One simple reason why I will vote for McCain

[Dirt McGirt]

A day later....

Nickd is nowhere to be found.

All he said was that he heard about it in a Clinton interview and bounced.

@ nickd

 

[AVG-JOE]

Your tax bracket will not reach 49%. Show it to me, you might actually convince me to change my vote. Otherwise retract the statement.

One reason I will vote for Obama, but not the only reason, is that during the campaign every other major political figure in the elections has eventually come round to following his lead.

Clinton did it on the Iraq pullout.

Bush also did it on the pullout.

McCain did it on calling for unity between parties, on picking a rock star running mate, and a few other things.

People follow him, even the other side follows him. They recognize his good judgement, and so do I.

Another reason that I will vote for obama is because his team is phenomenally organized and disciplined. He out-organized Clinton, he out-disciplined her too, and he tops McCain here too.

He's the leader in the field.

One reason I won't for McCain is because he can't keep Sunni and Shia straight, and that seems pretty critical if the greatest threat to us is islamofascism in the middle east. Obama doesn't confuse these groups, incidentally.

I like it!

-J

 

[AVG-JOE]

So... what is this "change" you think you're going to get with hussein, other than higher taxes and government fucked up health care?

One of the first thing Obama brings up in his published vision statement is his distain for Professional Lobbyists and Political Action Committees. I share that distain.

His stated opinion is that taxes in this country are unfair. I would be happy if there wasn't so much fucking paperwork.

Seriously though, If Obama gets nothing done in an 8 year administration but the permanent closing of the Lobbyist psudo-branch of government in DC, it will be worth the salary we pay him for those 8.

Professional lobbying is one I bet the Founding Fathers didn't see coming...

-Joe

 

[Ame®icano]

I will only vote in this election because of Palin. My purpose would be to show my support for the person who most closely represents a conservative outsider.

Smells like wishfull thinking for McCain to kick the bucket sometimes after the election.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Please show me some change that Obama is responsable for. Talking it, dont make it so. He is less likely to change things than anyone else running. Dont delude yourself.
ANd when you talk about all the taxes you pay on top of income taxes, fees, charges, (look at your phone bill, cable bill, etc, etc. )yea, 49% isnt far fetched for a middle class person. ANd obama, correct me if Im wrong, opposes keeping the income tax cuts, which is the same as raising them.

The reason I'm going to vote for Obama is that I believe, in the privacy of my own mind, that he outfoxed the owners of both political parties by usurping Hillary and those check books are nervous about about there own futures for the first time in 20 years.

For the first election in my 36 years of voting I am excited about an election.

Not because I'm an 'Obama zombie, it's just that this is the first election I've ever seen that was not scripted by the checkbooks that prop up both the DNC and the RNC.

This isn't about Obama, it's about change. Change I am deciding to buy into because there is already something different. This election.

I know, I know... that was more than one reason - I can't help it... I'm excited!

-Joe

-Joe

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Why? Someone has to pay for Bush's war.

Bush's war??? Congress didnt vote on it and fund it?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Bush's war??? Congress didnt vote on it and fund it?

Actually they voted to allow the President to make the final decision whether we went to war or not. There was no official declaration of war from Congress. Apparently the Constitution doesn't really matter.

 

[editec]

Congress authorized the war by funding it.

What do you think all those " Support the Troops" bumper sticker blather was about?

Any member of Congress who had the audacity to suggest we should not fund the war was accused of not supporting the troops.

The vast majority of idiots sporting those bumper stickers did so, thinking it was their patriotic duty to support the troops by plastering their cars with bumper stickers, and then the political water was so polluted with that toxic lie that anyone who objected to the war was accused of objecting to the troops.

That unthinking jingoistic drumbeat was so loud over America that any real substantive debate about this policy was virtually impossible without being called things like terrorist sympathizer, or anti-American

Stupid Americans love a good war -- especially one that they didn't have to sacrifice anything to show their sunshine patriotism for.

And let's face it, plastering stupid bumper stickers on one's car isn't exactly a whole lot of trouble, now, is it?

That the political system for getting messages out in this mendacious times.

Issues of tremendous importance are reduced to misleading thought-bites for the benefit of happily uniformed and the militantly uniformable.

