One simple question for MAGA. Do you support Trump's support for Putin in the Ukraine Situation?

Do you support Trump favoring Putin against Zelenski?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 52.9%
  • No

    Votes: 8 47.1%

  • Total voters
    17
Show me some data or information that negates what they say. If what thy are saying is wrong, you should know of a website that gives the correct information, no?
If you cannot even tell me who it is, why would I go on that website? That is cyber security 101.
War where the nation is getting hit is a situation that is a game changer. If you cannot understand that, then you cannot understand anything and that makes you someone not worth talking to.
The U.S. was not getting hit in a situation that was a game changer during the Civil War?

Really, that's your position?
Prove your point, if you can. Stop trying to convince people through words. Only total idiots or conmen do that.

Wow, what a question coming from someone that is supporting 2 dictators............Trump and Putin.
Both elected. Unlike Zelenskyy.
I can answer. You are just not worth the effort


When there is a valid and positive reason for withholding funds, it is supported
So, it is not "unconstutional" for a president to withold funds, you just disagree with Trump's reasons.
From your link, saying what Obama was attempting to do:

"to strong-arm the education establishment to accept more charter schools and performance pay for teachers".
Obama supported performance pay for teachers? I think you read that wrong. Teachers unions hate the idea of perforance pay.
What is the reason Trump is withholding funds and how is he doing it?
An incredible amount of fraud, waste and abuse, that is shocking to the American taxpayer. He is freezing the funds pending investigation of the fraud, waste and abuse.
 
they are still their lands. They were taken away by force, but they are Ukrainian lands and not Russian lands. That is not being on the offensive. That is recovering what is already yours.

So, you admit that you point about the "fighting stopping" was a lie.

Well, ok then.
 
It is quite evident that Trump loves or admires Putin and that he is in favor of him over our allies of many years.

Here is the latest example of that:

US votes against condemning Russia for Ukraine war as Trump admin chases peace deal. Russia, North Korea join US in voting against Europe-backed Ukrainian resolution at the UN

NATO has always been an ally of the United States. How is it possible that Trump has now gone against NATO and in favor of Russia?

In the last 5 days, here are 2 statements from Trump

Trump calls Zelensky 'dictator' as rift between two leaders deepens

Trump refuses to call Putin a dictator after Zelensky attack: ‘I don’t use those words

So tell me, are you for or against Trump in this situation?
/----/ Stupid question. It's like "are you still beating your wife? If yes, then why? If not, then why not?
Trump is supporting PEACE. He will not be lectured to nor allow further waste of taxpayer money.
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Your feelz are irrelevant. This is about saving democracy. Please, try and keep up!


Interesting. A lot to unpack there.

You asked a question/made a point, ie challenging me "who I was" to have a say in this issue, implying strongly that we own Ukraine an effective blank check, because they are defending themselves.

And I replied and answered, pointing out that I have a real role/stake in this war, as a part of MAGA.

First level. You made a point and when the point was counterpointed, instead of defending your point or conceeding your point, you simply moved on. At best the assumption is, that you are conceeding and moving on to other reasons that are part of the WHY of your policy posiiton.

BUT, we both know that is not the case. You didn't conceed, because you plan to use that again later, when you need to, even though that point has been refuted.

Second level. By making that point in the context of a discussion defending your position on the war, you thus had the unstated implication that that point was part of your belief system that led you to support the war. Yet, it being refuted, had no impact on you or your position. THus we see that that was not a true discussion point but just a talking point, you had been given, to throw at the wall, to see if it would stick.

So, that's a level of fail too.


And third level, and I think this is where it gets really interesting. This is that your response attacks teh idea that my feelings are relevant, while our previous point, was all about my stake in the war and my thinking or "feelings" that was the reason for me to have input at all.

That is you talking AGAINST YOURSELF, in the course of back to back posts. This reveals a very deep level of dishonesty from you in your defense of your position on this war.

And, most importantly, that has been what we have been seeing from ALL the pro-war faction people, everyone here, everyone in the media, everyone in politics. They ALL refuse to be honest about their reasons for their position. AT EVERY POINT.

One take away from this, is the obvious point that this means that their actual reason is so vile, that they know that they can't be honest about it, or they would lose EVERY DEBATE and discussion on the war.


And they know it. And they know that this war is killing people by the hundreds of thousands.

