One simple question for MAGA. Do you support Trump's support for Putin in the Ukraine Situation?

[martybegan]

Another 4 years of Russia fighting will mean another million+ of their soldiers will be killed, billions will be spent by Russia and it would likely be the end of Putin being the ruler of Russia. I think that would be worth it

Hasn't happened in 2.5 years of stalemate, and Russia has been gaining ground over that time.

 

[DGS49]

TRUMP HASN'T DONE ANYTHING YET!

He is holding meetings and discussions. NOBODY KNOWS what he has agreed to, if anything, other than the side agreement with Zelensky about mineral rights in Ukraine (some of which are in Russia-controlled territory).

What we do know is this: The US and NATO have previously assured Russia that Ukraine would never become a part of NATO. This would be the equivalent 50 years ago of Canada becoming part of the USSR. We would not accept that then, and Russia will not accept NATO on its doorstep today.

We also know that Ukraine's borders (which were established by Nikita Kruschev in the 1950's) will not be the same as they were in 2010. It's just a fact.

The TDS crowd will scream that Trump is giving in to Putin, blah, blah, blah, but that is nonsense. Trump promised to end the hostilities and he will do that - something that the Biden Administration failed miserably, when war could have easily been avoided with a simple affirmation that "we" would not make Ukraine a NATO member.

 

[Luckyone]

Do whatever it takes to end the slaughter and normalize relations with the Russians pursuant to a lasting peace.

Two World Wars were quite enough for most people yet you armchair general, sock puppets won't be happy until we start another one.

LATING PEACE? You mean to say that Putin will stop being Putin? You mean to say that China will back off being their friend and knowing how we gave in, would use this an excuse to take over Taiwan?

Why did Putin do this in the first place? Why did they not want LASTING PEACE before THEY started a war? You truly believe that Dictators will stop being Dictators and stop their desire to have more? Really? You truly believe that this action will bring LASTING peace?

 

[NetJedi]

Trump isn’t negotiating an end to war; he’s trying to negotiate a surrender.

STAND WITH UKRAINE

LOL

Heard all this nonsense before, ended up being called "The Vietnam War", save all your Warhawk bullshit for somebody that doesn't know any better.

I'm the one standing with Ukraine by advocating the end to the slaughter of Ukrainians, you on the other hand seem perfectly happy with more people dying as long as Donald Trump doesn't get to chalk one up in the win column.

 

[NetJedi]

LATING PEACE? You mean to say that Putin will stop being Putin? You mean to say that China will back off being their friend and knowing how we gave in, would use this an excuse to take over Taiwan?

LOL, You really do not understand geopolitics, do you? For starters it was your boy Joey that drove the Russians into the arms of the Chinese with his idiotic financial sanctions, secondly Russia made very clear that they would not tolerate what the U.S. was trying to pull in Ukraine BEFORE THEY INVADED, we ignored them.

It's funny how you Warhawks are just fine tolerating relations with dictators all over the world as long as they're not Russian.

Why did Putin do this in the first place?

Duh, because the U.S. meddled in the internal politics of Ukraine to overthrow the elected government, because the U.S. continually promised to admit Ukraine into NATO and put a hostile military alliance right on Russia's doorstep. Do You think the United States would allow such things to happen in say Mexico? If you do, you're an idiot, if you don't then your hypocrite.

 

[hadit]

Being forced to give up natural resources for peace sounds like strong arm tactics to me.

No one says they have to. In fact, there are no terms on the table at all. The Peace President has just entered the scene and is starting the negotiation process.

 

[CowboyTed]

Another 4 years of Russia fighting will mean another million+ of their soldiers will be killed, billions will be spent by Russia and it would likely be the end of Putin being the ruler of Russia. I think that would be worth it

If it takes that, i is probably worth it...

Russia has to acknowledge that this was a serious mistake and they will have to pay for it..

Personally, I think we can finish off this war in less than a year if we give Ukraine the proper firepower and Air Supremacy....
Humiliate Putin, explain to Russians that we don't blame the people we blame the leader and the leader has to go... War reparations & drop sanctions and lets all go back to normal...

