OK....Trump Won! So What?

[PoliticalChic]

I mean, there's a lot of paranoid conspiratorial stuff going around.

And some of it's pretty delusional. You don't think that there's 100 million illegal immigrants in the country, do you? That's insane.

Let's see what the experts say, you dunce.





Proof?

Let's prove the 50 to 80 million number, with quotes and documentation, added to the 12.5 million Biden-Harris brought in.



"Est., 11 million illegals."



Based on your accepting that bogus 'estimate,' you may continue to be astoundingly dumb.



1. That answer moves you firmly into the category of 'moron.'

Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.



2. "... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.



Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?





There are between 50 million and 80 million illegal aliens living in this country.







3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes



"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.



When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research



Increased the totals by 13%!!!

Now....hold on tight....this is gonna involve mathematics, so I may lose you here:



Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.









But wait!!!

There's more!



4. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.



"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.





Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.



He concludes that:



My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.









5. Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research



....and that number is over a decade old!!!!!!



Gettin' nervous?





6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.



The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.





Hence...even a tiny fraction of them voting would be 3-6 million votes.





And lots of 'em vote.......after all, that's why the Democrats brought them here.

 

[Marener]

Let's see what the experts say, you dunce.





Proof?

Let's prove the 50 to 80 million number, with quotes and documentation, added to the 12.5 million Biden-Harris brought in.



"Est., 11 million illegals."



Based on your accepting that bogus 'estimate,' you may continue to be astoundingly dumb.



1. That answer moves you firmly into the category of 'moron.'

Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.



2. "... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.



Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?





There are between 50 million and 80 million illegal aliens living in this country.







3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes



"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.



When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research



Increased the totals by 13%!!!

Now....hold on tight....this is gonna involve mathematics, so I may lose you here:



Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.









But wait!!!

There's more!



4. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.



"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.





Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.



He concludes that:



My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.









5. Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research



....and that number is over a decade old!!!!!!



Gettin' nervous?





6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.



The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.





Hence...even a tiny fraction of them voting would be 3-6 million votes.





And lots of 'em vote.......after all, that's why the Democrats brought them here.

Jesus, this is just so delusional.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Once the Left is forced to admit that the bogus "11 million illegal aliens" live in this nation....
...with the real number over 50 million....then the number voting is easy to understand.

And, Democrats make it easy:
"The biggest misconception about the problem of non-citizen voting is that illegal aliens are "undocumented." That's nonsense. Some experts believe that up to 75% of illegals who work in America have fraudulent Social Security cards. Fake licenses, birth certificates, and green cards are incredibly common. The fake ID industry is worth more than $2 billion."
Report: As Many as 5.7 Million Non-Citizens Voted in 2008 Election

 

[Lumpy 1]

I must tell you, Lumpy, that that is far from reality. Today I was asked the name of the theatre where Lincoln was shot......and I couldn't remember the name Ford.
And I had been there with my kids.
I felt so stuuuuuuuuuupid.


I missed you, Lumpy!

I hope you and yours are doing well, happy and healthy!

I go through life feeling blessed and at the moment happy and healthy fits the you and yours pretty well.
... and I've been around just a lot less. Hugs and respect my friend ..

 

[PoliticalChic]

Jesus, this is just so delusional.

Since my research is documented, you must be the delusional one, huh?

But, heck.....you believed every one of these Democrat lies, too......


There are sooooo very many lies on which the Left's politics and promises are built.
One can take his pick....that there is systemic racism, the election was fair, illegals don't vote, gun control is aimed at criminals, CRT isn't taught in government school, welfare stops starvation, the Democrat's flipped and the Republicans became the party of racism, Nazis were rightwing, Liberals founded this nation, Hillary is the smartest woman in the country and Bill Clinton ever had a budget surplus, women have a right to kill their unborn, women get paid less for the same job.....and "1 in 5 women being sexually assaulted while in college."



Democrats lie about everything….on what basis would any of their fabricated data be considered valid???
Here the prism through which every Democrat pronouncement should be viewed: First collusion, collusion, collusion, Russia, Russia, Russia, Obstruction, Obstruction, Obstruction. Racist, Racist, Racist, Impeach, Impeach, Impeach, Recession, Recession, Recession, Emoluments, 25th amendment, “HandsUpDon’tShoot,”Stormy Daniels, lies about Charlottesville fine Nazis, Kurds, Ukraine, Quid Pro Quo, ‘lynching,’ the Kavanaugh hoax, the GAO charges, Lev Parnas, impeachment, coronavirus ‘hoax,’ General Flynn perjury trap, no evidence of voter fraud in the stolen election.....and “More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice president's son."



