Only Fascists Assail Free Speech

[PaintMyHouse]

Unelected judges have decided that child pornography is not protected by the 1st Amendment

Along with a host of others. Pretty odd considering the First Amendment or, maybe not.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Where Liberalism is strongest, one is least likely to find free speech.

Entirely backwards of course. Talk it up kiddos, it's your right that liberals here granted you...

Of course the thread proves you to be both a liar and a Liberal....oh, wait....that may be redundant.

When you have something real to say let us all know. In the meantime read up:

"Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2] The former principle is stressed in classical liberalism while the latter is more evident in social liberalism.[3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programs such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, and international cooperation.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]"
Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Revealing you to be a liar has become my avocation.


.Classical liberalism

a. “The American intellectual class from the mid 19th century onward has disliked liberalism (which originally referred to individualism, private property, and limits on power) precisely because the liberal society has no overarching goal.” http://fff.org/freedom/fd0203c.asp

b. Wilson and the Progressives tried to make war socialism permanent, but the voters didn’t agree. They (Progressives) began to agree more and more with Bismarckian top-down socialism, and looked to Russia and Italy where ‘men of action’ were creating utopias. Also, John Dewey renamed Progressivism as ‘liberalism,’ which had referred to political and economic liberty, along the lines of John Locke and Adam Smith: maximum individual freedom under a minimalist state. Dewey changed the meaning to the Prussian meaning: alleviation of material and educational poverty, and the removal of old ideas and faiths. Classical liberals were more like what we call Conservatives.

c. “Finally, Dewey arguably did more than any other reformer to repackage progressive social theory in a way that obscured just how radically its principles departed from those of the American founding. Like Ely and many of his fellow progressive academics, Dewey initially embraced the term "socialism" to describe his social theory. Only after realizing how damaging the name was to the socialist cause did he, like other progressives, begin to avoid it. In the early 1930s, accordingly, Dewey begged the Socialist party, of which he was a longtime member, to change its name. "The greatest handicap from which special measures favored by the Socialists suffer," Dewey declared, "is that they are advanced by the Socialist party as Socialism.”
http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=OTY0MjA1YzVjNjVkOTViMzM5M2Q5M2Y0ODk0ODc0MmM=


You, the version known as 'modern Libeals,' are no more than totalitarian/socialists.

You, in particular....a liar.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Unelected judges have decided that child pornography is not protected by the 1st Amendment

Along with a host of others. Pretty odd considering the First Amendment or, maybe not.

PC rants about the 1st Amendment and then turns around and disparages 'unelected judges'.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Some of you may remember when the conservative fascists went after Larry Flynt:

Hustler Magazine v. Falwell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PoliticalChic]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. - See more at: First Amendment - U.S. Constitution - FindLaw

Tell us, in your own words, are there any valid restriction on Free Speech?

Every word I use is 'my own."

That's called free speech.

When I quote, I state the source, and provide quotation marks.

You, as a Liberal, never veer from the orders issued by NYTimes, MSNBC, the DNC, etc.
Nor do you give the credit due.

That's Liberal Plagiarism.

 

[Camp]

PC is failing right through the thread.

She has failed to define American Nazi left and has failed to defend against right wing Christian crazies trying to stop free speech.

I feel guilty for helping keep her thread going all day long yesterday by pushing her liar buttons. It was a great platform for promoting FDR's manipulation of Stalin in bringing religious freedom to Americans in the USSR during the 1930's and so I couldn't help myself.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You, in particular....a liar.

Use your words, your words to show how I am lying about Free Speech? Ask me a question, for instance, or answer the one I've asked you a half dozen times...

 

[Debra K]

I wish those lefties didnt attack Redstate for disinviting Trump. What a bunch of freedom hating assholes, amirite?

There are plenty of weak -kneed Republicans who pander to the left thats part of the problem

Or perhaps there are plenty of Democrats, Republicans, Independents, et al., that know what the Constitution protects and what it does not protect. Just because someone who has labeled him- or herself "Republican" has expressed a viewpoint that conflicts with your uneducated viewpoint, that doesn't mean they are "weak-kneed ... who pander to the left."

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Every word I use is 'my own."

That's called free speech.

When I quote, I state the source, and provide quotation marks.

You, as a Liberal, never veer from the orders issued by NYTimes, MSNBC, the DNC, etc.

That's Liberal Plagiarism.

