Zone1 One Truth: Should Society Maintain a Moral Compass?

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Your statistics don't apply to any specific individual.

Of course they do. When one is happy two things happen; dopamine is released which is what gives us that happy feeling and all the learning centers of the mind are switched on. You want to argue about the science some more?

 

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Disagree because of the improbability.

Why is cause and effect improbable?

 

[alang1216]

An improbability based on what is required for the inanimate to make the leap to the living (which you have no clue about) and the massive amount of information packed into genetics.

OK, so what is required for the inanimate to make the leap to the living? How did it happen? Did God make a man from dust or did he create a bacteria and let it evolve?

 

[alang1216]

Of course they do. When one is happy two things happen; dopamine is released which is what gives us that happy feeling and all the learning centers of the mind are switched on. You want to argue about the science some more?

So you have 33% more dopamine than I do?

 

[alang1216]

Why is cause and effect improbable?

It is improbable that your long chain of assumptions hold water.

 

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OK, so what is required for the inanimate to make the leap to the living?

You are learning.

A long linear chain of nitrogen, carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen in a specific sequence that twists, bends, and folds into a unique three-dimensional structure by accident.

How did it happen?

"Something" provided the instructions so that it wasn't an accident.

Did God make a man from dust or did he create a bacteria and let it evolve?

The God of Abraham or the Creator? It's important to know who you are discussing, right?

 

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So you have 33% more dopamine than I do?

How much dopamine do you think your neutral state "clear headedness" from atheism produces?

 

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It is improbable that your long chain of assumptions hold water.

What long chain of assumptions would that be because you seem to be skipping steps. I am talking about cause and effect. Do you suppose there is no cause for man to desire virtue? Do you suppose that just happened randomly?

 

[alang1216]

What long chain of assumptions would that be because you seem to be skipping steps. I am talking about cause and effect. Do you suppose there is no cause for man to desire virtue? Do you suppose that just happened randomly?

Some people desire virtue, some desire wealth, some desire power, some desire fame, some desire sex, some desire thrills, etc. Seems pretty random to me.

 

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Some people desire virtue, some desire wealth, some desire power, some desire fame, some desire sex, some desire thrills, etc. Seems pretty random to me.

And yet you don't make arguments for immoralities, right? Ever, right? Do you see a lot of people arguing for unfairness? Injustice?

 

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Some people desire virtue, some desire wealth, some desire power, some desire fame, some desire sex, some desire thrills, etc. Seems pretty random to me.

What was it you said? You NEVER choose to make immoral choices? To behave immorally?

Yeah, man desires virtue alright. And that is an effect and there is a cause which I already explained to you.

 

[IM2]

Opinions swirl through society. There are many opinions, but one truth. Moral relativity (what is right for thee is not right for me) abounds. Those who uphold one truth over opinions are labeled judgmental, discriminatory, bigoted, merciless.

Society can either choose moral relativity or one truth. As far back as Biblical times, societies failed during times of moral relativity and struggled to return to the Rule of Law–or one truth.

What say you? With the “Equality Act”, Congress is pushing American society into moral relativity and even into government regulation/insistence of this moral relativity into churches and faith communities. Is moral relativity the answer, or should we be seeking a society that maintains its moral compass of one truth?

This nation has never had a moral compass, and one group deciding what a moral compass would be for everybody is not the way to get one, either.

 

[Woodznutz]

Start with a moral issue.
Look at opinions being given.
Do any of these opinions represent truth, or are they simply feelings or opinions?

The transgender issue is recent--an issue where many have opinions. What is the truth? Take the example of someone who was born with xy chromosomes. Truth: Biologically, the is a male. However, since he feels or has the opinion he wants to be female or considered female, should he be allowed in women's restrooms, women's sports, or if in prison have taxpayers pay for hormones/surgeries? Some might say yes. Others might say, the truth is that this person is male. He needs psychiatric assistance to face the truth of who/what he is.

