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Along with a host of others. Pretty odd considering the First Amendment or, maybe not.Unelected judges have decided that child pornography is not protected by the 1st Amendment
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Along with a host of others. Pretty odd considering the First Amendment or, maybe not.Unelected judges have decided that child pornography is not protected by the 1st Amendment
When you have something real to say let us all know. In the meantime read up:Entirely backwards of course. Talk it up kiddos, it's your right that liberals here granted you...Where Liberalism is strongest, one is least likely to find free speech.
Of course the thread proves you to be both a liar and a Liberal....oh, wait....that may be redundant.
"Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2] The former principle is stressed in classical liberalism while the latter is more evident in social liberalism.[3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programs such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, and international cooperation.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]"
Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Along with a host of others. Pretty odd considering the First Amendment or, maybe not.Unelected judges have decided that child pornography is not protected by the 1st Amendment
Tell us, in your own words, are there any valid restriction on Free Speech?Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. - See more at: First Amendment - U.S. Constitution - FindLaw
I feel guilty for helping keep her thread going all day long yesterday by pushing her liar buttons. It was a great platform for promoting FDR's manipulation of Stalin in bringing religious freedom to Americans in the USSR during the 1930's and so I couldn't help myself.PC is failing right through the thread.
She has failed to define American Nazi left and has failed to defend against right wing Christian crazies trying to stop free speech.
Use your words, your words to show how I am lying about Free Speech? Ask me a question, for instance, or answer the one I've asked you a half dozen times...You, in particular....a liar.
I wish those lefties didnt attack Redstate for disinviting Trump. What a bunch of freedom hating assholes, amirite?
There are plenty of weak -kneed Republicans who pander to the left thats part of the problem
Those are not "your" words... And, answer the question? It's one I'd ask a junior high school kid in civics class, and I'd expect an answer...Every word I use is 'my own."
That's called free speech.
When I quote, I state the source, and provide quotation marks.
You, as a Liberal, never veer from the orders issued by NYTimes, MSNBC, the DNC, etc.
That's Liberal Plagiarism.
Pick one word to represent America.....you'd probably pick some iteration of "freedom."
The aspect of 'freedom' most often mentioned is freedom of speech.
Sadly, the stronger the Left's influence abounds, the less of that free speech is available.
1. "Americans were asked what they believed was the single most important freedom that citizens enjoy. The majority (47%) of people named freedom of speech as the most important freedom, followed by freedom of religion (10%); freedom of choice (7%); right to vote (5%); right to bear arms (5%); right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (3%), and freedom of the press (1%). Women were twice as likely as men to name freedom of religion as the most important freedom. Thirteen percent of women named freedom of religion, whereas only 6% of men did.
2. Asked to name the five specific freedoms in the First Amendment, 59% of Americans could name freedom of speech, followed by 24% who could name freedom of religion, 14% freedom of the press, 11% the right to assemble, and 4% the right to petition. Thirty-six percent of Americans cannot name any of the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment.
3. The majority of Americans believes that the First Amendment does not go too far in the rights it guarantees. The gap between those who believe it goes too far and not too far has generally increased over time; however, this year there was a significant increase in those who claimed that the First Amendment goes too far in protecting individual rights.
a. Higher percentages of young Americans tend to agree with the statement that the First Amendment goes too far in the rights that it guarantees. Forty-seven percent of 18-30-year-olds agree, while 44% of 31-45-year-olds, 24% of 46-60-year-olds and 23% of people over 60 agree that the First Amendment goes too far.
b. Additionally, African-Americans and Hispanics are more likely to say that the First Amendment goes too far in the rights it guarantees. Fifty-two percent of African-Americans and 50% of Hispanics agree, while only 29% of whites agree that the First Amendment goes too far.
4. Americans who identify as liberal or moderate are more likely than those who identify as conservative to agree that the news media attempt to report stories without bias. Fifty-one percent of liberals, 50% of moderates and 37% of conservatives support the statement."
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/madison/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SOFA-2013-final-report.pdf
Where Liberalism is strongest, one is least likely to find free speech.