Those are not "your" words... And, answer the question? It's one I'd ask a junior high school kid in civics class, and I'd expect an answer...

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Pick one word to represent America.....you'd probably pick some iteration of "freedom."
The aspect of 'freedom' most often mentioned is freedom of speech.

Sadly, the stronger the Left's influence abounds, the less of that free speech is available.




1. "Americans were asked what they believed was the single most important freedom that citizens enjoy. The majority (47%) of people named freedom of speech as the most important freedom, followed by freedom of religion (10%); freedom of choice (7%); right to vote (5%); right to bear arms (5%); right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (3%), and freedom of the press (1%). Women were twice as likely as men to name freedom of religion as the most important freedom. Thirteen percent of women named freedom of religion, whereas only 6% of men did.


2. Asked to name the five specific freedoms in the First Amendment, 59% of Americans could name freedom of speech, followed by 24% who could name freedom of religion, 14% freedom of the press, 11% the right to assemble, and 4% the right to petition. Thirty-six percent of Americans cannot name any of the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment.




3. The majority of Americans believes that the First Amendment does not go too far in the rights it guarantees. The gap between those who believe it goes too far and not too far has generally increased over time; however, this year there was a significant increase in those who claimed that the First Amendment goes too far in protecting individual rights.

a. Higher percentages of young Americans tend to agree with the statement that the First Amendment goes too far in the rights that it guarantees. Forty-seven percent of 18-30-year-olds agree, while 44% of 31-45-year-olds, 24% of 46-60-year-olds and 23% of people over 60 agree that the First Amendment goes too far.

b. Additionally, African-Americans and Hispanics are more likely to say that the First Amendment goes too far in the rights it guarantees. Fifty-two percent of African-Americans and 50% of Hispanics agree, while only 29% of whites agree that the First Amendment goes too far.





4. Americans who identify as liberal or moderate are more likely than those who identify as conservative to agree that the news media attempt to report stories without bias. Fifty-one percent of liberals, 50% of moderates and 37% of conservatives support the statement."
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/madison/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SOFA-2013-final-report.pdf



Where Liberalism is strongest, one is least likely to find free speech.

A total of three (3) sentences of your OP were written by you. The rest is yet another Copy and Paste number you attribute, inappropriately and erringly in contextual formatting, to a single source as "supporting evidence", I suppose, to somehow bolster your premise of the argument through "adjustments" to its context.

Your premise you wrote above was, "Sadly, the stronger the Left's influence abounds, the less of that free speech is available."

Unfortunately for you, the words you copied and pasted do not support your premise at all! They are noting but a jumble of statistics gathered in 2013, I believe, that do not at all support your assertion that our inalienable right of free speech has been impaired, stifled or in anyway limited. The "evidence" you C&P'ed was a POLL taken of certain knowledge and opinions of those taking part in that poll; nothing more and nothing less.

Your conclusion that, "Where Liberalism is strongest, one is least likely to find free speech" does not relate in any degree to the "evidence" you presented. That OP is an epic FAIL! There was no beef to be found between the bun!

 

[Little-Acorn]

Only Fascists Assail Free Speech


Socialists do it a lot too.

Socialists are merely fascists who hide behind claims that "the people own everything" as they force them to do one thing after another against their will.

 

[Debra K]

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”
Winston Churchill

".... young Americans tend to agree with the statement that the First Amendment goes too far..."

What are the characteristics which identify the nexus of the two quotes above?
Answer: youth and inexperience.

The young, sadly, can be convinced of so very many things that simply are not so. And that is where Liberals excel.
So it is with their captives, in university.



There is stark proof that the Left's control of universities, and the media, the dissemination of information, has destroyed what made America the beacon to the world, freedom.


One can gauge it via the term "free speech zone."

One in six of America's four hundred top colleges has a "free speech zone."


5. "... a legal challenge to an unconstitutional free speech zone policy at the University of Cincinnati (UC) that limited all “demonstrations, pickets, and rallies” to a “Free Speech Area” comprising just 0.1% of the university’s 137-acre West Campus. The policy further required all activity in the free speech zone to be registered ten working days in advance, threatening that “[a]nyone violating this policy may be charged with trespassing.”
University of Cincinnati: Speech Code Litigation - FIRE


Shouldn't all of America be a "free speech zone"????

