One American Muslim’s reflection on the 4th of July celebration

[hobelim]

So the "war on terror" is actually a "holy crusade against Islam" according to you? Has anyone told this to the American troops who are Muslims? Because none of them appear to be aware of this "crusade" of yours. For that matter how much support do you imagine the general public is going to have when they find out all of these trillions of their taxpayer dollars have been wasted trying to eliminate the religion that 1.5 billion people worldwide believe in. How much is it going to cost them to wage a war against 21% of the entire human race? Furthermore what makes you believe that you could ever win a war against a religion that outnumbers the entire US population by 5:1? Massacres on the scale you are advocating would require all kinds of WMDs. What makes you believe that the rest of the world is just going to stand by and allow this to happen? Don't forget that there are NATO nations with their own Muslim populations. Basically you are inciting a world war.

First of all yes, the war on terror is specifically against the people who follow a fundamentalist view of Islam who commit acts of terror in the name of their religion for the specific purpose of destroying the freedom you enjoy. Do you really think it is irrelevant that the people who have openly declared war on western society are Muslims inspired by their religion?

How do you suppose the war on terror is ever going to end without defeating their form of religion and extirpating their false claim to moral authority based on those religious beliefs?

The acts of terror to which you refer are by definition political acts, not religious ones. You're dropping into the same logical abyss that RGS is living in: dicto simpliciter. That fallacy forces us to ignore all the other terrorists who happen to follow other religions, or no religion at all, in favor of the designated hate group who happen to follow Islam. And that, by the figures in my last link, would force us to ignore at least 94% of all terrorism, including all the Eric Rudolphs, the Tim McVeighs, the Scott Roeders and the Ted Kaczynskis, just to name a few, who don't happen to qualify under the rules of 21st century Crusade. So no, the war on terror is NOT specifically against the people who follow a fundamentalist view of Islam, or any other religion. It's against the people who follow a fundamentalist view of using violence to get their way. Period.

Sheeeesh.

It is ironic though, that the same voices who correctly point the finger of primitivity at public beheadings, treatment of women and the like, then nevertheless turn around and themselves invoke the spirit of the Crusades of a thousand years past.

As I keep saying.... Having it both ways: priceless.

You do realize that a fundamentalist view of Islam demands violence?

Sheesh yourself.

And no I am not suggesting any sort of medieval crusade. Pay attention.

I am suggesting a way for all the bullshit to end without innocent bloodshed whether it is found in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or Atheism.

Who could possibly object to ridding the world of the few liars who deceive and mislead the rest of the population and in the process exposing the truth freeing the billions of captives held in dungeons of religious deceit?

If someone did would it be a great mystery why?

 

[Pogo]

First of all yes, the war on terror is specifically against the people who follow a fundamentalist view of Islam who commit acts of terror in the name of their religion for the specific purpose of destroying the freedom you enjoy. Do you really think it is irrelevant that the people who have openly declared war on western society are Muslims inspired by their religion?

How do you suppose the war on terror is ever going to end without defeating their form of religion and extirpating their false claim to moral authority based on those religious beliefs?

The acts of terror to which you refer are by definition political acts, not religious ones. You're dropping into the same logical abyss that RGS is living in: dicto simpliciter. That fallacy forces us to ignore all the other terrorists who happen to follow other religions, or no religion at all, in favor of the designated hate group who happen to follow Islam. And that, by the figures in my last link, would force us to ignore at least 94% of all terrorism, including all the Eric Rudolphs, the Tim McVeighs, the Scott Roeders and the Ted Kaczynskis, just to name a few, who don't happen to qualify under the rules of 21st century Crusade. So no, the war on terror is NOT specifically against the people who follow a fundamentalist view of Islam, or any other religion. It's against the people who follow a fundamentalist view of using violence to get their way. Period.

Sheeeesh.

It is ironic though, that the same voices who correctly point the finger of primitivity at public beheadings, treatment of women and the like, then nevertheless turn around and themselves invoke the spirit of the Crusades of a thousand years past.

As I keep saying.... Having it both ways: priceless.

You do realize that a fundamentalist view of Islam demands violence?

Sheesh yourself.

And no I am not suggesting any sort of medieval crusade. Pay attention.

I am suggesting a way for all the bullshit to end without innocent bloodshed whether it is found in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or Atheism.

Who could possibly object to ridding the world of the few liars who deceive and mislead the rest of the population and in the process exposing the truth freeing the billions of captives held in dungeons of religious deceit?