“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”
Winston Churchill
".... young Americans tend to agree with the statement that the First Amendment goes too far..."
What are the characteristics which identify the nexus of the two quotes above?
Answer: youth and inexperience.
The young, sadly, can be convinced of so very many things that simply are not so. And that is where Liberals excel.
So it is with their captives, in university.
There is stark proof that the Left's control of universities, and the media, the dissemination of information, has destroyed what made America the beacon to the world, freedom.
One can gauge it via the term "free speech zone."
One in six of America's four hundred top colleges has a "free speech zone."
5. "... a legal challenge to an unconstitutional free speech zone policy at the University of Cincinnati (UC) that limited all “demonstrations, pickets, and rallies” to a “Free Speech Area” comprising just 0.1% of the university’s 137-acre West Campus. The policy further required all activity in the free speech zone to be registered ten working days in advance, threatening that “[a]nyone violating this policy may be charged with trespassing.”
University of Cincinnati: Speech Code Litigation - FIRE
Shouldn't all of America be a "free speech zone"????
A note that documents which view....Liberal or conservative....represents the real America:
a. A conservative group sued and won..".. In a major victory for student rights, a federal district court issued a final ruling today prohibiting the University of Cincinnati (UC) from reinstating its tiny “free speech zone.” In today’sorder, United States District Judge Timothy S. Black issued apermanent injunctionagainst UC’s unconstitutional system of speech restriction." Federal Court Delivers Final Blow to U. of Cincinnati 'Free Speech Zone' - FIRE
We would all benefit if there were more brave 'conservative groups' in the universities.
I wish those lefties didnt attack Redstate for disinviting Trump. What a bunch of freedom hating assholes, amirite?
There are plenty of weak -kneed Republicans who pander to the left thats part of the problem
Thats great! Even when its the right its REALLY the left. Thats the Republican Mantra.
Those are not "your" words... And, answer the question? It's one I'd ask a junior high school kid in civics class, and I'd expect an answer...Every word I use is 'my own."
That's called free speech.
When I quote, I state the source, and provide quotation marks.
You, as a Liberal, never veer from the orders issued by NYTimes, MSNBC, the DNC, etc.
That's Liberal Plagiarism.
I wish those lefties didnt attack Redstate for disinviting Trump. What a bunch of freedom hating assholes, amirite?
There are plenty of weak -kneed Republicans who pander to the left thats part of the problem
Thats great! Even when its the right its REALLY the left. Thats the Republican Mantra.
The sad part is the right-wing branch has brainwashed itself to believe all their Orwellian doublethink and newspeak.
“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”
Winston Churchill
".... young Americans tend to agree with the statement that the First Amendment goes too far..."
What are the characteristics which identify the nexus of the two quotes above?
Answer: youth and inexperience.
The young, sadly, can be convinced of so very many things that simply are not so. And that is where Liberals excel.
So it is with their captives, in university.
There is stark proof that the Left's control of universities, and the media, the dissemination of information, has destroyed what made America the beacon to the world, freedom.
One can gauge it via the term "free speech zone."
One in six of America's four hundred top colleges has a "free speech zone."
5. "... a legal challenge to an unconstitutional free speech zone policy at the University of Cincinnati (UC) that limited all “demonstrations, pickets, and rallies” to a “Free Speech Area” comprising just 0.1% of the university’s 137-acre West Campus. The policy further required all activity in the free speech zone to be registered ten working days in advance, threatening that “[a]nyone violating this policy may be charged with trespassing.”
University of Cincinnati: Speech Code Litigation - FIRE
Shouldn't all of America be a "free speech zone"????
A note that documents which view....Liberal or conservative....represents the real America:
a. A conservative group sued and won..".. In a major victory for student rights, a federal district court issued a final ruling today prohibiting the University of Cincinnati (UC) from reinstating its tiny “free speech zone.” In today’sorder, United States District Judge Timothy S. Black issued apermanent injunctionagainst UC’s unconstitutional system of speech restriction." Federal Court Delivers Final Blow to U. of Cincinnati 'Free Speech Zone' - FIRE
We would all benefit if there were more brave 'conservative groups' in the universities.