 

[westwall]

It is quite evident that Trump loves or admires Putin and that he is in favor of him over our allies of many years.

Here is the latest example of that:

US votes against condemning Russia for Ukraine war as Trump admin chases peace deal. Russia, North Korea join US in voting against Europe-backed Ukrainian resolution at the UN​

NATO has always been an ally of the United States. How is it possible that Trump has now gone against NATO and in favor of Russia?

In the last 5 days, here are 2 statements from Trump

Trump calls Zelensky 'dictator' as rift between two leaders deepens

Trump refuses to call Putin a dictator after Zelensky attack: ‘I don’t use those words

So tell me, are you for or against Trump in this situation?

False claim.

 

[NetJedi]

If it takes that, i is probably worth it...

Yeah as long as it's not you or anybody you care about doing the dying and having their homes, communities and cities destroyed, right?

Bloodthirsty Warhawks never cease to amaze.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yeah as long as it's not you or anybody you care about doing the dying and having their homes, communities and cities destroyed, right?

Bloodthirsty Warhawks never cease to amaze.

They’re just being silly to avoid admitting that Trump is dealing with Ukraine, better than Biden did.

They weren’t advocating for any of that when Biden was president.

 

[CowboyTed]

Yeah as long as it's not you or anybody you care about doing the dying and having their homes, communities and cities destroyed, right?

Bloodthirsty Warhawks never cease to amaze.

Let's be clear... This is Europe, there is a history of letting dictators off easy and paying for it later...

Russia invaded, they are the aggressors, they can fuck off at home anytime they want...

Ukraine deserve all their land back and war reparations, join NATO and EU
Let's start there...
If Russia doesn't accept, prepare to put another million Russians in the ground...

That's how you start negotiations..

 

[Cellblock2429]

What negotiation? Trump and Putin are trying to strong-arm Ukraine.

/---/ When the peace deal and rare earth minerals are coming to the US as payment of everything we sent them, I wonder how quickly you will admit you were wrong.

 

[CowboyTed]

/---/ When the peace deal and rare earth minerals are coming to the US as payment of everything we sent them, I wonder how quickly you will admit you were wrong.

The peace deal is a surrender...

And the Rare Earth Metals are extortion...

I think you missed the face Trump gave when Marcon said that the EU have frozen $300bn of Russian assets and that is what they are paying for them.. Stupid **** looked like his pocket money was stolen...
Then Marcon and the reporters went into the complicated uses that can be done with that money under international law.. Trump looked clueless, he had no clue what they were talking about...

 

[NetJedi]

Let's be clear... This is Europe, there is a history of letting dictators off easy and paying for it later...

Russia invaded, they are the aggressors, they can fuck off at home anytime they want...

Russia invaded in large part because of the policies being pursued by the United States and Europe. Russia was no more going to tolerate a hostile military alliance on their doorstep than the United States would have allowed the Warsaw Pact into Mexico, nor were they going to tolerate a hostile U.S. meddling in the internal politics of a neighboring country like we did in 2014.

Ukraine deserve all their land back and war reparations, join NATO and EU
Let's start there...
If Russia doesn't accept, prepare to put another million Russians in the ground...

That's how you start negotiations..

That's just an asinine approach which will result in more death and destruction, more U.S. and European treasure wasted, Russians occupying ever more territory in Ukraine and a deterioration of the Ukrainian negotiating position.

This has become a war of attrition that the Ukrainians CANNOT WIN because they lack the manpower to do so. Not to mention every day that it continues creates increasing risk of escalation involving nuclear armed powers.

 

[Luckyone]

LOL, You really do not understand geopolitics, do you? For starters it was your boy Joey that drove the Russians into the arms of the Chinese with his idiotic financial sanctions, secondly Russia made very clear that they would not tolerate what the U.S. was trying to pull in Ukraine BEFORE THEY INVADED, we ignored them.

It's funny how you Warhawks are just fine tolerating relations with dictators all over the world as long as they're not Russian.

Duh, because the U.S. meddled in the internal politics of Ukraine to overthrow the elected government, because the U.S. continually promised to admit Ukraine into NATO and put a hostile military alliance right on Russia's doorstep. Do You think the United States would allow such things to happen in say Mexico? If you do, you're an idiot, if you don't then your hypocrite.