A note that documents which view....Liberal or conservative....represents the real America:


a. A conservative group sued and won..".. In a major victory for student rights, a federal district court issued a final ruling today prohibiting the University of Cincinnati (UC) from reinstating its tiny “free speech zone.” In today’sorder, United States District Judge Timothy S. Black issued apermanent injunctionagainst UC’s unconstitutional system of speech restriction." Federal Court Delivers Final Blow to U. of Cincinnati 'Free Speech Zone' - FIRE


We would all benefit if there were more brave 'conservative groups' in the universities.

The First Amendment does not prohibit reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions.

In the University of Cincinnati case noted above, Plaintiff's brought an action against the University and the Plaintiffs first obtained a preliminary injunction granted apparently by some "LEFTIST judge". ROFL The parties reached an out-of-court settlement and a permanent injunction was entered. That's how our court system works or should work.

I submit for argument, however, if the plaintiff's had been "LIBERALS" protesting the unconstitutional CONDUCT or POLICIES of a "CONSERVATIVE", then the matter might not have been settled out of court ... but the right wing loony birds would have continued to waste attorney fees and judicial resources appealing the matter all the way to the Supreme Court (and then you would have complained when the SC issued a decision against the "conservative").

Funny thing that people like you credit "CONSERVATIVES" for vindicating "free speech" liberties secured by the Constitution, but vilify "LIBERALS" if they exercise "free speech" liberties and use public walkways to picket a business that is engaged in unlawful discrimination.

"Conservative" double standards of "freedom for me, but not for you" are on consistent display.

 

[Debra K]

I wish those lefties didnt attack Redstate for disinviting Trump. What a bunch of freedom hating assholes, amirite?

There are plenty of weak -kneed Republicans who pander to the left thats part of the problem

Thats great! Even when its the right its REALLY the left. Thats the Republican Mantra.

The sad part is the right-wing branch has brainwashed itself to believe all their Orwellian doublethink and newspeak.

 

[Mac1958]

It ain't Constitutional, it's cultural...
.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Every word I use is 'my own."

That's called free speech.

When I quote, I state the source, and provide quotation marks.

You, as a Liberal, never veer from the orders issued by NYTimes, MSNBC, the DNC, etc.

That's Liberal Plagiarism.

Those are not "your" words... And, answer the question? It's one I'd ask a junior high school kid in civics class, and I'd expect an answer...

I've studied them, I own them.

Why are you so afraid of my posts....
....because I expose your lies?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I wish those lefties didnt attack Redstate for disinviting Trump. What a bunch of freedom hating assholes, amirite?

There are plenty of weak -kneed Republicans who pander to the left thats part of the problem

Thats great! Even when its the right its REALLY the left. Thats the Republican Mantra.

The sad part is the right-wing branch has brainwashed itself to believe all their Orwellian doublethink and newspeak.

Moderate, huh???

And another one bites the dust!

Seems you can't bring yourself to say a bad word about Liberal fascism, the foot-on-the-neck of free speech and free thinking.
Given the opportunity to show that you aren't simply another indoctrinated Liberal...

...you avoided it.....post #21...


So....you voted for Obama?

 

[PoliticalChic]

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”
Winston Churchill

".... young Americans tend to agree with the statement that the First Amendment goes too far..."

What are the characteristics which identify the nexus of the two quotes above?
Answer: youth and inexperience.

The young, sadly, can be convinced of so very many things that simply are not so. And that is where Liberals excel.
So it is with their captives, in university.



There is stark proof that the Left's control of universities, and the media, the dissemination of information, has destroyed what made America the beacon to the world, freedom.


One can gauge it via the term "free speech zone."

One in six of America's four hundred top colleges has a "free speech zone."


5. "... a legal challenge to an unconstitutional free speech zone policy at the University of Cincinnati (UC) that limited all “demonstrations, pickets, and rallies” to a “Free Speech Area” comprising just 0.1% of the university’s 137-acre West Campus. The policy further required all activity in the free speech zone to be registered ten working days in advance, threatening that “[a]nyone violating this policy may be charged with trespassing.”
University of Cincinnati: Speech Code Litigation - FIRE


Shouldn't all of America be a "free speech zone"????

A note that documents which view....Liberal or conservative....represents the real America:


a. A conservative group sued and won..".. In a major victory for student rights, a federal district court issued a final ruling today prohibiting the University of Cincinnati (UC) from reinstating its tiny “free speech zone.” In today’sorder, United States District Judge Timothy S. Black issued apermanent injunctionagainst UC’s unconstitutional system of speech restriction." Federal Court Delivers Final Blow to U. of Cincinnati 'Free Speech Zone' - FIRE


We would all benefit if there were more brave 'conservative groups' in the universities.