 

[bigdaddygtr]

This is about the uptenth time you posted this and been debunked. Presidents don't control spending, Congress does....

And for the first 6 years, who controlled Congress again?

 

[AVG-JOE]

Please show me some change that Obama is responsable for. Talking it, dont make it so. He is less likely to change things than anyone else running. Dont delude yourself.
ANd when you talk about all the taxes you pay on top of income taxes, fees, charges, (look at your phone bill, cable bill, etc, etc. )yea, 49% isnt far fetched for a middle class person. ANd obama, correct me if Im wrong, opposes keeping the income tax cuts, which is the same as raising them.

I'll assume from your statement that you have not read Obamas tax plan on his website, or you are sittin' pretty high up on this ol' hog we call America.

The fact of Obamas youth and lack of accomplishments in our current political system is the one thing that gives me hope in his candidacy.

Instead of wasting his time playing the profitable game that Washington has become since World War II. He spent his time figuring out how he could help take our government back for people like his mom, who died too young. We don't need the best player of the game in DC. We need a leader who can help We, The People wrest the government back from the deep pockets who have been buying up and consolidating power like they buy up and consolidate profitable enterprises for their own gain.

He is a leader with a reasonable vision and plan if you read it with an open mind.

There will be one of 3 and only 3 outcomes to an Obama Presidency:

1. He is on the level, capable and will have enough help from Congress and The People to clean up part of the mess we call government.

2. He is on the level but weak and unsupported. If this happens, shame on us.

3. He is lying and saying what The People want to hear in order to do the same thing every President since Eisenhower has done. Line his own pockets and reward his friends.

Give me a mistake prone leader over the next well groomed, well paid patsy of the DNC and RNC any election. It is the unscripted nature of this election that excites me. That was supposed to be a controllable Hillary getting the nod last Thursday; if you were going by the script written by the money behind the power in this country.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Please show me some change that Obama is responsable for. Talking it, dont make it so. He is less likely to change things than anyone else running. Dont delude yourself.
ANd when you talk about all the taxes you pay on top of income taxes, fees, charges, (look at your phone bill, cable bill, etc, etc. )yea, 49% isnt far fetched for a middle class person. ANd obama, correct me if Im wrong, opposes keeping the income tax cuts, which is the same as raising them.

I'll assume from your statement that you have not read Obamas tax plan on his website, or you are sittin' pretty high up on this ol' hog we call America.

The fact of Obamas youth and lack of accomplishments in our current political system is the one thing that gives me hope in his candidacy.

Instead of wasting his time playing the profitable game that Washington has become since World War II. He spent his time figuring out how he could help take our government back for people like his mom, who died too young. We don't need the best player of the game in DC. We need a leader who can help We, The People wrest the government back from the deep pockets who have been buying up and consolidating power like they buy up and consolidate profitable enterprises for their own gain.

He is a leader with a reasonable vision and plan if you read it with an open mind.

There will be one of 3 and only 3 outcomes to an Obama Presidency:

1. He is on the level, capable and will have enough help from Congress and The People to clean up part of the mess we call government. If this happens, Woo Hoo!

2. He is on the level but weak and unsupported. If this happens, shame on us.

3. He is lying and saying what The People want to hear in order to do the same thing every President since Eisenhower has done. Line his own pockets and reward his friends. If this happens, We, The People will revolt again later. Surely no one expects us to keep living this way for long.

Give me a young and passionate leader over the next mistake free, well groomed, well paid patsy of the DNC and RNC any election. It is the unscripted nature of this election that excites me. That was supposed to be a controllable Hillary getting the nod last Thursday if you were going by the script written by the money behind the power in this country.

-Joe

 

[imthatplainjane]

interesting views, guys...but what would you do if YOU were president?

I'll admit, some people have got some really funny and clever ideas out that--and all they have to do is make a short video for a chance to win a trip to NY.


here's this blurb about it. I think i'm gonna do it

Enter Indecision 2008's Virtual Podium Contest, sponsored by Comcast, for your chance to win a trip to rustic, out of the way New York City and two passes to Comedy Central's exclusive, star-studded election night party! Simply make a video where you lay out your presidential platform in two minutes or less. It's totally easy and there are TEN trips available!! Happy campaigning

 

[Caligirl]

Are you a plant from Comedy Central? Curious -

 

[DiveCon]

Are you a plant from Comedy Central? Curious -

clearly SPAMMING for them

 

[jreeves]

And for the first 6 years, who controlled Congress again?