What a total amount of bullshit.

It is now clearly evident that you do not value morals, ethics, principles or humanity. It is evident that you love strong people that bully their way to get what they want.

Your perfect world is to be ruled by a Putin or a Xi or a would-be-but-is-too-incompetent-to-be dictator like Trump that will fuck everything up and accomplish chaos where anarchy will rule.

You better hope that in that world, YOU are strong enough to beat others like you that want to take what you have and there is no one to stop or punish other than you.

 

[NetJedi]

What a total amount of bullshit.

It is now clearly evident that you do not value morals, ethics, principles or humanity.

LOL, because I want the slaughter to end?

Sheesh... your moral compass is not just broken it's been completely transformed into a pentagram.

Bad news Lucifer, peace is coming, and President Trump is the one bringing it.

 

[CowboyTed]

Russia invaded in large part because of the policies being pursued by the United States and Europe. Russia was no more going to tolerate a hostile military alliance on their doorstep than the United States would have allowed the Warsaw Pact into Mexico, nor were they going to tolerate a hostile U.S. meddling in the internal politics of a neighboring country like we did in 2014.

False...
Please read article 1 of Budapest Memeorandum
1. Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders

Get that... i.e. Ukraine can do what they fucking like...
Ukraine were not joining NATO until Russia invaded them in 2014... Putin was making that a reality.
You are parroting Russian Propaganda.

That's just an asinine approach which will result in more death and destruction, more U.S. and European treasure wasted, Russians occupying ever more territory in Ukraine and a deterioration of the Ukrainian negotiating position.

Nope... Russia is a busted flush as a military. They have lost all their experienced soldiers and they are now just pumping bodies into the meat grinder.. I am suprised you don't know this...
Give Ukraine Air Supremacy (using a Mercenary Airforce) and the Russian army will fold...
Very hard to see the 100,000s of Russian lives lost for small advancement and then see it regathered in a few days...

This has become a war of attrition that the Ukrainians CANNOT WIN because they lack the manpower to do so. Not to mention every day that it continues creates increasing risk of escalation involving nuclear armed powers.

Give the Air Supremacy, game over...

 

[Seymour Flops]

Ukraine deserve all their land back and war reparations, join NATO and EU
Let's start there...
If Russia doesn't accept, prepare to put another million Russians in the ground...

That's how you start negotiations..

Why didn’t Biden do that?

 

[NetJedi]

False...

Why because you say so?

Please read article 1 of Budapest Memeorandum
1. Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders

Get that... i.e. Ukraine can do what they fucking like...
Ukraine were not joining NATO until Russia invaded them in 2014... Putin was making that a reality.
You are parroting Russian Propaganda.

...And you are parroting U.S. and European propaganda. Like I've already pointed out the U.S. would have never allowed the Warsaw Pact into Mexico, heck we were ready to start a nuclear war over Soviet Missiles in Cuba and We invaded Iraq pursuant to a PRE-EMPTIVE foreign policy for cryin' out loud. The United States has no moral high ground to lecture ANYBODY about invasions.

Give the Air Supremacy, game over...

Yeah, shooting war between nuclear armed NATO and nuclear armed Russia, GAME OVER human civilization.

 

[CowboyTed]

What a total amount of bullshit.

It is now clearly evident that you do not value morals, ethics, principles or humanity. It is evident that you love strong people that bully their way to get what they want.

Your perfect world is to be ruled by a Putin or a Xi or a would-be-but-is-too-incompetent-to-be dictator like Trump that will fuck everything up and accomplish chaos where anarchy will rule.

You better hope that in that world, YOU are strong enough to beat others like you that want to take what you have and there is no one to stop or punish other than you.

Luckyone
The guy is a troll...
Russia is on its knees right now, and Donny Dum Dum is flushing US reputation down the toilet so he can get Ukraine to surrender.

NetJedi knows this is a fucking disaster but he is balls deep in Donny Dum Dum... If he said what he really thought, he would be called an idiot for drinking Kool Aid from a NEW York Con man....