Oklahoma banned students could sue the college and win big

[Freewill]

I think that the college has the right to refuse service to just about anyone they want. Of course, it is my opinion, that if this were a black frat. then the administration might not have done what they did but we have no way of knowing. Or if the college tried to expel or refuse admission to a black person, such as MalcomX because of his views there would be a gigantic firestorm of crap raining down.

Don't you people think it is way past time to stop with the racists BS? I sure do but we are inundated with race from the left every single day. Almost nothing can be said about a person without the left bring up race, if the person is not white. Call Obama a monkey, racism, call Bush a monkey, meaningful political banter, at least according to the left. Make a movie with a mostly black cast such as Selma and it sucks just cry racism because no one wants to hear about Selma, we are race fatigued.

I would like to see equal treatment under the law and this situation does point to the inequality of the enforcement of the laws. How can there be ANY group on ANY campus with the term "BLACK" in their title? Why isn't that racist or at the very least discriminatory? How can there be an exclusionary group in Congress named the Black caucus? How? The NAACP, advancement of colored people, to the demise of white people?

If we are going to be completely correct and this college is being correct, in my opinion, then let us rid our country of all bastions of racism. Now I am not for getting rid of all liberals, but that certainly would do the trick. But I am for fairness and enforcing laws across the board.

 

[Freewill]

For instance, Williams recently indulged in 'free' speech and consequences were severe.

Williams was supposed to be a trusted newsperson.
He was making up stories to make himself look good. A LIAR as it were.
The network couldn't keep him in a position where he was supposed to be "A trusted newsperson".
The network got rid of Williams because he was a liability to them.

And you don't think having a white racist fraternity existing happily at a major university is not a liability for the university?

Other then a drunken sing along do you have evidence that the frat. house did harm to any black person? I say if the black person heard the chant then yes, definitely. But, what is a white person to think when they see a black student organization? Why is one divisive and one not?

 

[Freewill]

The idea that when you're a student you have the right to say anything you want, any time, under any circumstances,

and be protected from any consequences is so absurd that it's hard to believe anyone could even think that.

I agree, the university has a the right to refuse service for such language, in my opinion whether or not I agree with the language. Just like you could not do the same at your work place and get away with such derisive language.

 

[bgr39]

They were in violation of the law.

I don't think anyone is crying over this. The University has a code of conduct these students violated. They're done. I'm sure they can get into another school.

They acted stupid, but what law were they in violation of?

Exactly.

Nobody arrested them

They didn't stomp on anybody's rights, so they broke no laws. They are innocent. What reason did the university have to expel them?

Violation of the schools code of conduct

Gee, weren't they off-campus and in a closed, private bus?
How far does a code-of-conduct reach?

 

[Freewill]

They acted stupid, but what law were they in violation of?

Exactly.

Nobody arrested them

They didn't stomp on anybody's rights, so they broke no laws. They are innocent. What reason did the university have to expel them?

Violation of the schools code of conduct

Gee, weren't they off-campus and in a closed, private bus?
How far does a code-of-conduct reach?

If it were only Las Vegas and what was said in the bus stayed in the bus, put it didn't. There is very little of an excuse I can see for such language.

 

[bgr39]

I think that the college has the right to refuse service to just about anyone they want. Of course, it is my opinion, that if this were a black frat. then the administration might not have done what they did but we have no way of knowing. Or if the college tried to expel or refuse admission to a black person, such as MalcomX because of his views there would be a gigantic firestorm of crap raining down.

Don't you people think it is way past time to stop with the racists BS? I sure do but we are inundated with race from the left every single day. Almost nothing can be said about a person without the left bring up race, if the person is not white. Call Obama a monkey, racism, call Bush a monkey, meaningful political banter, at least according to the left. Make a movie with a mostly black cast such as Selma and it sucks just cry racism because no one wants to hear about Selma, we are race fatigued.

I would like to see equal treatment under the law and this situation does point to the inequality of the enforcement of the laws. How can there be ANY group on ANY campus with the term "BLACK" in their title? Why isn't that racist or at the very least discriminatory? How can there be an exclusionary group in Congress named the Black caucus? How? The NAACP, advancement of colored people, to the demise of white people?

If we are going to be completely correct and this college is being correct, in my opinion, then let us rid our country of all bastions of racism. Now I am not for getting rid of all liberals, but that certainly would do the trick. But I am for fairness and enforcing laws across the board.

Didn't they make a movie about assassinating President GW Bush?

 

[pinqy]

The idea that when you're a student you have the right to say anything you want, any time, under any circumstances,

and be protected from any consequences is so absurd that it's hard to believe anyone could even think that.

I don't think anyone is entertaining that idea.

My position is that the government and its agents cannot restrict or punish speech based solely on content. SAE was perfectly justified in shutting down the chapter, but the University would not have been.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The idea that when you're a student you have the right to say anything you want, any time, under any circumstances,

and be protected from any consequences is so absurd that it's hard to believe anyone could even think that.

