Ohio about to break unions; Bill passes house!

[Trajan]

Almost every one of the top rated states in education is liberal and unionized.

also the lowest rated are unionized

The right-to-work states, mostly in the South, SUCK at education.

really? what metric are you using?

 

[DiveCon]

also the lowest rated are unionized

The right-to-work states, mostly in the South, SUCK at education.

really? what metric are you using?

his ass
you know, where he gets most of his "facts"

 

[Moon]

The right-to-work states, mostly in the South, SUCK at education.

really? what metric are you using?

his ass
you know, where he gets most of his "facts"

The metric doesn't matter, since it really wasn't a response to your point. It's like if you said the sky was blue and someone replied "yeah, but it's cold outside". Seems logical on its face, but is really just a nonsensical response and is merely a diversion from the topic.

 

[Charles_Main]

Almost every one of the top rated states in education is liberal and unionized.

also the lowest rated are unionized

The right-to-work states, mostly in the South, SUCK at education.

Please the entire country sucks at education.

 

[Care4all]

also the lowest rated are unionized

The right-to-work states, mostly in the South, SUCK at education.

Please the entire country sucks at education.

NO, the entire country does not suck in education....

 

[Charles_Main]

The right-to-work states, mostly in the South, SUCK at education.

Please the entire country sucks at education.

NO, the entire country does not suck in education....

Um we rank way below many many other Nations. Hate to tell you it, but as a nation we are failing miserably in Education. The Sad news is we spend more per pupil than a lot of those places beating us.

Hell Wisconsin, which is Unionized ranked in the bottom 20% in their test scores while being near the top in Cost per pupil. Just how does that jive with your claims?

Oh and by the way, just because a state has Right to Work laws does not mean it has no unions. maybe you do not understand what right to work laws are. Mostly all they do is say you can not be forced to pay union dues as a requirement to work somewhere. It does not mean there can not be unions, it just breaks their Monopoly on it.

 

[Wicked Jester]

The right-to-work states, mostly in the South, SUCK at education.

Please the entire country sucks at education.

NO, the entire country does not suck in education....

Let's rephrase it:

The entire country sucks at PUBLIC education.

There, fixed!

 

[Charles_Main]

Please the entire country sucks at education.

NO, the entire country does not suck in education....

Let's rephrase it:

The entire country sucks at PUBLIC education.

There, fixed!

Thanks for clarifying that for me.

 

[Wicked Jester]

NO, the entire country does not suck in education....

Let's rephrase it:

The entire country sucks at PUBLIC education.

There, fixed!

Thanks for clarifying that for me.

No prob!

 

[thereisnospoon]

No union has a monopoly.

You, of course, "heard" wrong. Right wing estimates of all union, public and private, support for the Dems in the 2010 election were $170 million. CON$ervative corporate groups spent $300 million on TV ads for the GOP in 2010. So, I would guess, suddenly hundreds of millions of CORPORATE monopoly dollars going to the GOP is not "corruption at its finest," but free speech.

All 600,000 NJ public workers are union.....That's a monopoly.
Now, if there were non-union public employees in NJ along with union employees, you'd be correct.

BULLSHIT!

There are non-union public employees in NJ.

really? Where? Part timers? Summertime high school and college workers? The "deer lady"? Cut the bullshit.
Just because you say it is so does not make it so..
NJ is a closed shop forced union state. All full time government employees are represented by unions. In other words, one cannot become employed in a government job in NJ if they do not join the union which represents the workers. THAT is a monopoly....

 

[edthecynic]

Union membership has been in decline for decades, and yet we haven't seen a massive rolling back of legislation protecting workers, and most companies today understand the value of dedicated, educated and trained employees. I guess your attempt at fear mongering fell a wee bit short.

Just because it hasn't happened YET does not mean the CON$ haven't been trying. CON$ will always try to nibble away at workers rights any and all ways they can.

For example, one of Bush's nominations to the Court of Appeals has openly embraced a return to the Supreme Court's so-called 'Lochner' era. Under Lochner, laws the National Labor Relations Act which protects the right of workers to organize into unions and the Fair Labor Standards Act which includes the first minimum wage and bans child labor would be ruled unconstitutional.

So it hasn't happened, there's no push to make it happen, but since on the slimmest of infinitesimal possibilities it might happen, that's reason enough for you and those that think like you to crank up the Fearmonger Express.

Good luck with that.

There has been a steady push by the GOP to roll back workers rights in both the Judicial branch, shown above, and in the legislature. Since the GOP have taken the majority they have voted to erase workers ability to appeal unjust workplace actions by eliminating the National Labor Relations Board, voted to undermine wages of construction workers and others on federal projects, and voted to roll back basic workplace health and safety protections guaranteed by federal law.