If someone did would it be a great mystery why?

No, I don't.

I think this guy does though...

Know what? "They" have a guy just like this, who says the same thing about "us".
Funny how that works.

 

[hobelim]

The acts of terror to which you refer are by definition political acts, not religious ones. .

BTW.....Perhaps the dumbest thing I've heard all day.

congratulations.

So you haven't noticed that those specific terrorist cite devotion to Islam as the basis for their 'acts' of devotion, not politics?


Nevermind.... I have no need to be subjected to more of your confusion....

 

[Derideo_Te]

Isn't it un-American to kill innocent Americans? Is it un-American to support the people of a religion dedicated to killing Americans? And if the war against 'terrorism' has nothing to do with the people who are trying to impose a specific religion on everyone else, what is all that Allah Akbar, death to the great Satan, 72 virgins, Islamic fundamentalism, and the call on Muslims to kill anybody as long as they are not Muslim have to do with anything if not religion???

And why would it be foolish to believe such a war could ever succeed?

Where are the great religions of the past? Has anyone worshiped Molech lately?

So the "war on terror" is actually a "holy crusade against Islam" according to you? Has anyone told this to the American troops who are Muslims? Because none of them appear to be aware of this "crusade" of yours. For that matter how much support do you imagine the general public is going to have when they find out all of these trillions of their taxpayer dollars have been wasted trying to eliminate the religion that 1.5 billion people worldwide believe in. How much is it going to cost them to wage a war against 21% of the entire human race? Furthermore what makes you believe that you could ever win a war against a religion that outnumbers the entire US population by 5:1? Massacres on the scale you are advocating would require all kinds of WMDs. What makes you believe that the rest of the world is just going to stand by and allow this to happen? Don't forget that there are NATO nations with their own Muslim populations. Basically you are inciting a world war.

First of all yes, the war on terror is specifically against the people who follow a fundamentalist view of Islam who commit acts of terror in the name of their religion for the specific purpose of destroying the freedom you enjoy. Do you really think it is irrelevant that the people who have openly declared war on western society are Muslims inspired by their religion?

How do you suppose the war on terror is ever going to end without defeating their form of religion and extirpating their false claim to moral authority based on those religious beliefs?

Secondly if you think that such an inevitable confrontation against the religion of terrorists would be against all 1.5 billion Muslims then your claim that sunniman is just a patriotic man of faith is bullshit because if he was he wouldn't be advocating sharia law or drooling at the irrational thought that Islam will take over the world, would he?

Wouldn't he either be condemning That form of Islam like the saner people here or renouncing his faith completely?

See what is there man.

And No I am not suggesting a world war. The whole matter can easily and forever be resolved without a spilling a drop of innocent blood. Why should the millions of people deceived on all sides have to fight each other to the death when there are far fewer deceivers in the world?

I like your suggestion of an Elijah style confrontation between the potentates of whatever religion with simple rules. Lets see who can call down fire from the sky in full view of everyone and then the only people who should be killed, and justly so, will be the exposed deceivers.

For someone who claims to be able to understand the "true meaning" in the bible you manage to miss everything relevant that is in plain sight in both my posts and Sunniman's. What is even worse is that you are buying into RGS's fearmongering nonsense.

Here are some simple facts;

1. Acts of terrorism are violent crimes.
2. Terrorist motivations stem from a wide range of issues including mental illness.
3. Terrorists usually have a political agenda to alter society to fit their own beliefs.
4. It is impossible to fight a conventional "war against terror".
5. It is impossible to "defeat" terrorism because there is no way to "defeat" a belief no matter how irrational it might be.
6. The dumbest political move of this century was promoting criminal terrorists to "enemy combatant" status.
7. It takes intelligence and police work to find and catch terrorists and the legal system to bring them to justice.

 

[hobelim]

For someone who claims to be able to understand the "true meaning" in the bible you manage to miss everything relevant that is in plain sight in both my posts and Sunniman's. What is even worse is that you are buying into RGS's fearmongering nonsense.

Here are some simple facts;

1. Acts of terrorism are violent crimes.
2. Terrorist motivations stem from a wide range of issues including mental illness.
3. Terrorists usually have a political agenda to alter society to fit their own beliefs.
4. It is impossible to fight a conventional "war against terror".
5. It is impossible to "defeat" terrorism because there is no way to "defeat" a belief no matter how irrational it might be.
6. The dumbest political move of this century was promoting criminal terrorists to "enemy combatant" status.
7. It takes intelligence and police work to find and catch terrorists and the legal system to bring them to justice.