I don't think anyone is entertaining that idea.

Maybe you should have bothered to read the OP:

"Free speech could have been violated a right granted to every citizen no matter what they say..."

 

[Redfish]

The idea that when you're a student you have the right to say anything you want, any time, under any circumstances,

and be protected from any consequences is so absurd that it's hard to believe anyone could even think that.

I don't think anyone is entertaining that idea.

My position is that the government and its agents cannot restrict or punish speech based solely on content. SAE was perfectly justified in shutting down the chapter, but the University would not have been.

and thats the point, either we have free speech or we don't. If what you say offends someone, tough shit. Lots of stuff said by the left offends me, but I would fight for their right to say it.

who got kicked out of school for rioting in Ferguson and screaming "kill the cops" " kill ******" ? No one.

of course most of the rioters were not in any school to get kicked out of.

 

[Judicial review]

I think that the college has the right to refuse service to just about anyone they want. Of course, it is my opinion, that if this were a black frat. then the administration might not have done what they did but we have no way of knowing. Or if the college tried to expel or refuse admission to a black person, such as MalcomX because of his views there would be a gigantic firestorm of crap raining down.

Don't you people think it is way past time to stop with the racists BS? I sure do but we are inundated with race from the left every single day. Almost nothing can be said about a person without the left bring up race, if the person is not white. Call Obama a monkey, racism, call Bush a monkey, meaningful political banter, at least according to the left. Make a movie with a mostly black cast such as Selma and it sucks just cry racism because no one wants to hear about Selma, we are race fatigued.

I would like to see equal treatment under the law and this situation does point to the inequality of the enforcement of the laws. How can there be ANY group on ANY campus with the term "BLACK" in their title? Why isn't that racist or at the very least discriminatory? How can there be an exclusionary group in Congress named the Black caucus? How? The NAACP, advancement of colored people, to the demise of white people?

If we are going to be completely correct and this college is being correct, in my opinion, then let us rid our country of all bastions of racism. Now I am not for getting rid of all liberals, but that certainly would do the trick. But I am for fairness and enforcing laws across the board.

None of this matters. The racist remarks don't matter at all. Them threatening black students doesn't matter, because that is all allowed under the constitution under freedom of speech and no one can take that away from them. Period. The University did just that when it expelled them for the racist remarks even though they gave some other doctored up reason, which will not hold up in court and be a direct violation of their constitutional rights to free speech. Expelling them for this reason is what took it to far not abolishing the frat house, which was understandable. You have to separate the two. We are talking about something way more important and meaningful here.

 

[Redfish]

The idea that when you're a student you have the right to say anything you want, any time, under any circumstances,

and be protected from any consequences is so absurd that it's hard to believe anyone could even think that.

I don't think anyone is entertaining that idea.

Maybe you should have bothered to read the OP:

"Free speech could have been violated a right granted to every citizen no matter what they say..."

The issue is whether OU had the right to expell them. SAE was perfectly justified in shutting down the chapter, but the actions of OU are a totally different issue.

 

[Freewill]

The idea that when you're a student you have the right to say anything you want, any time, under any circumstances,

and be protected from any consequences is so absurd that it's hard to believe anyone could even think that.

I don't think anyone is entertaining that idea.

My position is that the government and its agents cannot restrict or punish speech based solely on content. SAE was perfectly justified in shutting down the chapter, but the University would not have been.

and thats the point, either we have free speech or we don't. If what you say offends someone, tough shit. Lots of stuff said by the left offends me, but I would fight for their right to say it.

who got kicked out of school for rioting in Ferguson and screaming "kill the cops" " kill ******" ? No one.

of course most of the rioters were not in any school to get kicked out of.

In my opinion it is the school's choice to refuse service. The students have the right to say what they want but there may be a price to pay for that right.

What I look for is equality in enforcement, which I do not see.

 

[Judicial review]

The idea that when you're a student you have the right to say anything you want, any time, under any circumstances,

and be protected from any consequences is so absurd that it's hard to believe anyone could even think that.

I don't think anyone is entertaining that idea.

Maybe you should have bothered to read the OP:

"Free speech could have been violated a right granted to every citizen no matter what they say..."

Exactly. Thank you.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The students have a perfect case. They were off campus in a private venue. Punishing people for unpopular statements is exactly what the 1A was meant to prevent.

Yes, and OU even invaded that privacy. The school needs to be sued for infringement.

 

[Judicial review]

The idea that when you're a student you have the right to say anything you want, any time, under any circumstances,

and be protected from any consequences is so absurd that it's hard to believe anyone could even think that.

I don't think anyone is entertaining that idea.

My position is that the government and its agents cannot restrict or punish speech based solely on content. SAE was perfectly justified in shutting down the chapter, but the University would not have been.

and thats the point, either we have free speech or we don't. If what you say offends someone, tough shit. Lots of stuff said by the left offends me, but I would fight for their right to say it.

who got kicked out of school for rioting in Ferguson and screaming "kill the cops" " kill ******" ? No one.

of course most of the rioters were not in any school to get kicked out of.