The First Amendment does not prohibit reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions.
In the University of Cincinnati case noted above, Plaintiff's brought an action against the University and the Plaintiffs first obtained a preliminary injunction granted apparently by some "LEFTIST judge". ROFL The parties reached an out-of-court settlement and a permanent injunction was entered. That's how our court system works or should work.
I submit for argument, however, if the plaintiff's had been "LIBERALS" protesting the unconstitutional CONDUCT or POLICIES of a "CONSERVATIVE", then the matter might not have been settled out of court ... but the right wing loony birds would have continued to waste attorney fees and judicial resources appealing the matter all the way to the Supreme Court (and then you would have complained when the SC issued a decision against the "conservative").
Funny thing that people like you credit "CONSERVATIVES" for vindicating "free speech" liberties secured by the Constitution, but vilify "LIBERALS" if they exercise "free speech" liberties and use public walkways to picket a business that is engaged in unlawful discrimination.
"Conservative" double standards of "freedom for me, but not for you" are on consistent display.
“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”
Winston Churchill
".... young Americans tend to agree with the statement that the First Amendment goes too far..."
What are the characteristics which identify the nexus of the two quotes above?
Answer: youth and inexperience.
The young, sadly, can be convinced of so very many things that simply are not so. And that is where Liberals excel.
So it is with their captives, in university.
There is stark proof that the Left's control of universities, and the media, the dissemination of information, has destroyed what made America the beacon to the world, freedom.
One can gauge it via the term "free speech zone."
One in six of America's four hundred top colleges has a "free speech zone."
5. "... a legal challenge to an unconstitutional free speech zone policy at the University of Cincinnati (UC) that limited all “demonstrations, pickets, and rallies” to a “Free Speech Area” comprising just 0.1% of the university’s 137-acre West Campus. The policy further required all activity in the free speech zone to be registered ten working days in advance, threatening that “[a]nyone violating this policy may be charged with trespassing.”
University of Cincinnati: Speech Code Litigation - FIRE
Shouldn't all of America be a "free speech zone"????
A note that documents which view....Liberal or conservative....represents the real America:
a. A conservative group sued and won..".. In a major victory for student rights, a federal district court issued a final ruling today prohibiting the University of Cincinnati (UC) from reinstating its tiny “free speech zone.” In today’sorder, United States District Judge Timothy S. Black issued apermanent injunctionagainst UC’s unconstitutional system of speech restriction." Federal Court Delivers Final Blow to U. of Cincinnati 'Free Speech Zone' - FIRE
We would all benefit if there were more brave 'conservative groups' in the universities.
The First Amendment does not prohibit reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions.
In the University of Cincinnati case noted above, Plaintiff's brought an action against the University and the Plaintiffs first obtained a preliminary injunction granted apparently by some "LEFTIST judge". ROFL The parties reached an out-of-court settlement and a permanent injunction was entered. That's how our court system works or should work.
I submit for argument, however, if the plaintiff's had been "LIBERALS" protesting the unconstitutional CONDUCT or POLICIES of a "CONSERVATIVE", then the matter might not have been settled out of court ... but the right wing loony birds would have continued to waste attorney fees and judicial resources appealing the matter all the way to the Supreme Court (and then you would have complained when the SC issued a decision against the "conservative").
Funny thing that people like you credit "CONSERVATIVES" for vindicating "free speech" liberties secured by the Constitution, but vilify "LIBERALS" if they exercise "free speech" liberties and use public walkways to picket a business that is engaged in unlawful discrimination.
"Conservative" double standards of "freedom for me, but not for you" are on consistent display.
This:
" ...no law ... prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;..."
vs.
this:
"The First Amendment does not prohibit reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions."
Some 'moderate.'
I feel guilty for helping keep her thread going all day long yesterday by pushing her liar buttons. It was a great platform for promoting FDR's manipulation of Stalin in bringing religious freedom to Americans in the USSR during the 1930's and so I couldn't help myself.PC is failing right through the thread.