So, they are supporting a war that is killing large numbers of people, when they know that their reason is a bad reason, whatever it is.


That is very close to just being evil, like a comic book villian level of evil.

The only... line between them and a literal comic book character is that they have mastered the art of NOT THINKING of cause and effect. They have unlearned what we all learn as children, when we touch a hot thing and get burned.


They drift though life, where they take actions and make decisions and the obvious results are a complete shock to them, no matter how quickly or often the same thing happens after the same action.

There are actually additional levels of fail with the post you made, but I think I have listed enough.
 
You’re an apologist for evil, if you see any equivalency in the two sides.

1. Which I have not done. So, like I said, why did you say that stupid thing?

2. You made a point that we own Zelinski unqualified support. I made a valid counterpoint. YOu failed to address it. Are you conceeding that point?
 
If you cannot even tell me who it is, why would I go on that website? That is cyber security 101.
.

Wise.

I have clicked a suspicious looking "link" posted by one of them and it damaged my machine. Took a lot of time and money to fix it.


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1. Which I have not done. So, like I said, why did you say that stupid thing?

2. You made a point that we own Zelinski unqualified support. I made a valid counterpoint. YOu failed to address it. Are you conceeding that point?
It should be obvious to any American who we must support. If you can suggest there’s a controversy, then I stand by everything I said.
 
Interesting. A lot to unpack there.

You asked a question/made a point, ie challenging me "who I was" to have a say in this issue, implying strongly that we own Ukraine an effective blank check, because they are defending themselves.

And I replied and answered, pointing out that I have a real role/stake in this war, as a part of MAGA.

First level. You made a point and when the point was counterpointed, instead of defending your point or conceeding your point, you simply moved on. At best the assumption is, that you are conceeding and moving on to other reasons that are part of the WHY of your policy posiiton.

BUT, we both know that is not the case. You didn't conceed, because you plan to use that again later, when you need to, even though that point has been refuted.

Second level. By making that point in the context of a discussion defending your position on the war, you thus had the unstated implication that that point was part of your belief system that led you to support the war. Yet, it being refuted, had no impact on you or your position. THus we see that that was not a true discussion point but just a talking point, you had been given, to throw at the wall, to see if it would stick.

So, that's a level of fail too.


And third level, and I think this is where it gets really interesting. This is that your response attacks teh idea that my feelings are relevant, while our previous point, was all about my stake in the war and my thinking or "feelings" that was the reason for me to have input at all.

That is you talking AGAINST YOURSELF, in the course of back to back posts. This reveals a very deep level of dishonesty from you in your defense of your position on this war.

And, most importantly, that has been what we have been seeing from ALL the pro-war faction people, everyone here, everyone in the media, everyone in politics. They ALL refuse to be honest about their reasons for their position. AT EVERY POINT.

One take away from this, is the obvious point that this means that their actual reason is so vile, that they know that they can't be honest about it, or they would lose EVERY DEBATE and discussion on the war.


And they know it. And they know that this war is killing people by the hundreds of thousands.

So, they are supporting a war that is killing large numbers of people, when they know that their reason is a bad reason, whatever it is.


That is very close to just being evil, like a comic book villian level of evil.

The only... line between them and a literal comic book character is that they have mastered the art of NOT THINKING of cause and effect. They have unlearned what we all learn as children, when we touch a hot thing and get burned.


They drift though life, where they take actions and make decisions and the obvious results are a complete shock to them, no matter how quickly or often the same thing happens after the same action.

There are actually additional levels of fail with the post you made, but I think I have listed enough.
TL;DR. The only thing you need to unpack is why there are any questions here. If you can’t see the difference, you need therapy.
 
It should be obvious to any American who we must support. If you can suggest there’s a controversy, then I stand by everything I said.

1. You stand by it. YOu can't explain it, or defend it, but you stand by it, and demand endless war.

2. 2. You made a point that we own Zelinski unqualified support. I made a valid counterpoint. YOu failed to address it. Are you conceeding that point?
 
TL;DR. The only thing you need to unpack is why there are any questions here. If you can’t see the difference, you need therapy.

THe war in ukraine has reached a bloody stalemate. Neither side seems to have the means to achieve what they want.

Thus, that means that continuing the war, is nothing but a needless slaughter.