1. an act of terror is a violent crime but when preceded by a declaration of war it is an act of war. simple.

2. so what.

3. so what.

4. so what.

5. nonsense. Beliefs are held and perpetuated by people. Defeating terrorism is as simple as killing or capturing the people who perpetuate, inspire, condone or plan terrorism. Don't you believe that there are some people in the world so completely given over to madness and evil and so far beyond redemption that they have to be killed for the greater good of civilized society?

6. Again, nonsense. A dumber move would have been to give these terrorists civil trials with all the rights guaranteed to the citizens of the country they have openly dedicated their lives to destroy through unrelenting war.

7. Yes, it takes intelligence to find and catch terrorists but only a bullet to bring them to justice.

Do you really think Bin Laden should have received a civil trial by jury instead of the bullet he got in the head without compunction?


Civil rights are taken away from our own citizens who commit violent crimes but you want to extend all civil rights enjoyed by law abiding citizens to foreign nationals who have claimed responsibility for heinous and inhuman acts of terror while they are openly at war against us?

don't be silly.

 

[Derideo_Te]

For someone who claims to be able to understand the "true meaning" in the bible you manage to miss everything relevant that is in plain sight in both my posts and Sunniman's. What is even worse is that you are buying into RGS's fearmongering nonsense.

Here are some simple facts;

1. Acts of terrorism are violent crimes.
2. Terrorist motivations stem from a wide range of issues including mental illness.
3. Terrorists usually have a political agenda to alter society to fit their own beliefs.
4. It is impossible to fight a conventional "war against terror".
5. It is impossible to "defeat" terrorism because there is no way to "defeat" a belief no matter how irrational it might be.
6. The dumbest political move of this century was promoting criminal terrorists to "enemy combatant" status.
7. It takes intelligence and police work to find and catch terrorists and the legal system to bring them to justice.

1. an act of terror is a violent crime but when preceded by a declaration of war it is an act of war. simple.

2. so what.

3. so what.

4. so what.

5. nonsense. Beliefs are held and perpetuated by people. Defeating terrorism is as simple as killing or capturing the people who perpetuate, inspire, condone or plan terrorism. Don't you believe that there are some people in the world so completely given over to madness and evil and so far beyond redemption that they have to be killed for the greater good of civilized society?

6. Again, nonsense. A dumber move would have been to give these terrorists civil trials with all the rights guaranteed to the citizens of the country they have openly dedicated their lives to destroy through unrelenting war.

7. Yes, it takes intelligence to find and catch terrorists but only a bullet to bring them to justice.

Do you really think Bin Laden should have received a civil trial by jury instead of the bullet he got in the head without compunction?


Civil rights are taken away from our own citizens who commit violent crimes but you want to extend all civil rights enjoyed by law abiding citizens to foreign nationals who have claimed responsibility for heinous and inhuman acts of terror while they are openly at war against us?

don't be silly.

Judging by those responses you would prefer anarchy to law & order.

War is something that is declared between nations. You cannot declare war on individuals or even groups of individuals. Individuals are subject to justice if they commit heinous acts.

That you cannot understand these simple concepts means that you don't understand the problem either. To you it is just an emotional desire to seek revenge. That much is obvious.

 

[hobelim]

For someone who claims to be able to understand the "true meaning" in the bible you manage to miss everything relevant that is in plain sight in both my posts and Sunniman's. What is even worse is that you are buying into RGS's fearmongering nonsense.

Here are some simple facts;

1. Acts of terrorism are violent crimes.
2. Terrorist motivations stem from a wide range of issues including mental illness.
3. Terrorists usually have a political agenda to alter society to fit their own beliefs.
4. It is impossible to fight a conventional "war against terror".
5. It is impossible to "defeat" terrorism because there is no way to "defeat" a belief no matter how irrational it might be.
6. The dumbest political move of this century was promoting criminal terrorists to "enemy combatant" status.
7. It takes intelligence and police work to find and catch terrorists and the legal system to bring them to justice.

1. an act of terror is a violent crime but when preceded by a declaration of war it is an act of war. simple.

2. so what.

3. so what.

4. so what.

5. nonsense. Beliefs are held and perpetuated by people. Defeating terrorism is as simple as killing or capturing the people who perpetuate, inspire, condone or plan terrorism. Don't you believe that there are some people in the world so completely given over to madness and evil and so far beyond redemption that they have to be killed for the greater good of civilized society?