For Bush's terms Republicans, Reagan's presidency was controlled by Democrats. Let me ask you this though, why is it, that the defecit is larger than ever before in US history? With whom in charge?

 

[DiveCon]

For Bush's terms Republicans, Reagan's presidency was controlled by Democrats. Let me ask you this though, why is it, that the defecit is larger than ever before in US history? With whom in charge?

Meh, i fault both parties for spending like drunken sailors and that might be an insult to drunken sailor(any Navy vets on the forum, not meant as an insult)

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Ya know, what I dont get is how you guys can think that by making THE MONSTER BIGGER we can get back control of it. Please splain that to me.

I'll assume from your statement that you have not read Obamas tax plan on his website, or you are sittin' pretty high up on this ol' hog we call America.

The fact of Obamas youth and lack of accomplishments in our current political system is the one thing that gives me hope in his candidacy.

Instead of wasting his time playing the profitable game that Washington has become since World War II. He spent his time figuring out how he could help take our government back for people like his mom, who died too young. We don't need the best player of the game in DC. We need a leader who can help We, The People wrest the government back from the deep pockets who have been buying up and consolidating power like they buy up and consolidate profitable enterprises for their own gain.

He is a leader with a reasonable vision and plan if you read it with an open mind.

There will be one of 3 and only 3 outcomes to an Obama Presidency:

1. He is on the level, capable and will have enough help from Congress and The People to clean up part of the mess we call government.

2. He is on the level but weak and unsupported. If this happens, shame on us.

3. He is lying and saying what The People want to hear in order to do the same thing every President since Eisenhower has done. Line his own pockets and reward his friends.

Give me a mistake prone leader over the next well groomed, well paid patsy of the DNC and RNC any election. It is the unscripted nature of this election that excites me. That was supposed to be a controllable Hillary getting the nod last Thursday; if you were going by the script written by the money behind the power in this country.

 

[Care4all]

For Bush's terms Republicans, Reagan's presidency was controlled by Democrats. Let me ask you this though, why is it, that the defecit is larger than ever before in US history? With whom in charge?

the first 6 years of this president's BUDGET, lead us to the largest deficit/national debt in our recent history....in 6 years his policies along with Congress passing the president's budget, put us in this terrible mess....our deficit will continue to grow at this level unless we can take back some of the tax cuts, revise and reform the Medicare Pill Bill and medicare in general, and cut other unnecessary spending like the waste that has come to our attention in the Defense arena....

We are in big trouble, big, big, big trouble and DRASTIC measures have to be taken or we are going to go belly up...the only thing that can improve this situation is cutting spending waste and a phenominal Economy and bull market combined.....imho.

The President and his policies SETS the Budget, the congress passes it with their minor tweeking....
Care

 

[editec]

Meh, i fault both parties for spending like drunken sailors and that might be an insult to drunken sailor(any Navy vets on the forum, not meant as an insult)

Hard to take offense when one speaks the truth, DC.

I fondly recall my years in the NAV, but mostly my recollections are somewhat blurry... thanks to untaxed alcohol.

 

[Caligirl]

Ya know, what I dont get is how you guys can think that by making THE MONSTER BIGGER we can get back control of it. Please splain that to me.

I think some people see the monster as ballooning government. Bush ran as a conservative, as a fiscal conservative I believe, yet he delivered something different. SO the credibility of the party in general is a little tattered.

McCain has a decent record on opposing pork though, which is one of the good reasons that he ultimately won the nomination.

But other people see the monster as being that the corporations are being preferntially rewarded while the middle class gets progressively squeezed. In other words the gap beitween wealth and getting by is getting bigger and bigger.

One way to think about it is that socialism lies at one end of the spectrum and capitalism at the othr. A purely socialist society is way wrong, because without capitalism you lose innovation and motivation. On the other hand a purely capitalist society comes with equally bad problems, in that the corporations get bloated and people get trounced underfoot. You need a balance.

Whether you think we've gone too far in one direction or the other is for you to decide, but them's the divisions as I see 'em.