Don’t forget the Democrats told you that Trump was colluding with Russia…and that wasn’t true. They also told you that so was Naval Academy grad Carter Page and so was George Papadopoulos and so was General Michael Flynn, a three star general and former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency….and all of that was a lie. How stupid must one be to keep believing what they say?
...and, and that ‘armed insurrection’ that never occurred, and AOC lying about her near-death experience in the Capitol Riots.....when she wasn't even in the Capitol. And, of course the 275 Democrat inspired riots were ‘mostly peaceful.’

And that Biden voters as agents provocateur weren't behind the Capitol Riot.....and that Pelosi knew and refused to allow extra security. They lie about everything.......yet Democrat voters are, ready to swallow the next lie.

And that the Wuhan Red Death did not come from a Chinese Communist lab that got its funding via Dr. Fauci, and its purpose was to remove Trump….

FakeStories: Three years of Russian Collusion stories; altering documents at the DoJ and FBI to railroad political opponents; the state media burying the Hunter Biden Scandal what with Joe getting 10% of the bribes; stories about Kavanaugh rape parties, and Covington Catholic School; Carter Page working for Russia when he was actually working for the CIA….where were those ‘fact checkers’? The great lie that there was an ‘insurrection’ January 6th. The lie that it was Republicans who wanted to defund the police. The lie that Critical Race Theory wasn’t being taught. The lie that 600,000 died from the Wuhan Red Death.
What should you do when they lied to you at least these 30 times already???????????

Democrats claimed it was Republicans who demanded defunding the police, AOC claimed ten people were killed Jan6th, Ilhan Omar blames the police for crime, they claimed that CRT wasn’t being taught in government school, men can become pregnant, and MAGA fans attacked Jussie Smollett, inflation due to Putin and the invasion…

• Brett Kavanaugh — Serial Rapist
• President Michael Avenatti
• The Covington KKKids Hoax
• Hands Up, Don’t Shoot
• George Zimmerman
• Mostly Peaceful Black Lives Matter Riots
• The Russia Collusion Hoax
• Antifa Stormed the Beaches on D-Day
• Cuomo (D-NY): King of Coronavirus Competence
• The Clearing of Lafayette Square Hoax
• The Lab Leak Theory Has Been Debunked Hoax
• The Russians Are Behind Hunter’s Laptop Hoax
• The Russian Bounty Hoax
• The Capitol Police Officer Killed with a Fire Extinguisher Hoax
• The Very Fine People Hoax
• Men Can Magically Transform into Women
• And on and on and on…

…what is the point of watching any corporate media outlet? All they do is lie. Even if you are an NPR wine mom, you do not want to be serially lied to.
The era of corporate media influence is ending thanks to the over the top bias, and that should be good for the future. Americans are rebelling against these exposed frauds, and 2022 should be a turning point."
Mark Simone 710

 

[SeaMajor7]

Maj, don't be too quick.

It must be killed, and killed, and killed again.

Just read some of the responses in this thread.

The Leftists, Democrat supporters, are the political equivalent of Michael Myers in Halloween part pi.

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I understand that the people I over describe as demented avenger subverted demoralized Marxist Leninist Stalinist zombies cannot be reached.

The truth is that they are the minority, no matter what the MSM or social media says.
Those poor souls are "quick to judge; quick to anger; slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear go hand in hand."

 

[Robert W]

Some real delusional nonsense going on all day today.

Like Harris should have won!!!!!

 

[Robert W]

Since my research is documented, you must be the delusional one, huh?

But, heck.....you believed every one of these Democrat lies, too......


There are sooooo very many lies on which the Left's politics and promises are built.
One can take his pick....that there is systemic racism, the election was fair, illegals don't vote, gun control is aimed at criminals, CRT isn't taught in government school, welfare stops starvation, the Democrat's flipped and the Republicans became the party of racism, Nazis were rightwing, Liberals founded this nation, Hillary is the smartest woman in the country and Bill Clinton ever had a budget surplus, women have a right to kill their unborn, women get paid less for the same job.....and "1 in 5 women being sexually assaulted while in college."



Democrats lie about everything….on what basis would any of their fabricated data be considered valid???
Here the prism through which every Democrat pronouncement should be viewed: First collusion, collusion, collusion, Russia, Russia, Russia, Obstruction, Obstruction, Obstruction. Racist, Racist, Racist, Impeach, Impeach, Impeach, Recession, Recession, Recession, Emoluments, 25th amendment, “HandsUpDon’tShoot,”Stormy Daniels, lies about Charlottesville fine Nazis, Kurds, Ukraine, Quid Pro Quo, ‘lynching,’ the Kavanaugh hoax, the GAO charges, Lev Parnas, impeachment, coronavirus ‘hoax,’ General Flynn perjury trap, no evidence of voter fraud in the stolen election.....and “More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice president's son."



