.