Opinion Article: Don’t Freak Out When We Lose the Birthright Citizenship Case

[candycorn]

I value my free time at about $150 an hour, paid up front. If you want to purchase some of my time to educate you, we could strike a bargain, I’m sure.

I value your contribution at $0.00.

You were checkmated 3 moves ago loser

 

[Robert W]

Why aren't they under our laws? What jurisdiction allegiance is there to their home country that prevents them from being under our laws when living here? NONE!

The only foreigners with allegiance to their country of birth was defined as foreign enemies in conflict with us, and foreign aliens who work as ambassadors when here for their government, are exempt from birthright citizenship for their children.

Just being born in another country was NOT allegiance to that country's jurisdiction when here in America.

They gave up all allegiance to their home country when they CHOSE to leave it, and come to America to live.

And yes, the 14th was written for the black slaves because they were the ONLY ONES EXEMPTED from birthright citizenship... All persons with the exception of slaves ....already had birthright citizenship for their children born here (with the exception of foreign military enemies in conflict and foreign ambassadors, both under foreign jurisdiction)

ALL PERSONS simply added slaves to EVERY ONE ELSE whose children were born citizens.

Did Americans want the hordes of Irish immigrating here during their potato famine? HECK NO! Americans hated that they were taking "their jobs" and were holding salaries down because they would work for cheaper, and taking their housing available causing rents to rise etc etc etc....much like all of your complaints today about unlawful entrants/illegal immigrants.....this was before the 14th and guess what Marty?

The kids of the hordes of unwanted Irish that immigrated here in the 1850s+ children born here, were born citizens of the united states.....!

Why were they? Because under common law, which we in America followed, all persons bearing children on our soil were born citizens except children of slaves, enemy children and ambassador children....

It was the law we followed PRIOR to the 14th.

Why would the 14th adding slaves, take away birthright citizenship to all other foreigners immigrating here Marty? It wouldn't, and it didn't. The end!

The exact wording of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution is as follows:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.".

 

[Robert W]

I value your contribution at $0.00.

You were checkmated 3 moves ago loser

Your arrogance is on display.

 

[Robert W]

The questioning came from seven of the nine justices and it was apparent they weren't buying the administration's argument against birthright citizenship... Probably because it is textually clear that it exists.

Thanks for your opinion. We all have opinions. The Supreme Courts is what matters. Don't forget, the court reversed itself 236 times in the past.

 

[candycorn]

Your arrogance is on display.

I noticed you didn’t say it wasn’t true.

 

[CowboyTed]

Plenty of need to change it. The idea that some pregnant woman can come here, give birth and then go home with a US citizen child is idiotic. Same as people who come here illegally getting rewarded with the same.

That is the constitution....

Want to change it, change the constitution...

 

[Anathema]

I value your contribution at $0.00.

You were checkmated 3 moves ago loser

That’s fine. I value your existence (and that of about 98.7% of humanity) at the same level.

You know exactly what I mean by people who are and are not assets to this country. My guess is that you would end up on that second list.

 

[Robert W]

I noticed you didn’t say it wasn’t true.

Why do you want me to do that to you?

 

[CowboyTed]

I don't get why this is in the Supreme Court.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside"

It is in plain english, f*ck your opinions, this is the law...

You have a perfect right to seek an amendment...

 

[Robert W]

I don't get why this is in the Supreme Court.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside"

It is in plain english, f*ck your opinions, this is the law...

You have a perfect right to seek an amendment...

It is in the Supreme Court Cowboy since the Supreme court wanted to get opinions.

 

[Chuz Life]

 

[JoeB131]

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You are a little confused. The fetuses of undocumented immigrants have no more rights than the fetuses of citizens. If an undocumented immigrant decides to have an abortion, she should be able to get an abortion. (In fact, if we funded abortion services in the third world, it would probably do a lot to alleviate the immigration problem!)

Now, once that fetus drops inside this country, it's a citizen, because that's the standard. ALL PEOPLE BORN.

Not UNBORN.

 

[pknopp]

Lets look at the last 3 recessions.

The 2001 Recession while under Bush was due to the dot.com bubble bursting, the 2020-2021 under Trump 1 was due to COVID, and the 2007-2009 under Bush again was due to the subprime mortgage crisis.