Don’t forget the Democrats told you that Trump was colluding with Russia…and that wasn’t true. They also told you that so was Naval Academy grad Carter Page and so was George Papadopoulos and so was General Michael Flynn, a three star general and former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency….and all of that was a lie. How stupid must one be to keep believing what they say?
...and, and that ‘armed insurrection’ that never occurred, and AOC lying about her near-death experience in the Capitol Riots.....when she wasn't even in the Capitol. And, of course the 275 Democrat inspired riots were ‘mostly peaceful.’

And that Biden voters as agents provocateur weren't behind the Capitol Riot.....and that Pelosi knew and refused to allow extra security. They lie about everything.......yet Democrat voters are, ready to swallow the next lie.

And that the Wuhan Red Death did not come from a Chinese Communist lab that got its funding via Dr. Fauci, and its purpose was to remove Trump….

FakeStories: Three years of Russian Collusion stories; altering documents at the DoJ and FBI to railroad political opponents; the state media burying the Hunter Biden Scandal what with Joe getting 10% of the bribes; stories about Kavanaugh rape parties, and Covington Catholic School; Carter Page working for Russia when he was actually working for the CIA….where were those ‘fact checkers’? The great lie that there was an ‘insurrection’ January 6th. The lie that it was Republicans who wanted to defund the police. The lie that Critical Race Theory wasn’t being taught. The lie that 600,000 died from the Wuhan Red Death.
What should you do when they lied to you at least these 30 times already???????????

Democrats claimed it was Republicans who demanded defunding the police, AOC claimed ten people were killed Jan6th, Ilhan Omar blames the police for crime, they claimed that CRT wasn’t being taught in government school, men can become pregnant, and MAGA fans attacked Jussie Smollett, inflation due to Putin and the invasion…

• Brett Kavanaugh — Serial Rapist
• President Michael Avenatti
• The Covington KKKids Hoax
• Hands Up, Don’t Shoot
• George Zimmerman
• Mostly Peaceful Black Lives Matter Riots
• The Russia Collusion Hoax
• Antifa Stormed the Beaches on D-Day
• Cuomo (D-NY): King of Coronavirus Competence
• The Clearing of Lafayette Square Hoax
• The Lab Leak Theory Has Been Debunked Hoax
• The Russians Are Behind Hunter’s Laptop Hoax
• The Russian Bounty Hoax
• The Capitol Police Officer Killed with a Fire Extinguisher Hoax
• The Very Fine People Hoax
• Men Can Magically Transform into Women
• And on and on and on…

…what is the point of watching any corporate media outlet? All they do is lie. Even if you are an NPR wine mom, you do not want to be serially lied to.
The era of corporate media influence is ending thanks to the over the top bias, and that should be good for the future. Americans are rebelling against these exposed frauds, and 2022 should be a turning point."
Mark Simone 710

Top rated post I read today.
Congratulations.

 

[Marener]

Since my research is documented, you must be the delusional one, huh?

It’s not research. It’s just hand waving nonsense. You can’t tell the difference?

 

[Robert W]

It’s not research. It’s just hand waving nonsense. You can’t tell the difference?

What you wrote is hand waving nonsense. Why can't you tell hers is honest and yours is propaganda?

 

[Marener]

What you wrote is hand waving nonsense. Why can't you tell hers is honest and yours is propaganda?

So you think that one third of the country are illegal aliens? You people are just crazy.

 

[Robert W]

So you think that one third of the country are illegal aliens?

No, I do not think that. I understand 11 million at least are though. How can Americans support illegal aliens merely because Biden supports them as does Harris?

 

[Marener]

No, I do not think that. I understand 11 million at least are though. How can Americans support illegal aliens merely because Biden supports them as does Harris?

That’s what the other poster claimed and you said that her post was honest.

Yet again, you find yourself in a position of not really knowing what you’re taking about.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I understand that the people I over describe as demented avenger subverted demoralized Marxist Leninist Stalinist zombies cannot be reached.

The truth is that they are the minority, no matter what the MSM or social media says.
Those poor souls are "quick to judge; quick to anger; slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear go hand in hand."

If they were the minority.....at least in power........then we wouldn't be living the lie of "Red And Blue."



They are powerful enought to turn the political identification of the two ideologies upside down, and today the Marxist are called "Blue states" and the normal Americans saddled with the insult of "Red states."