6. Again, nonsense. A dumber move would have been to give these terrorists civil trials with all the rights guaranteed to the citizens of the country they have openly dedicated their lives to destroy through unrelenting war.

7. Yes, it takes intelligence to find and catch terrorists but only a bullet to bring them to justice.

Do you really think Bin Laden should have received a civil trial by jury instead of the bullet he got in the head without compunction?


Civil rights are taken away from our own citizens who commit violent crimes but you want to extend all civil rights enjoyed by law abiding citizens to foreign nationals who have claimed responsibility for heinous and inhuman acts of terror while they are openly at war against us?

don't be silly.

Judging by those responses you would prefer anarchy to law & order.

War is something that is declared between nations. You cannot declare war on individuals or even groups of individuals. Individuals are subject to justice if they commit heinous acts.

That you cannot understand these simple concepts means that you don't understand the problem either. To you it is just an emotional desire to seek revenge. That much is obvious.

If you think that we are not in a state of war whether openly declared or not and that you think nations are exempt from responsibility for the heinous acts of their citizens against other nations shows that you don't understand the problem.

People, individual citizens and or the nations who churn out terrorists like automatons are responsible for any act of war against any other sovereign nation whether they cloak themselves in the lie that they are not acting on the behalf of any nation in particular other than Islam.

If you went to a madrassa at 6 to chant verses from the Koran 12 hours a day 7 days a week for years, you would be stark raving mad and eager to blow yourself up by the time you were 12 too. At the very least nations who extol the virtues of such abuse of the minds of their own citizens are complicit for the insane things they are being trained like mindless monkeys to do.

If Mexicans were blowing up national monuments in the name of a declared religious war would we not hold Mexico as accountable as the Vatican?

would it ever end if the religious roots of such madness are never dealt with?

Face reality my friend, there will never be peace with a people who consider it a religious duty to kill you until either you or they are dead.

 

[Derideo_Te]

1. an act of terror is a violent crime but when preceded by a declaration of war it is an act of war. simple.

2. so what.

3. so what.

4. so what.

5. nonsense. Beliefs are held and perpetuated by people. Defeating terrorism is as simple as killing or capturing the people who perpetuate, inspire, condone or plan terrorism. Don't you believe that there are some people in the world so completely given over to madness and evil and so far beyond redemption that they have to be killed for the greater good of civilized society?

6. Again, nonsense. A dumber move would have been to give these terrorists civil trials with all the rights guaranteed to the citizens of the country they have openly dedicated their lives to destroy through unrelenting war.

7. Yes, it takes intelligence to find and catch terrorists but only a bullet to bring them to justice.

Do you really think Bin Laden should have received a civil trial by jury instead of the bullet he got in the head without compunction?


Civil rights are taken away from our own citizens who commit violent crimes but you want to extend all civil rights enjoyed by law abiding citizens to foreign nationals who have claimed responsibility for heinous and inhuman acts of terror while they are openly at war against us?

don't be silly.

Judging by those responses you would prefer anarchy to law & order.

War is something that is declared between nations. You cannot declare war on individuals or even groups of individuals. Individuals are subject to justice if they commit heinous acts.

That you cannot understand these simple concepts means that you don't understand the problem either. To you it is just an emotional desire to seek revenge. That much is obvious.

If you think that we are not in a state of war whether openly declared or not and that you think nations are exempt from responsibility for the heinous acts of their citizens against other nations shows that you don't understand the problem.

People, individual citizens and or the nations who churn out terrorists like automatons are responsible for any act of war against any other sovereign nation whether they cloak themselves in the lie that they are not acting on the behalf of any nation in particular other than Islam.

If you went to a madrassa at 6 to chant verses from the Koran 12 hours a day 7 days a week for years, you would be stark raving mad and eager to blow yourself up by the time you were 12 too. At the very least nations who extol the virtues of such abuse of the minds of their own citizens are complicit for the insane things they are being trained like mindless monkeys to do.

If Mexicans were blowing up national monuments in the name of a declared religious war would we not hold Mexico as accountable as the Vatican?

would it ever end if the religious roots of such madness are never dealt with?

Face reality my friend, there will never be peace with a people who consider it a religious duty to kill you until either you or they are dead.

Facing reality means NOT killing innocent women and children because of the acts of fanatical terrorists. All you have is a hammer so every problem must be a nail. The more innocent women and children you kill the more fanatical terrorists you will spawn.

