One simple question for MAGA. Do you support Trump's support for Putin in the Ukraine Situation?

[Correll]

Putin is a WAR CRIMINAL, for his attack on the Ukrainian people....he, and he alone caused ALL OF THE DEATHS, AND KIDNAPPING OF UKRAINIAN CHILDREN, AND DESTRUCTION OF UKRAINIAN INFRASTRUCTURE.

LOL. I knew that would trigger one of you lefties.

SUre, the invasion was Putins choice and it is his moral responsibility.

But the situation now is that Putin seems ready to call it a day, while Zelensky is not.


It is also clear that you, as a liberal, is far more focused on scoring partisan points against Trump, than you are with the lives of thousands of innocent ukrainian men, women and children.

Why in the hell of hells, would Trump Give Putin EVERYTHING HE WANTS?

Putin wanted all of ukraine and to be in a position to threaten further west. HE gets none of that. INdeed, his army is revealed to have been weaker than thought and now, after the bloodletting, to be even weaker. That's a huge hit to him and his political capital. THat's a huge L for him. He will try to spin it with his people, but the world knows.

Or even talk with Putin FIRST?

Because the war has reached a bloody stalemate, where neither side has the means to achieve their goals. So, continuing the figthing is only getting people killed in large numbers for literally NO REASON.

Trump is creating the biblical and earthly, NEW WORLD ORDER....where America sides with the bad guys....

Ending this war, with a negotiated peace is not siding with the bad guys. This is the best thing we can do for the Ukrainian people.

Why oh why would any American support this? Because Trump says to? You got your brainwashing orders and must always always agree with him?

Becuase it is the right thing to do. We don't want to see more ukrainians die.

What in the heck is wrong with you guys?

Said the lib that refuses to be honest about why they support this war.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

So, you actually think you should be giving a KILLER a reason to work with you? He is a killer. If he repents for killing innocent people, you don't think he should be the one to take the first step?

After all, if you are the one giving him an opportunity, he will know that it is important to you and that means he has an advantage. You want to give a killer an advantage over you?


No, the way to do it is to make it impossible for him to continue the fight. You make his life miserable so that he has NO OTHER OPTION than to come to the table.

I am surprised in your answer, you being a Trump supporter, given that Trump shows himself to be a strong man that says to everyone "My way or the Highway" but with Putin, he is not doing that. He is saying to Putin "you call the shots". Where is the strong man in that?

You can't do that to Russia. Democrats have had three years to make Russia's life miserable and haven't done it.

What we have to do is get rid of the notion, the very idea that because Trump wants peace and Putin wants peace, peace is bad.

 

[Correll]

Like I said from my first post on this, This is a fight for freedom and for justice. We all need to defend that because if we allow the enemy to win, we have not accomplished anything.

Mmm, now you have added "JUSTICE"? Keep raising that bar are you? YOu really want this to go on forever. But you won't say why.

As such, the FIRST step to accomplishing that is to make the enemy STOP his attacks. This has to be done without ANY compromise.

Actually, no it doesn't. That claim is unsupported and disproven by thousands of historical examples where the aggressor was stopped with various forms of compromise.

After that happens, it is up to Ukrainians (not you or I) to decide whether they are willing to pay the price (allowing Russia to keep the land it has conquered) for no further attacks to come in the future.

Except, the cost and the risk is not bore solely by the Ukrainians, and they need our support to have a chance of even surviving. So, that's not true.

AND, more to the point, you are using that lie, to avoid admitting what it is that you are getting from this war. You are getting something. The left is really, really triggered by this talk of a peace deal. There is something in the war for you, but you won't admit what it is.

Stopping the war should not be compromised on. Russia invaded and killed innocents and he needs to stop with no compromise involved.

Unsupported assertion. Russia stopping with a compromise, would be great for the thousands of people that won't die then, not to mention the millions that would benefit from the rebuilding that could then happen.

If he doesn't stop, he should be made to pay a price.

Russian has been bled WHITE. They have paid an enormous price already. This has been a disaster for them.


They hoped that this would be a way to increase their nation's power and status and instead it has greatly REDUCED it.




Thus, we see that your assertions are false, your excuses for wanting more war are false and that you refuse to be honest about why you support this war.


ALSO, another point to be made, about the Ukrainians. You made the point that we should be just deferring to their wishes.

If a friend, or ally is making a mistake, perhaps based on being too close to the problem or simply being to pissed off to think clearly,

supporting them while they continue to fight and die when VICTORY is not possible, is not doing them a favor. It is using them, in the most vile way possible.

 

[konradv]

That's dumb. There are other possible explanations for why russia is talking and they have been presented to you already.

YOu are LYING, when you pretend that there is only one possible reason for Putin to "be talking".

And, let's be real here, by "talking" you mean, OPEN TO ENDING THE BLOODY WAR AND THE MASSIVE HUMAN SUFFERING.






I just answered that. Becasue we think that the war is a bloody stalemate that is just killing people for no point.


It is one thing for you to disagree with me about what the strategic situation is.

It is another for you to lie and pretend that you are UNAWARE that different opinions than your own even EXIST, especially after I have repeatedly explained them to you.


That is you being a bad faith debater.


And let's keep in mind, that you are LYING in support of a war that is resulting in the deaths of thousands of men, women and children.


And you refuse to be honest about why, or what you want from it.

That is not good.

You manage to spot my “lies” about Russia, but ignore Trump’s lies about Ukraine. Hypocrite!

BTW, what you call lies someone with more integrity would call an opinion

 

[Correll]

You manage to spot my “lies” about Russia, but ignore Trump’s lies about Ukraine. Hypocrite!

BTW, what you call lies someone with more integrity would call an opinion

If you were being honest, you should try to support your OPINION that russia is losing as opposed to it being a bloody statemate.


All you have done is assert it, repeatedly without any attempt to support it.


And you keep doing so, in such a way that denies the possiblity of other options, when they have been repeatedly explained to you, which is a lie.