You can only say there has been no push if you:

 

[edthecynic]

All 600,000 NJ public workers are union.....That's a monopoly.
Now, if there were non-union public employees in NJ along with union employees, you'd be correct.

BULLSHIT!

There are non-union public employees in NJ.

really? Where? Part timers? Summertime high school and college workers? The "deer lady"? Cut the bullshit.
Just because you say it is so does not make it so..
NJ is a closed shop forced union state. All full time government employees are represented by unions. In other words, one cannot become employed in a government job in NJ if they do not join the union which represents the workers. THAT is a monopoly....

Just because you say it is so does not make it so..

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

 

[Moon]

Just because it hasn't happened YET does not mean the CON$ haven't been trying. CON$ will always try to nibble away at workers rights any and all ways they can.

For example, one of Bush's nominations to the Court of Appeals has openly embraced a return to the Supreme Court's so-called 'Lochner' era. Under Lochner, laws the National Labor Relations Act which protects the right of workers to organize into unions and the Fair Labor Standards Act which includes the first minimum wage and bans child labor would be ruled unconstitutional.

So it hasn't happened, there's no push to make it happen, but since on the slimmest of infinitesimal possibilities it might happen, that's reason enough for you and those that think like you to crank up the Fearmonger Express.

Good luck with that.

There has been a steady push by the GOP to roll back workers rights in both the Judicial branch, shown above, and in the legislature. Since the GOP have taken the majority they have voted to erase workers ability to appeal unjust workplace actions by eliminating the National Labor Relations Board, voted to undermine wages of construction workers and others on federal projects, and voted to roll back basic workplace health and safety protections guaranteed by federal law.

You can only say there has been no push if you:

Yeah, sorry, but no push of any kind. You making unsupported claims about one guy is not a push. Good luck with your fearmongering.

 

[edthecynic]

Looks like Ohio may beat Wisconsin to the punch, as the Ohio Dems are man enough to show up and live up to their possible defeat rather than running like children.

Last night on the news, they said the Ohio bill was even worse for unions than the Wisconsin bill.

The Ohio bill passed the house, and is in the Republican controlled Senate, then to the Republican governor.

Games up boys. Unions are gonna slowly be dismantled. The massive influx of cash from unions to Democrat candidates will be severely cut off from these union break ups. Combined with the SCOTUS decision to allow corporations their freedom of speech to give to candidates, this spells doom for a lot of Democrats in future elections.

You guys are such sensationalist alarmists. The Bill does not break Unions, It does curtail some of their power, Especially in the Public Sector. But Break the Unions? Not even close.

Governments and Municipalities should not be signing long term contracts with Unions anyways, specially when half the time the people negotiating with the Unions, are in the back pocket.

Actually, it does, as the OP candidly admits.

Here's more:

How Walker Will Transform Wisconsin - Murphy's Law - Milwaukee Magazine

It is breathtaking to read the nonpartisan Legislative Council's rundown of Walker's proposal to see how he is decimating the current collective bargaining law. Unions will have to get re-elected on a yearly basis - by May for unions representing local government workers and by December for those representing teachers. Yet they must negotiate annual contracts only, and there would be little reason for governments to begin negotiations until the new union has been elected that year. Unions, moreover, can't negotiate benefits, only salaries, and the salaries can never raise faster than the rate of inflation. In essence, local and state government could offer a raise in wages that equals inflation and pass all increases in benefits costs to employees, and unions would have no power to object.

Given how little unions will be able to do for workers, there wouldn't be much reason to pay union dues. But Walker makes that a certainty because his proposal also ends the rule that union dues are automatically collected on any union member's paycheck. Once enough union members decide to become "free riders" and forgo paying dues, the revenue and staffing and power of unions will decline accordingly.

This is a sweeping change in the landscape of labor-management relations, yet Walker has allowed little room for discussion. He announced the plan on Friday, Feb. 11 and wanted a legislative vote by the following Thursday, Feb. 17. Only a walkout by Senate Democrats prevented this from happening. Given how huge a change this is, you might have thought there would have been a desire for some study and discussion of the legislation's impact.

Its impact could be far reaching, making teaching an undesirable profession. In the last two decades, the cost of medical care has tripled, raising several times faster than inflation. Under the Walker rules, teachers could well find they get a cost of living increase in salary each year and yet due to increases in health insurance payments, see the value of their total compensation decline year by year by year.

The free market answer to this, of course, is that school districts will have to offer enough in benefits to get good teachers. Perhaps. But the market didn't seem to work very well prior to the rise of teacher unions.