You don't understand the problem of terrorism at all. You are fixated on the religious aspect of one segment of terrorism and ignoring all others at your peril.

There is domestic terrorism being waged against this nation by American citizens. According to you the government must hold itself accountable and declare war on the American people. Of course that is exactly what the domestic terrorists want to have happen.

If you want to win you never fight on your enemy's terms and his chosen ground. This explains why your way has simply created more terrorists than it has eliminated.

 

[hobelim]

Facing reality means NOT killing innocent women and children because of the acts of fanatical terrorists. All you have is a hammer so every problem must be a nail. The more innocent women and children you kill the more fanatical terrorists you will spawn..

Who said anything about killing innocent women and children? I suggested a way to avoid shedding innocent blood. And how is targeting the individuals responsible for inciting hatred in the name of religion killing innocent women and children even if they are hiding behind women and children?

You don't understand the problem of terrorism at all. You are fixated on the religious aspect of one segment of terrorism and ignoring all others at your peril..

Trying to convince the people who want to subjugate or kill you how nice, accommodating and pusillanimous you can be only exponentially compounds the problem. And how can you ignore to your peril the fact that radical Islam teaches to spread Islam by force? Women and children of radical Islam would blow themselves up as easily as an old man with one leg would at the chance of maiming and killing as many of their sworn enemies as possible. That would be you. That's what you don't understand.



You said it was impossible to defeat a belief, but if that was true then we would all own slaves, apartheid would be the law of the land in south Africa and the whole world would now be enjoying the many wonderful things the third Reich had to offer.


Stop being such a sissy.

 

[bodecea]

Thanks for your efforts to voice your views.

However, a lone voice among so many is not exactly the general opinion of Muslims.

Nice try.

This thread is only about American muslims.

Who are overwhelmingly patriotic and happy to live in the U.S.

But you would never know that because the media doesn't think that information is news worthy.

Maybe because American Muslims are said to be represented by CAIR, see Council on American?Islamic Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia claims to be their voice and it constantly seeks Sharia in every level of government, supports radical Islamists in foreign countries, and DOES NOT reflect the basic tenets of the USA!!!

Interesting that they are not the only ones supporting Sharia in our country. Note my signature.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Facing reality means NOT killing innocent women and children because of the acts of fanatical terrorists. All you have is a hammer so every problem must be a nail. The more innocent women and children you kill the more fanatical terrorists you will spawn..

Who said anything about killing innocent women and children? I suggested a way to avoid shedding innocent blood. And how is targeting the individuals responsible for inciting hatred in the name of religion killing innocent women and children even if they are hiding behind women and children?

You don't understand the problem of terrorism at all. You are fixated on the religious aspect of one segment of terrorism and ignoring all others at your peril..

Trying to convince the people who want to subjugate or kill you how nice, accommodating and pusillanimous you can be only exponentially compounds the problem. And how can you ignore to your peril the fact that radical Islam teaches to spread Islam by force? Women and children of radical Islam would blow themselves up as easily as an old man with one leg would at the chance of maiming and killing as many of their sworn enemies as possible. That would be you. That's what you don't understand.



You said it was impossible to defeat a belief, but if that was true then we would all own slaves, apartheid would be the law of the land in south Africa and the whole world would now be enjoying the many wonderful things the third Reich had to offer.


Stop being such a sissy.

You really don't get it, do you? Probably because the terrorists have actually beaten you already. They have succeeded in convincing you that they are capable of everything you are so scared is going to happen. As far as the terrorists are concerned they have won and you have lost. You have been terrorized to the point where you are paranoid and now see them as capable of subjugating and/or killing you. Their idea has prevailed and you have been defeated, not by any military means because that is impossible, but by convincing you that they are more powerful than they actually are.

Right now you are in abject denial that what I am saying is correct. But the facts speak for themselves. All of your posts (and those of other victims of terrorism like RGS) are screeds of fear of what they will do to you and this nation. Since you actually believe them to be capable of what you are posting that means that have succeeded and you are defeated.

Terrorism is all about fear. You are now so afraid of what they might do that they have managed to instill their fear deep into your mind where it has taken root and now festers. They have achieved their objective of terrorizing you and you don't even know it. You now live in a state of perpetual fear and you probably don't even realize it because to you it is now "normal" to fear them.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Nice thread, SunniMan. Most American Muslims reflect upon this and as all American citizens do, appreciate where our country got to together and the core values which all of us live for. I even already miss my home, as I'm in vacation and currently in the Gaza Strip, I miss out on many things which I only realize when I'm absent of them. It creates a warm feeling leading your heart to what you truly appreciate.