So the Dot.com thing started under Clinton and then popped, COVID was due to the Chinese ******* up in their research, and the subprime mortgage crisis was a decade in the making.

But cherrypick data to blame Republican Presidents for it....

US suspends risky disease research - Nature

Government to cease funding gain-of-function studies that make viruses more dangerous, pending a safety assessment.

www.nature.com

Ban on gain-of-function studies ends - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[martybegan]

You’re trying to be cute.

The meaning of the phrase determines who it applies to. Not the legislature.

To try and exclude illegal aliens, they have to redefine the phrase.

The law that applies the articles and amendments to the constitution are written by the legislature.

They don't have to re-define, they have to clarify like they did with children of diplomats.

 

[martybegan]

Freak out. The questioning made it very clear that they consider it a part of the Constitution. You will need a constitutional amendment.

Not nessisarily. Again a carve out was already made for children of diplomats under the current amendment.

 

[martybegan]

Good luck with that. When was the last time you saw the US congress do ANYTHING that benefited Americans? I haven't seen ANYTHING done by congress other than partisan bickering, scam impeachments, and lawfare for at least 15 years.

Just one more reason for an Article V convention.

 

[martybegan]

Which, under the 14th, means if they are born here they are citizens.

No it means under the current understanding of the 14th amendment, depending on how they decide this current case.

This question in particular has never been asked before.

 

[martybegan]

But it set the precedent that the 14th Amendment protected birthright citizenship.



Just like the Founders wanting the minutemen to have their own muskets doesn't relate directly to a nutbag walking into a school and making a dozen litle corpses, but here we are.

The problem is, you haven't really made a good case why they shouldn't be citizens the minute they are born.

Different situations, and of course Plessey set seperate but equal as precedent, and the court then rightly overturned it.

The case is a country has a right to control who becomes citizens of said country.

 

[martybegan]

Yes, because DIPLOMATS are covered under various treaties and agreements. It's why they have diplomatic immunity.


Actually, it would have the same problem.

Since "Legal" and "Illegal" immigration aren't as clear cut as you like to pretend them to be, where do you draw the line.

What about Foundlings, as one of the justices asked. If a foundling is turned into social services and put up for adoption, how do we know his parents were "legal" or not?

The actual carve out is covered under fedral code.

Drawing lines is what writing laws is all about.

That would be for a court to figure out.

 

[martybegan]

Why aren't they under our laws? What jurisdiction allegiance is there to their home country that prevents them from being under our laws when living here? NONE!

The only foreigners with allegiance to their country of birth was defined as foreign enemies in conflict with us, and foreign aliens who work as ambassadors when here for their government, are exempt from birthright citizenship for their children.

Just being born in another country was NOT allegiance to that country's jurisdiction when here in America.

They gave up all allegiance to their home country when they CHOSE to leave it, and come to America to live.

And yes, the 14th was written for the black slaves because they were the ONLY ONES EXEMPTED from birthright citizenship... All persons with the exception of slaves ....already had birthright citizenship for their children born here (with the exception of foreign military enemies in conflict and foreign ambassadors, both under foreign jurisdiction)

ALL PERSONS simply added slaves to EVERY ONE ELSE whose children were born citizens.

Did Americans want the hordes of Irish immigrating here during their potato famine? HECK NO! Americans hated that they were taking "their jobs" and were holding salaries down because they would work for cheaper, and taking their housing available causing rents to rise etc etc etc....much like all of your complaints today about unlawful entrants/illegal immigrants.....this was before the 14th and guess what Marty?

The kids of the hordes of unwanted Irish that immigrated here in the 1850s+ children born here, were born citizens of the united states.....!

Why were they? Because under common law, which we in America followed, all persons bearing children on our soil were born citizens except children of slaves, enemy children and ambassador children....

It was the law we followed PRIOR to the 14th.

Why would the 14th adding slaves, take away birthright citizenship to all other foreigners immigrating here Marty? It wouldn't, and it didn't. The end!

Diplomats are under our laws, we just can't prosecute them. We can send them back to their own country though, and that country can handle any issue.

All those Irish came in under the laws at the time, and yes, they did want the cheap labor in the Northern Urban areas.

It was the rural areas that didn't want it.

Does a country have a right to decide who it allows to become citizens, yes or no?