My question is, Should society adopt moral relativity and allow everyone to base his/her decision on how they feel--and should those people push Congress to pass an "Equality Act" that, under law, will force everyone else in society to go along with those individual personal feelings/opinions/delusions?

If a man or woman wants to change their gender identity, they should be free do so when they reach the age of majority. However, it should be their cross to bear. Others shouldn't be forced to accommodate them.

 

[Meriweather]

This nation has never had a moral compass, and one group deciding what a moral compass would be for everybody is not the way to get one, either.

Out of curiosity, have you ever heard of the Hays Code? The 18th Amendment (repealed with 21st Amendment)? Years abortion was illegal? Prayer was standard in schools for over 200 years.

 

[IM2]

Out of curiosity, have you ever heard of the Hays Code? The 18th Amendment (repealed with 21st Amendment)? Years abortion was illegal? Prayer was standard in schools for over 200 years.

This is the problem with individuals like you. You ignore the vast immorality that was going on here for superficial things. The Hays Code wa in effect while the movie studios were openly discriminating against black people an directors were forcing women to have sex with them for roles in movies. The 18th Amendment didn't end Jim Crow. Abortion being illegal didn't top lynching, slaves being raped, buck dancing, or sex parties. Prayer in school didn't stop slavery or school segregation. So like I said:

America has never had a moral code.

 

[Leo123]

You meant to say it is beyond your understanding how life evolved from where there was no life.


Hint, they are 4 in number.


If you believe God did it, how exactly did that happen? Is there any evidence of it?

I believe there is no evidence of evolution of first life. You can’t prove it so you insult like a dumb troll.

 

[Meriweather]

This is the problem with individuals like you. You ignore the vast immorality that was going on here for superficial things. The Hays Code wa in effect while the movie studios were openly discriminating against black people an directors were forcing women to have sex with them for roles in movies. The 18th Amendment didn't end Jim Crow. Abortion being illegal didn't top lynching, slaves being raped, buck dancing, or sex parties. Prayer in school didn't stop slavery or school segregation. So like I said:

America has never had a moral code.

1. Is Hollywood still discriminating against black people.
2. Is slavery still a part of American society?
3. Are people still being lynched?

The OP began with asking should we, as a society, maintain a moral code? Understand that having a code or law has never prevented the law being broken. Because laws and codes are broken, should we not bother maintaining either? It is usually government that shrugs away morality, telling the people immorality is okay....Abortion, euthanasia, adultery, divorce, fornication, shoplifting (under a certain amount), etc. Government gives its blessing to all of these.

The problem with having laws or codes, is people then expect someone to enforce those laws/codes which I asked whether society should maintain a moral code. I expect the national government to protect the nation, maintain transportation, and trade. Why should the national government announce no school prayer? It appears the government is more apt to fuss over prayer in school than the taking of innocent life. Shouldn't the federal government should have the same "don't care if you do or don't" attitude on both issues as neither have to do with protecting the country, transportation, or trade.

It is society, not government that should be tackling all personal matters. As Congress cannot even tackle something as simple as that twice yearly time change, why are we looking to them to figure out whether men should be allowed in women's sports and other societal issues.

What say you: Can/should society maintain a moral compass? And how can we keep government away from that compass?

 

[alang1216]

What was it you said? You NEVER choose to make immoral choices? To behave immorally?

Yeah, man desires virtue alright. And that is an effect and there is a cause which I already explained to you.

Do you believe wealth, power, fame, sex, or thrills are immoral choices?

 

[alang1216]

I believe there is no evidence of evolution of first life. You can’t prove it so you insult like a dumb troll.

Your ignorance was never in doubt, there is no need to continue to demonstrate it. I hope one day you'll comprehend the ignorance you just demonstrated with this post but I'm not hopeful.

 

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Do you believe wealth, power, fame, sex, or thrills are immoral choices?

I think that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I think you are afraid to consider cause and effect.