She has failed to define American Nazi left and has failed to defend against right wing Christian crazies trying to stop free speech.
Correct.Pick one word to represent America.....you'd probably pick some iteration of "freedom."
The aspect of 'freedom' most often mentioned is freedom of speech.
Sadly, the stronger the Left's influence abounds, the less of that free speech is available.
1. "Americans were asked what they believed was the single most important freedom that citizens enjoy. The majority (47%) of people named freedom of speech as the most important freedom, followed by freedom of religion (10%); freedom of choice (7%); right to vote (5%); right to bear arms (5%); right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (3%), and freedom of the press (1%). Women were twice as likely as men to name freedom of religion as the most important freedom. Thirteen percent of women named freedom of religion, whereas only 6% of men did.
2. Asked to name the five specific freedoms in the First Amendment, 59% of Americans could name freedom of speech, followed by 24% who could name freedom of religion, 14% freedom of the press, 11% the right to assemble, and 4% the right to petition. Thirty-six percent of Americans cannot name any of the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment.
3. The majority of Americans believes that the First Amendment does not go too far in the rights it guarantees. The gap between those who believe it goes too far and not too far has generally increased over time; however, this year there was a significant increase in those who claimed that the First Amendment goes too far in protecting individual rights.
a. Higher percentages of young Americans tend to agree with the statement that the First Amendment goes too far in the rights that it guarantees. Forty-seven percent of 18-30-year-olds agree, while 44% of 31-45-year-olds, 24% of 46-60-year-olds and 23% of people over 60 agree that the First Amendment goes too far.
b. Additionally, African-Americans and Hispanics are more likely to say that the First Amendment goes too far in the rights it guarantees. Fifty-two percent of African-Americans and 50% of Hispanics agree, while only 29% of whites agree that the First Amendment goes too far.
4. Americans who identify as liberal or moderate are more likely than those who identify as conservative to agree that the news media attempt to report stories without bias. Fifty-one percent of liberals, support the statement."
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/madison/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SOFA-2013-final-report.pdf
Where Liberalism is strongest, one is least likely to find free speech.
Since you are talking about the First Amendment, it might be wise to review the actual language: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
The First Amendment applies to Congress (federal government) and is applicable to state governments through the Fourteenth Amendment. See Gitlow v. New York 268 U.S. 652 (1925):
"For present purposes we may and do assume that freedom of speech and of the press -- which are protected by the First Amendment from abridgment by Congress -- are among the fundamental personal rights and "liberties" protected by the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment from impairment by the States . . . It is a fundamental principle, long established, that the freedom of speech and of the press which is secured by the Constitution, does not confer an absolute right to speak or publish, without responsibility, whatever one may choose, or an unrestricted and unbridled license that gives immunity for every possible use of language and prevents the punishment of those who abuse this freedom."
The title of your thread is "Only Fascists Assail Free Speech". Your post sets forth 4 premises:
Briefly, your 4 premises are:
1) 47 percent of people [of 1006 people who responded to a telephone survey] identified "freedom of speech" as the most important freedom; 2) 59 percent of people [surveyed] could identify "freedom of speech" as a freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment; 3) The majority of the people [surveyed] believe the First Amendment does not go too far in protecting freedom; and 4) 51 percent of the "liberals" [surveyed], 50% of moderates [surveyed], and 37% of conservatives [surveyed], agreed with the statement, "the news media attempt to report stories without bias."
Based on these premises, you concluded: "Where Liberalism is strongest, one is least likely to find free speech." Your conclusion is not the same as your title: "Only Fascists Assail Free Speech".
Your argument is neither valid or sound. It is not valid because, even if we assume your premises are true, that does not mean your conclusion is true. It is not sound, because your premises do not support your conclusion.
None of your premises discuss "Fascists", so your title is deceptive. None of your premises include any facts showing that Liberals have abused the power of our state and federal government to deprive you or anyone else of "freedom of speech."