The First Amendment does not prohibit reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions.

In the University of Cincinnati case noted above, Plaintiff's brought an action against the University and the Plaintiffs first obtained a preliminary injunction granted apparently by some "LEFTIST judge". ROFL The parties reached an out-of-court settlement and a permanent injunction was entered. That's how our court system works or should work.

I submit for argument, however, if the plaintiff's had been "LIBERALS" protesting the unconstitutional CONDUCT or POLICIES of a "CONSERVATIVE", then the matter might not have been settled out of court ... but the right wing loony birds would have continued to waste attorney fees and judicial resources appealing the matter all the way to the Supreme Court (and then you would have complained when the SC issued a decision against the "conservative").

Funny thing that people like you credit "CONSERVATIVES" for vindicating "free speech" liberties secured by the Constitution, but vilify "LIBERALS" if they exercise "free speech" liberties and use public walkways to picket a business that is engaged in unlawful discrimination.

"Conservative" double standards of "freedom for me, but not for you" are on consistent display.

This:
" ...no law ... prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;..."

vs.

this:
"The First Amendment does not prohibit reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions."


Some 'moderate.'

 

[nuhuh]

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”
Winston Churchill

".... young Americans tend to agree with the statement that the First Amendment goes too far..."

What are the characteristics which identify the nexus of the two quotes above?
Answer: youth and inexperience.

The young, sadly, can be convinced of so very many things that simply are not so. And that is where Liberals excel.
So it is with their captives, in university.



There is stark proof that the Left's control of universities, and the media, the dissemination of information, has destroyed what made America the beacon to the world, freedom.


One can gauge it via the term "free speech zone."

One in six of America's four hundred top colleges has a "free speech zone."


5. "... a legal challenge to an unconstitutional free speech zone policy at the University of Cincinnati (UC) that limited all “demonstrations, pickets, and rallies” to a “Free Speech Area” comprising just 0.1% of the university’s 137-acre West Campus. The policy further required all activity in the free speech zone to be registered ten working days in advance, threatening that “[a]nyone violating this policy may be charged with trespassing.”
University of Cincinnati: Speech Code Litigation - FIRE


Shouldn't all of America be a "free speech zone"????

A note that documents which view....Liberal or conservative....represents the real America:


a. A conservative group sued and won..".. In a major victory for student rights, a federal district court issued a final ruling today prohibiting the University of Cincinnati (UC) from reinstating its tiny “free speech zone.” In today’sorder, United States District Judge Timothy S. Black issued apermanent injunctionagainst UC’s unconstitutional system of speech restriction." Federal Court Delivers Final Blow to U. of Cincinnati 'Free Speech Zone' - FIRE


We would all benefit if there were more brave 'conservative groups' in the universities.

The First Amendment does not prohibit reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions.

In the University of Cincinnati case noted above, Plaintiff's brought an action against the University and the Plaintiffs first obtained a preliminary injunction granted apparently by some "LEFTIST judge". ROFL The parties reached an out-of-court settlement and a permanent injunction was entered. That's how our court system works or should work.

I submit for argument, however, if the plaintiff's had been "LIBERALS" protesting the unconstitutional CONDUCT or POLICIES of a "CONSERVATIVE", then the matter might not have been settled out of court ... but the right wing loony birds would have continued to waste attorney fees and judicial resources appealing the matter all the way to the Supreme Court (and then you would have complained when the SC issued a decision against the "conservative").

Funny thing that people like you credit "CONSERVATIVES" for vindicating "free speech" liberties secured by the Constitution, but vilify "LIBERALS" if they exercise "free speech" liberties and use public walkways to picket a business that is engaged in unlawful discrimination.

"Conservative" double standards of "freedom for me, but not for you" are on consistent display.

This:
" ...no law ... prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;..."

vs.

this:
"The First Amendment does not prohibit reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions."


Some 'moderate.'

Would you kindly stop trying to make your points with fraudulent quotes?

 

[Debra K]

PC is failing right through the thread.

She has failed to define American Nazi left and has failed to defend against right wing Christian crazies trying to stop free speech.

I feel guilty for helping keep her thread going all day long yesterday by pushing her liar buttons. It was a great platform for promoting FDR's manipulation of Stalin in bringing religious freedom to Americans in the USSR during the 1930's and so I couldn't help myself.