As usual though, that didn't stop a few posters here from demeaning the purpose of the thread and attacking any sign of opportunity between American citizens of all faiths, sadly, also from a super moderator. Who we'd thought can display better behavior than that.

Nevertheless, I wish all Americans a late happy Independence Day and happy Ramadan to our fellow American Muslim citizens and Muslims worldwide.

I too, like Sunni, am an American Muslim which are for from the stereotypes we get and it seems its declining everyday. The USA is moving toward a healthier future.

 

[hobelim]

You said it was impossible to defeat a belief, but if that was true then we would all own slaves, apartheid would be the law of the land in south Africa and the whole world would now be enjoying the many wonderful things the third Reich had to offer.


Stop being such a sissy.

You really don't get it, do you? Probably because the terrorists have actually beaten you already. They have succeeded in convincing you that they are capable of everything you are so scared is going to happen. As far as the terrorists are concerned they have won and you have lost. You have been terrorized to the point where you are paranoid and now see them as capable of subjugating and/or killing you. Their idea has prevailed and you have been defeated, not by any military means because that is impossible, but by convincing you that they are more powerful than they actually are.

Right now you are in abject denial that what I am saying is correct. But the facts speak for themselves. All of your posts (and those of other victims of terrorism like RGS) are screeds of fear of what they will do to you and this nation. Since you actually believe them to be capable of what you are posting that means that have succeeded and you are defeated.

Terrorism is all about fear. You are now so afraid of what they might do that they have managed to instill their fear deep into your mind where it has taken root and now festers. They have achieved their objective of terrorizing you and you don't even know it. You now live in a state of perpetual fear and you probably don't even realize it because to you it is now "normal" to fear them.

LOL... If I feared 'them' or what 'they' might do I would be avoiding addressing the evil perpetuated by their brand of religion, wouldn't I?


They terrorized me and I don't even know it? they already won? stop projecting. You are the one in denial, you are the one cowering in fear. 'Terrorists' have absolutely no effect on me, my thinking or my daily life, and fear does not restrict what I say or do..

"they' are not only losing 'they' are being extirpated.

You have not addressed one valid point I have or anyone else has made concerning radical Islam out of fear.

Are you a covert too?

If not, by refusing to take a stand against the evil they perpetuate under the veil of Islam they have defeated you by cutting off your balls with the peaceful religion bullshit which only increases their contempt for you.


stop being such a sissy.

 

[Pogo]

You said it was impossible to defeat a belief, but if that was true then we would all own slaves, apartheid would be the law of the land in south Africa and the whole world would now be enjoying the many wonderful things the third Reich had to offer.


Stop being such a sissy.

You really don't get it, do you? Probably because the terrorists have actually beaten you already. They have succeeded in convincing you that they are capable of everything you are so scared is going to happen. As far as the terrorists are concerned they have won and you have lost. You have been terrorized to the point where you are paranoid and now see them as capable of subjugating and/or killing you. Their idea has prevailed and you have been defeated, not by any military means because that is impossible, but by convincing you that they are more powerful than they actually are.

Right now you are in abject denial that what I am saying is correct. But the facts speak for themselves. All of your posts (and those of other victims of terrorism like RGS) are screeds of fear of what they will do to you and this nation. Since you actually believe them to be capable of what you are posting that means that have succeeded and you are defeated.

Terrorism is all about fear. You are now so afraid of what they might do that they have managed to instill their fear deep into your mind where it has taken root and now festers. They have achieved their objective of terrorizing you and you don't even know it. You now live in a state of perpetual fear and you probably don't even realize it because to you it is now "normal" to fear them.

LOL... If I feared 'them' or what 'they' might do I would be avoiding addressing the evil perpetuated by their brand of religion, wouldn't I?


They terrorized me and I don't even know it? they already won? stop projecting. You are the one in denial, you are the one cowering in fear. 'Terrorists' have absolutely no effect on me, my thinking or my daily life, and fear does not restrict what I say or do..

"they' are not only losing 'they' are being extirpated.

You have not addressed one valid point I have or anyone else has made concerning radical Islam out of fear.

Are you a covert too?

If not, by refusing to take a stand against the evil they perpetuate under the veil of Islam they have defeated you by cutting off your balls with the peaceful religion bullshit which only increases their contempt for you.


stop being such a sissy.