How Republicans Will Benefit

In recent years, business groups have targeted state supreme court races, spending millions in states like Wisconsin to get business-friendly candidates elected. They have greatly outspent the other side, and that advantage may increase as a result of the U.S. Supreme Court decision that allows unlimited corporate spending. And the demise of unions would likely increase that advantage.

WEAC, the state teachers union, has provided funding for Democratic candidates, and is a frequent antagonist of the Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce and Republican candidates. The Walker plan to decimate public unions would inevitably leave WEAC with a much smaller war chest for elections.

And it could be a long time before Democrats could overturn the law. They would need to win the position of governor and regain control of both houses of the legislature. In a purple state like Wisconsin, that is difficult to achieve and could take a decade or two to accomplish. That task becomes all the more difficult if WEAC and public employee unions are stripped of their power.

In short, there is a huge political advantage for Walker and the Republicans to kill public unions.

This is a dreadful time for private sector unions. They have been in decline for 30 years, with ever fewer members and resources. If public sector unions begin to shrink as well, what is the impact for America?

It is no coincidence that the wage gap between average workers and CEO pay has exploded while private sector unions have declined. The average pay of America's top CEO was $479,000 in 1979, according to Business Week, but had jumped to $9.5 million by 2009. CEOs who once earned 40 times the pay of the average worker now make at least 400 times more.

The wealth gap in America is the greatest it has been since the Roaring Twenties. In 1928, the top one-hundredth of 1 percent of American families earned 892 times more income than the bottom 90 percent of Americans. That gap declined for decades before it began climbing in the late 1970s. Today the top one-hundredth of one percent of American families earns 976 times more than the bottom 90 percent of Americans.

As public worker unions and public employee wages decline, we're likely to see this gap increase.

 

[JFK_USA]

It's the new reality. We just can't afford unions at the public sector level anymore.

I hope you enjoy making a nickel a day. Because that obviosuly what you want. No worker rights YEAH!!! I mean those greedy, everybody, for expecting more than a nickel a day right bucs? Yeah everybody sucks.

 

[edthecynic]

So it hasn't happened, there's no push to make it happen, but since on the slimmest of infinitesimal possibilities it might happen, that's reason enough for you and those that think like you to crank up the Fearmonger Express.

Good luck with that.

There has been a steady push by the GOP to roll back workers rights in both the Judicial branch, shown above, and in the legislature. Since the GOP have taken the majority they have voted to erase workers ability to appeal unjust workplace actions by eliminating the National Labor Relations Board, voted to undermine wages of construction workers and others on federal projects, and voted to roll back basic workplace health and safety protections guaranteed by federal law.

You can only say there has been no push if you:

Yeah, sorry, but no push of any kind. You making unsupported claims about one guy is not a push. Good luck with your fearmongering.

I love it, the GOP congress is "one guy." BRILLIANT

 

[JFK_USA]

of course it's about dismantling the democratic party.

funny, though, how it's the brainwashed losers who really need union protection who rail against them.

freaks and wingnuts.

Who needs union protections anymore? The unions got laws passed that protect all workers from workplace abuse, we dont need the union now that we have labor laws.

We did need unions before though as things were bad.

Private sector unions = A-OK
Public Sector Unions= Not OK

And you don't think businesses will stop at nothing to get all those things repealed? They will. This is the end of the middle class. We will all be poor by the time Republicans are done. Like your job? Expect to be paid a nickel a day.

Why don't you stand up for your rights as an American Worker and stop the republicans.

 

[Moon]

There has been a steady push by the GOP to roll back workers rights in both the Judicial branch, shown above, and in the legislature. Since the GOP have taken the majority they have voted to erase workers ability to appeal unjust workplace actions by eliminating the National Labor Relations Board, voted to undermine wages of construction workers and others on federal projects, and voted to roll back basic workplace health and safety protections guaranteed by federal law.

You can only say there has been no push if you:

Yeah, sorry, but no push of any kind. You making unsupported claims about one guy is not a push. Good luck with your fearmongering.

I love it, the GOP congress is "one guy." BRILLIANT

And still your claims go unsupported. Should I be surprised? No, I don't think so.

 

[EdSchultzIsFat]

No, no, NO.

They're going to recall ALL the republicans in the Wisconsin Senate and that will fix it all.

Don't pay any attention to Rhode Island, either.

is that a giant ferret holding an AK-47?

 

[Whitefeather]

How is this a Union busting bill?

Even WI is not a Union busting bill, why are you saying this? If the Union fails in WI it's because it's members left, the bill does not dissolve the Union in any way.

I agree but it takes all the bargaining power away from the people. Once they have taken all the bargaining power away from the people how long will it be before they start losing some of their benefits not to mention having to take paycuts??????