I haven't been here long, but it is easy to see that the author of the opening post is an uneducated person who wouldn't know a valid or sound argument if it slapped her in the face. She has an agenda to place conservatives (and particularly right-winger loony birds) on a pedestal (in her opinion, they can't do anything wrong) and to vilify all others, e.g., "liberals" (whom she labels as "Fascists") because, in her opinion, they can't do anything right.

She's not even entertaining ... just a font of misinformation ... and sometimes we should take the time to point that out.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Pick one word to represent America.....you'd probably pick some iteration of "freedom."
The aspect of 'freedom' most often mentioned is freedom of speech.

Sadly, the stronger the Left's influence abounds, the less of that free speech is available.




1. "Americans were asked what they believed was the single most important freedom that citizens enjoy. The majority (47%) of people named freedom of speech as the most important freedom, followed by freedom of religion (10%); freedom of choice (7%); right to vote (5%); right to bear arms (5%); right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (3%), and freedom of the press (1%). Women were twice as likely as men to name freedom of religion as the most important freedom. Thirteen percent of women named freedom of religion, whereas only 6% of men did.


2. Asked to name the five specific freedoms in the First Amendment, 59% of Americans could name freedom of speech, followed by 24% who could name freedom of religion, 14% freedom of the press, 11% the right to assemble, and 4% the right to petition. Thirty-six percent of Americans cannot name any of the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment.




3. The majority of Americans believes that the First Amendment does not go too far in the rights it guarantees. The gap between those who believe it goes too far and not too far has generally increased over time; however, this year there was a significant increase in those who claimed that the First Amendment goes too far in protecting individual rights.

a. Higher percentages of young Americans tend to agree with the statement that the First Amendment goes too far in the rights that it guarantees. Forty-seven percent of 18-30-year-olds agree, while 44% of 31-45-year-olds, 24% of 46-60-year-olds and 23% of people over 60 agree that the First Amendment goes too far.

b. Additionally, African-Americans and Hispanics are more likely to say that the First Amendment goes too far in the rights it guarantees. Fifty-two percent of African-Americans and 50% of Hispanics agree, while only 29% of whites agree that the First Amendment goes too far.





4. Americans who identify as liberal or moderate are more likely than those who identify as conservative to agree that the news media attempt to report stories without bias. Fifty-one percent of liberals, support the statement."
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/madison/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SOFA-2013-final-report.pdf



Where Liberalism is strongest, one is least likely to find free speech.

Since you are talking about the First Amendment, it might be wise to review the actual language: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The First Amendment applies to Congress (federal government) and is applicable to state governments through the Fourteenth Amendment. See Gitlow v. New York 268 U.S. 652 (1925):

"For present purposes we may and do assume that freedom of speech and of the press -- which are protected by the First Amendment from abridgment by Congress -- are among the fundamental personal rights and "liberties" protected by the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment from impairment by the States . . . It is a fundamental principle, long established, that the freedom of speech and of the press which is secured by the Constitution, does not confer an absolute right to speak or publish, without responsibility, whatever one may choose, or an unrestricted and unbridled license that gives immunity for every possible use of language and prevents the punishment of those who abuse this freedom."

The title of your thread is "Only Fascists Assail Free Speech". Your post sets forth 4 premises:

Briefly, your 4 premises are:
1) 47 percent of people [of 1006 people who responded to a telephone survey] identified "freedom of speech" as the most important freedom; 2) 59 percent of people [surveyed] could identify "freedom of speech" as a freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment; 3) The majority of the people [surveyed] believe the First Amendment does not go too far in protecting freedom; and 4) 51 percent of the "liberals" [surveyed], 50% of moderates [surveyed], and 37% of conservatives [surveyed], agreed with the statement, "the news media attempt to report stories without bias."

Based on these premises, you concluded: "Where Liberalism is strongest, one is least likely to find free speech." Your conclusion is not the same as your title: "Only Fascists Assail Free Speech".

Your argument is neither valid or sound. It is not valid because, even if we assume your premises are true, that does not mean your conclusion is true. It is not sound, because your premises do not support your conclusion.

None of your premises discuss "Fascists", so your title is deceptive. None of your premises include any facts showing that Liberals have abused the power of our state and federal government to deprive you or anyone else of "freedom of speech."

Correct.