Umm... you're the one too blind to see beyond circumstantial religion, dood. Even to the point of injecting religious motives where none exist.

Yeah, I'd call that fear pollution. And it's not derived from the terrorists, but from the media. Including the self-fulfilling echo chamber of the internet.

 

[hobelim]

LOL... If I feared 'them' or what 'they' might do I would be avoiding addressing the evil perpetuated by their brand of religion, wouldn't I?


They terrorized me and I don't even know it? they already won? stop projecting. You are the one in denial, you are the one cowering in fear. 'Terrorists' have absolutely no effect on me, my thinking or my daily life, and fear does not restrict what I say or do..

"they' are not only losing 'they' are being extirpated.

You have not addressed one valid point I have or anyone else has made concerning radical Islam out of fear.

Are you a covert too?

If not, by refusing to take a stand against the evil they perpetuate under the veil of Islam they have defeated you by cutting off your balls with the peaceful religion bullshit which only increases their contempt for you.


stop being such a sissy.

Umm... you're the one too blind to see beyond circumstantial religion, dood. Even to the point of injecting religious motives where none exist.

Yeah, I'd call that fear pollution. And it's not derived from the terrorists, but from the media. Including the self-fulfilling echo chamber of the internet.

Stop it already blaming the media for covering things that are actually happening.

Growing up I was a part of a large group of fiends from every religious persuasion including Atheist, Muslim, Palestinian Christian, Catholic, Protestant, pagan and Jew. The only reason we were able to get along was because religion had nothing whatever to do with anything as far as we were concerned. We all understood that our religious affiliations were an accident of birth and not one of us actually took any of the religious bullshit we inherited from the past seriously.

I am not interjected religion into any motive at all for anything terrorists did or planned to do, I am just pointing out the obvious religious motives they base their false claim to moral authority on.

Their brand of religion is the motive for what they do. They claim that motive.


see what is there and stop blaming the media for reporting what these people of that particular religious persuasion are actually doing all over the world and on a daily basis.


The real problem is that in this country of many contradictory and irrational religions many people have been blinded and defiled by those beliefs and don't have a clue about what the right course to take is neither do they have a moral leg to stand on in opposition, consequently they blather on about freedom of religion or say things like "inside we are all the same', - group think from an addled mind - in other words they do nothing but attack and try to discredit those who point out the obvious, what they either cannot or refuse to see.

 

[alpine]

One thing I don't understand, why do we have to give a shit what a muslim thinks of the 4th of July?

Why does the whole world have to be somewhat occupied with all the problem of the muslims?

I don't see us talking about the problems of Chinese or Latinos or Africans, but muslims, all the time.

Muslims are like the spoiled children of the world.

Children are dying of hunger in Africa, and yet we are still on the muslim problem.

In my opinion, muslims should grow up and learn the world is not revolving around them, The world has much more important problems than all the bullshit muslims are occupying us with...

GROW UP AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

 

[Agent.Tom]

One thing I don't understand, why do we have to give a shit what a muslim thinks of the 4th of July?

Why does the whole world have to be somewhat occupied with all the problem of the muslims?

I don't see us talking about the problems of Chinese or Latinos or Africans, but muslims, all the time.

Muslims are like the spoiled children of the world.

Children are dying of hunger in Africa, and yet we are still on the muslim problem.

In my opinion, muslims should grow up and learn the world is not revolving around them, The world has much more important problems than all the bullshit muslims are occupying us with...

GROW UP AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

We have to take notice of Muslims because many within the Muslim community force us to take notice. Turning a blind eye to the growing Orthodox Muslim threat in the world is to your own detriment. The progressive and peaceful Muslims--of whom the author of the OP is hopefully a part of--don't demand our attention and that's because they are good-natured people who get along and naturally blend in with their fellow citizens.

But as long as Orthodox/Radical Muslims continue to cause strife and trouble with the rest of us, they will continue to get our glaring attention, our disrespect, and our disgust in return.

 

[alpine]

One thing I don't understand, why do we have to give a shit what a muslim thinks of the 4th of July?

Why does the whole world have to be somewhat occupied with all the problem of the muslims?

I don't see us talking about the problems of Chinese or Latinos or Africans, but muslims, all the time.

Muslims are like the spoiled children of the world.

Children are dying of hunger in Africa, and yet we are still on the muslim problem.

In my opinion, muslims should grow up and learn the world is not revolving around them, The world has much more important problems than all the bullshit muslims are occupying us with...