Because they might recognize the Democrats for who they really are.



And that is why the representative colors were changed.
.....the Democrat media altered the 'color' of states for an obvious reason:

Peripheral to your point, but may I vent on this point.....the 'color of states' thing is like fingernails on a blackboard to me.

We are blue, they are red.



Red is traditionally associated with socialism and communism. The oldest symbol of socialism (and, by extension, communism) is the Red Flag, which dates back to the revolutions of 1848. The colour red was chosen to represent the blood of the workers who died in the struggle against capitalism. All major socialist and communist alliances and organisations – including the First, Second, and Third Internationals – used red as their official colour. The association between the colour red and communism is particularly strong. Communists use red much more often and more extensively than other ideologies use their respective traditional colours.







In the United States, since the year 2000, the mass media have associated red with the Republican Party, despite the fact that the Republican Party is a conservative-leaning party. Since at least 2010, the party has adopted an all red logo.

Political colour - Wikipedia





"The choice of colors in this divide is counter-intuitive to many international observers, as throughout the world, red is commonly the designated color for parties representing labor, socialist, and/or liberal interests [5] [6], which in the United States would be more closely correlated with the Democratic Party. Similarly, blue is used in these countries to depict conservative parties which in the case of the United States would be a color more suitable for the Republicans. For example, in Canada party colors are deeply ingrained and historic and have been unchanged during the Twentieth Century. Red states and blue states - Wikipedia







The Democrats should be Gray….reminiscent of the outfits they wore when they were the Confederacy, and we’re Blue….the color we wore when we pried their slaves away from them.

Justice will not be on the upswing until the true color scheme is put back in place.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It’s not research. It’s just hand waving nonsense. You can’t tell the difference?

Sooooooo........whats the reason you believed the other 50 lies and hoaxes that the Democrats fed you?


Just stupid???


Or a coward?

 

[Marener]

Sooooooo........whats the reason you believed the other 50 lies and hoaxes that the Democrats fed you?


Just stupid???


Or a coward?

Don’t worry. You’re the only one on here stupid enough to believe there’s 100 million illegal aliens in the country.

Not even the other conservatives thinks that’s rational.

That should tell you something.

 

[Robert W]

So you think that one third of the country are illegal aliens? You people are just crazy.

Politichick never made that claim. I have not either made that claim.

 

[Dagosa]

First time you admitted Biden allowed 11 million in this country. Biden keeps denying it.

What an uninformed bozo
11 million total….undocumented foolish..

 

[SeaMajor7]

If they were the minority.....at least in power........then we wouldn't be living the lie of "Red And Blue."



They are powerful enought to turn the political identification of the two ideologies upside down, and today the Marxist are called "Blue states" and the normal Americans saddled with the insult of "Red states."



Because they might recognize the Democrats for who they really are.



And that is why the representative colors were changed.
.....the Democrat media altered the 'color' of states for an obvious reason:

Peripheral to your point, but may I vent on this point.....the 'color of states' thing is like fingernails on a blackboard to me.

We are blue, they are red.



Red is traditionally associated with socialism and communism. The oldest symbol of socialism (and, by extension, communism) is the Red Flag, which dates back to the revolutions of 1848. The colour red was chosen to represent the blood of the workers who died in the struggle against capitalism. All major socialist and communist alliances and organisations – including the First, Second, and Third Internationals – used red as their official colour. The association between the colour red and communism is particularly strong. Communists use red much more often and more extensively than other ideologies use their respective traditional colours.







In the United States, since the year 2000, the mass media have associated red with the Republican Party, despite the fact that the Republican Party is a conservative-leaning party. Since at least 2010, the party has adopted an all red logo.

Political colour - Wikipedia





"The choice of colors in this divide is counter-intuitive to many international observers, as throughout the world, red is commonly the designated color for parties representing labor, socialist, and/or liberal interests [5] [6], which in the United States would be more closely correlated with the Democratic Party. Similarly, blue is used in these countries to depict conservative parties which in the case of the United States would be a color more suitable for the Republicans. For example, in Canada party colors are deeply ingrained and historic and have been unchanged during the Twentieth Century. Red states and blue states - Wikipedia







The Democrats should be Gray….reminiscent of the outfits they wore when they were the Confederacy, and we’re Blue….the color we wore when we pried their slaves away from them.

Justice will not be on the upswing until the true color scheme is put back in place.

The "Big Switch"

Yeah, that happened.

Probably the only example of self-awareness EVER from the demented LEFT.

 

[Marener]

Politichick never made that claim. I have not either made that claim.

She said there are 100 million illegals in a country of about 300 million.

That’s ******* crazy.