A sane, healthy person, would choose NOT to do that. To NOT just let people die by the hundreds of thousands for no reason.


YOU are the one pushing for endless war. And you won't even discuss your reason WHY.


That is the situation. YOur pretense that there is nothing to discuss, is just you realizing that you cannot defend your desire for more war and death.

Not morally, politically, or strategically.
 
THe war in ukraine has reached a bloody stalemate. Neither side seems to have the means to achieve what they want.

Thus, that means that continuing the war, is nothing but a needless slaughter.

A sane, healthy person, would choose NOT to do that. To NOT just let people die by the hundreds of thousands for no reason.


YOU are the one pushing for endless war. And you won't even discuss your reason WHY.


That is the situation. YOur pretense that there is nothing to discuss, is just you realizing that you cannot defend your desire for more war and death.

Not morally, politically, or strategically.
There is the simple thing called 'right from wrong'.

Putin attacked millions of innocent Ukrainians, bombed all their cities and homes and infrastructure, murdered thousands of Ukrainians, caused A mass exodus of their citizens whose homes and jobs were destroyed by the Russians who illegally started this war.

Trump siding with Putin, and rewarding Putin for his war crimes and aggression is just plain WRONG.
 
There is the simple thing called 'right from wrong'.

Putin attacked millions of innocent Ukrainians, bombed all their cities and homes and infrastructure, murdered thousands of Ukrainians, caused A mass exodus of their citizens whose homes and jobs were destroyed by the Russians who illegally started this war.

Trump siding with Putin, and rewarding Putin for his war crimes and aggression is just plain WRONG.


That sounds pretty good. Except, that it leaves out the current situation.

Which as I described in teh post you "Responded" to,

is that the war has reached a bloody stalemate. Nether side seems to have the means to achieve their desired ends. Not the "wrong" Putin, nor the "innocent" Zelenski.


Putin at this point, seems to realize this, and from what we have seen, seems to be open to a deal that ends the dying.


Zelenski, seems to NOT realize this, and wants to keep fighting. Even though he is slowly losing ground and constantly losing men.


In this situation, Trump trying to get Zelenski to wake up adn realize it is time to cut a deal now, is the RIGHT thing to do.


The dems, and the europeans that have encouraged him to keep fighting, and to keep the needless dying going, are the ones who are WRONG.
 
That sounds pretty good. Except, that it leaves out the current situation.

Which as I described in teh post you "Responded" to,

is that the war has reached a bloody stalemate. Nether side seems to have the means to achieve their desired ends. Not the "wrong" Putin, nor the "innocent" Zelenski.


Putin at this point, seems to realize this, and from what we have seen, seems to be open to a deal that ends the dying.


Zelenski, seems to NOT realize this, and wants to keep fighting. Even though he is slowly losing ground and constantly losing men.


In this situation, Trump trying to get Zelenski to wake up adn realize it is time to cut a deal now, is the RIGHT thing to do.


The dems, and the europeans that have encouraged him to keep fighting, and to keep the needless dying going, are the ones who are WRONG.
Can you imagine if trump instead, used his power, to scare the shit out of Putin and Russia, to get Putin to withdraw instead of rewarding Putin with everything he wants?

Is or was Trump really so weak as the incumbent world leader, to use his power in the RIGHT way?
 
Can you imagine if trump instead, used his power, to scare the shit out of Putin and Russia, to get Putin to withdraw instead of rewarding Putin with everything he wants?

Is or was Trump really so weak as the incumbent world leader, to use his power in the RIGHT way?

To get a country to give up land they took with the blood of their men, takes a lot of leverage.

I don't think Trump has that much leverage in the current sistuation, not without threatening major and dangerous escalations.


Are you supporting the idea of major and dangerous escalation?
 
THe war in ukraine has reached a bloody stalemate. Neither side seems to have the means to achieve what they want.

Thus, that means that continuing the war, is nothing but a needless slaughter.

A sane, healthy person, would choose NOT to do that. To NOT just let people die by the hundreds of thousands for no reason.


YOU are the one pushing for endless war. And you won't even discuss your reason WHY.


That is the situation. YOur pretense that there is nothing to discuss, is just you realizing that you cannot defend your desire for more war and death.

Not morally, politically, or strategically.
It isn’t a stalemate. Russia is losing and Trump is throwing them a lifeline.
 
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