GROW UP AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

We have to take notice of Muslims because many within the Muslim community force us to take notice. Turning a blind eye to the growing Orthodox Muslim threat in the world is to your own detriment. The progressive and peaceful Muslims--of whom the author of the OP is hopefully a part of--don't demand our attention and that's because they are good-natured people who get along and naturally blend in with their fellow citizens.

But as long as Orthodox/Radical Muslims continue to cause strife and trouble with the rest of us, they will continue to get our glaring attention, our disrespect, and our disgust in return.

Look, buddy, I bet there are a lot more muslims on this board than these 2 shit heads writing in this thread, but you don't see them very often get into any subject as a "muslim", because they are over it. They don't identify themselves as muslims any more to get into matters, because it doesn't matter for them. They realize how disgraceful what their religion is putting on this world, which is the reason they are in this country in the first place, so they are not so much different from you. SO they don't come out in every opportunity to defend their religion, because they know there is nothing to defend. What can you defend seriously? A series of countries so backward, you can forget you are in 20th century when you are looking at them, let alone living in them.

You are going to put this bullshit on the surface of this world, then you will just cry and whine in every opportunity you get, just sooo islamic...

So believe me, if someone is shy when admitting she/he a muslim, that is the one you should consider your friend, because that is the one that has any humanity left in. These 2 shit heads has none of it available...

To those 2 shit heads, defenders of islam, if you want any respect, first admit how your religion put all those countries in a crash course with the civilization, that you failed over and over and over again and fucked up so royally nobody can clean up your mess anymore, than you may have any word to put up here...

 

[Sunni Man]

One thing I don't understand, why do we have to give a shit what a muslim thinks of the 4th of July?

Why does the whole world have to be somewhat occupied with all the problem of the muslims?

I don't see us talking about the problems of Chinese or Latinos or Africans, but muslims, all the time.

Muslims are like the spoiled children of the world.

Children are dying of hunger in Africa, and yet we are still on the muslim problem.

In my opinion, muslims should grow up and learn the world is not revolving around them, The world has much more important problems than all the bullshit muslims are occupying us with...

Don't you have a Gay Pride Parade you should be attending??

 

[Derideo_Te]

You said it was impossible to defeat a belief, but if that was true then we would all own slaves, apartheid would be the law of the land in south Africa and the whole world would now be enjoying the many wonderful things the third Reich had to offer.


Stop being such a sissy.

You really don't get it, do you? Probably because the terrorists have actually beaten you already. They have succeeded in convincing you that they are capable of everything you are so scared is going to happen. As far as the terrorists are concerned they have won and you have lost. You have been terrorized to the point where you are paranoid and now see them as capable of subjugating and/or killing you. Their idea has prevailed and you have been defeated, not by any military means because that is impossible, but by convincing you that they are more powerful than they actually are.

Right now you are in abject denial that what I am saying is correct. But the facts speak for themselves. All of your posts (and those of other victims of terrorism like RGS) are screeds of fear of what they will do to you and this nation. Since you actually believe them to be capable of what you are posting that means that have succeeded and you are defeated.

Terrorism is all about fear. You are now so afraid of what they might do that they have managed to instill their fear deep into your mind where it has taken root and now festers. They have achieved their objective of terrorizing you and you don't even know it. You now live in a state of perpetual fear and you probably don't even realize it because to you it is now "normal" to fear them.

LOL... If I feared 'them' or what 'they' might do I would be avoiding addressing the evil perpetuated by their brand of religion, wouldn't I?


They terrorized me and I don't even know it? they already won? stop projecting. You are the one in denial, you are the one cowering in fear. 'Terrorists' have absolutely no effect on me, my thinking or my daily life, and fear does not restrict what I say or do..

"they' are not only losing 'they' are being extirpated.

You have not addressed one valid point I have or anyone else has made concerning radical Islam out of fear.

Are you a covert too?

If not, by refusing to take a stand against the evil they perpetuate under the veil of Islam they have defeated you by cutting off your balls with the peaceful religion bullshit which only increases their contempt for you.


stop being such a sissy.

Thank you for tacitly admitting that I am correct about you being in denial and obsessed by your imaginary fear of Islam. The terrorists have achieved their goal and you are now under their control.

Furthermore you haven't made any "valid points" "concerning radical Islam". All you have provided are rants about baseless "guilt" that exists only in your fear filled imagination projected onto entirely innocent Americans who happen to be Muslims.