In my opinion it is the school's choice to refuse service. The students have the right to say what they want but there may be a price to pay for that right.

What I look for is equality in enforcement, which I do not see.

They however cannot no matter what use what the student says as grounds to expel them. Period. Public universities are bound by the 1st amendment in the bill of rights in the Constitution.

Private universities aren't.

 

[Freewill]

I think that the college has the right to refuse service to just about anyone they want. Of course, it is my opinion, that if this were a black frat. then the administration might not have done what they did but we have no way of knowing. Or if the college tried to expel or refuse admission to a black person, such as MalcomX because of his views there would be a gigantic firestorm of crap raining down.

Don't you people think it is way past time to stop with the racists BS? I sure do but we are inundated with race from the left every single day. Almost nothing can be said about a person without the left bring up race, if the person is not white. Call Obama a monkey, racism, call Bush a monkey, meaningful political banter, at least according to the left. Make a movie with a mostly black cast such as Selma and it sucks just cry racism because no one wants to hear about Selma, we are race fatigued.

I would like to see equal treatment under the law and this situation does point to the inequality of the enforcement of the laws. How can there be ANY group on ANY campus with the term "BLACK" in their title? Why isn't that racist or at the very least discriminatory? How can there be an exclusionary group in Congress named the Black caucus? How? The NAACP, advancement of colored people, to the demise of white people?

If we are going to be completely correct and this college is being correct, in my opinion, then let us rid our country of all bastions of racism. Now I am not for getting rid of all liberals, but that certainly would do the trick. But I am for fairness and enforcing laws across the board.

None of this matters. The racist remarks don't matter at all. Them threatening black students doesn't matter, because that is all allowed under the constitution under freedom of speech and no one can take that away from them. Period. The University did just that when it expelled them for the racist remarks even though they gave some other doctored up reason, which will not hold up in court and be a direct violation of their constitutional rights to free speech. Expelling them for this reason is what took it to far not abolishing the frat house, which was understandable. You have to separate the two. We are talking about something way more important and meaningful here.

Nope, free speech does not extend to threatening people, at least in my opinion. If the students sang a some about the NAACP being a racist organization then I would say, OK freedom of speech that is their opinion. But as soon as they start singing about lynching people they have crossed the line.

That said, the school, and anyone else, has the right to refuse service for their own reasons as long as it is keeping with civil rights acts. Refusing service because of differing thought or beliefs is not discriminatory. As long as that practice is applied equally.

 

[Judicial review]

The students have a perfect case. They were off campus in a private venue. Punishing people for unpopular statements is exactly what the 1A was meant to prevent.

Yes, and OU even invaded that privacy. The school needs to be sued for infringement.

That's why i said "WIN BIG" in the thread title. They wont just win on the grounds of their free speech being violated and censored, but they were publicly slandered and made an example of for exercising their right to free speech, which could have LIFE long implications that affect every part of their life and even finances.


This take punitive damages to a whole new stratosphere.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The idea that when you're a student you have the right to say anything you want, any time, under any circumstances,

and be protected from any consequences is so absurd that it's hard to believe anyone could even think that.

I don't think anyone is entertaining that idea.

My position is that the government and its agents cannot restrict or punish speech based solely on content. SAE was perfectly justified in shutting down the chapter, but the University would not have been.

and thats the point, either we have free speech or we don't. If what you say offends someone, tough shit. Lots of stuff said by the left offends me, but I would fight for their right to say it.

who got kicked out of school for rioting in Ferguson and screaming "kill the cops" " kill ******" ? No one.

of course most of the rioters were not in any school to get kicked out of.

In my opinion it is the school's choice to refuse service. The students have the right to say what they want but there may be a price to pay for that right.

What I look for is equality in enforcement, which I do not see.

They however cannot no matter what use what the student says as grounds to expel them. Period. Public universities are bound by the 1st amendment in the bill of rights in the Constitution.

Private universities aren't.

So a student in a class who decides to call his black teacher/professor Mr. N***** at every opportunity CANNOT be disciplined in any way?

 

[jillian]

If there wasn't a code or rule being violated, then the college just censored free speech and on top of it slandered these students reputation by publicizing this situation in the way that they did, and potentially did financial harm to them.

It's a "public" university. Free speech could have been violated a right granted to every citizen no matter what they say under article 1 of the constitution.

on what do you base the fallacious assessment above?

there are always character and morals requirements at school.

but good luck with that argument.

 

[pinqy]

The idea that when you're a student you have the right to say anything you want, any time, under any circumstances,

and be protected from any consequences is so absurd that it's hard to believe anyone could even think that.

I don't think anyone is entertaining that idea.

Maybe you should have bothered to read the OP:

"Free speech could have been violated a right granted to every citizen no matter what they say..."

Saying that free speech is a right granted to every citizen no mattter what they say is not the same as saying that you have the right to say anything you want any time under any circumstances.