Official USMB What is a Wall? Why a Wall?

[22lcidw]

When Black people commit a crime THEY GET 3 strikes, when illegal aliens commit crimes they get amnesty & benefits

you can claim people in mexico but you cant claim people in new orleans. the black community is being destroyed by racist sanctuary policies

Crippled Ken at maguire has a fence around it and is civilian privileged. Claim the government employee.

 

[basquebromance]

If there was a move towards a borderless world, the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001 have managed to dash any such hopes

 

[caddo kid]

oh great; another FVCKING WALL Thread ........... how many is that, today?>>>>>>>>

But this is a Democrat wall...or did you miss that part?

Heads UP... READ THE LISTINGS -- before starting new threads..

 

[H B Lowrie]

First off I'm not even bothering to read Breitbart as a source for anything. Secondly I can't imagine agreeing with Pelosi on anything. So I'm just not drawn to any of this.

And yet you respond.

Yup, over-n-out, cheers.

 

[rightwinger]

The only wall that Democrats want to give Trump

 

[basquebromance]

‘old borders never die, they just get rearranged’ -- General Douglas MacArthur

 

[Correll]

We have tens of millions of illegals living in this country.


If we do not have an "open border" it is close enough that quibbling over semantics is not what we should be wasting time on.


BUILD THE WALL, DEPORT THE ILLEGALS, **** THE EMPLOYERS, AND LET'S LIMIT THE DAMAGE TO THE NATION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.


Which probably isn't much.

Do you know how many people cross the border through ground, air and sea every day? You gotta look at the big picture and how many people do cross to come here for both travel and for work. Consider all it takes to process that. We spend a ton of resources to manage that extraordinary amount of traffic to make our country as safe as possible. Yes we can do better. But No, we do not have open borders, not even close.

The Big Picture is the tens of millions of people have entered our country, either illegally, or legally and then overstayed.


That is a huge problem, and a violation of the rights of Americans to decide who to invite to join our community.

Agreed. I’ve never denied that. But we don’t have open borders, not even close. And we obviously have different policy ideas on how to beat address the problem as do all the clowns in Washington. I’m curious though, why is the majority of your focus on the Wall, when the majority of drugs and illegals are coming in through ports of entry? That’s where you lose me with your argument.

If you agree it is a huge problem, and a violation of the rights of Americans to decide who to invite to join our society,


then any disagreement you have about "open border" is a matter of minor semantics.


My "focus" is on the Wall, for that is the current issue of discussion.


Be assured that Trump will not be judged solely on whether or not the Wall is built, but on the overall effect his administration has on the horrific immigration situation.

I go after the “open border” claim because it is a dishonest talking point being used to discredit liberals and it is counterproductive to efficient discussion.

The issue is border security, not the wall. The wall is how Trump wants to do it. The counter argument is that the majority of illegals and drugs come here through ports of entry so that should be our focus.

Trumps hyperbole, propaganda or whatever you want to call it around the wall has turned it into a racial, xenophobic and an American values issue for many of his opponents so it makes it near impossible for them to support. That’s what happens when you pour fuel on the fires of hate and division.

That’s the political reality. Now if you are really interested in helping the immigration and border problem you would focus on the best solutions, not just the ones the media is talking about. Something can get done in the ports of entry where the bulk of the issues are. Why not focus on that instead of the wall?

1. The Wall will help greatly with a large part of the problem. If addressing the problem is your goal, the you should support it.

2. Nothing Trump has done has made the Wall racist. It is those who call it "racist", falsely that are being divisive. Disagreeing about how to do something is not divisive. Calling those who you disagree with, "racist" is divisive.

3. If I spend my time talking about, say, punishing employers, when the current topic of debate is the Wall, that just makes me irrelevant.

 

[eagle1462010]

The only wall that Democrats want to give Trump

Walls don't work............haven't you been listening to MSM lately

 

[dcbl]

The native Americans should've built a wall too.

Why didn’t they?

They were to liquored up

-Geaux

Dont worry their bloodline is taking over slowly...qlmost every major city now has a majority Latinos. .

Yep. Democratic Party America’s largest racist organization. Sure, let Latinos run the country. We would end up like Central American banana Republics. Coup and counter revolution. Corruption and dictatorship.

That's just the racist you, thinking because of your skin color you are siperior.
The mother of all civilizations (egyptians) non white.
The moors who taught your ancestors how to take a bath and built cities and brought them out of the dark ages...were non white.
Get off your high horse, the moors ruled for 800 years, your ancestors who fled Europe ruled for barely a 100 years now.

So history isn't your rhing

Got it

 

[Correll]

you just described Pelosi and Schumer.

Agreed both sides are guilty of the same tactics. Both are responsible. I place more responsibility on the president to set the tone.

The dems are constant in their methods.


Remember when McCain ran? How they turned on him on a dime?

Yes, the partisan team players fight hard for their team and it is destructive especially when they get off the substance and start lying and hyperbolizing everything. The Dems are brutal and play the race card, woman card, minority card etc way too much. The Right likes to jump right to Venezuela and socialism and open borders with everything. At some point we all need to grow the hell up and debate issues honestly.

We have tens of millions of illegals living in this country.


If we do not have an "open border" it is close enough that quibbling over semantics is not what we should be wasting time on.


BUILD THE WALL, DEPORT THE ILLEGALS, **** THE EMPLOYERS, AND LET'S LIMIT THE DAMAGE TO THE NATION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.


Which probably isn't much.

It's actually 11-13M isn't it? Not "tens of millions". If you wish to be taken seriously you will have to behave seriously. So how about we start with a serious number.

And really now, **** the employers? You have no idea how your political/economic system works do you.

1. that 11 million number was shit when it was first pulled out of a lib's ass. Now it is old out of date shit. 30 million is much more likely.


2. Yes, **** the employers. Save your intellectual pretense for someone who might be impressed.

 

[H B Lowrie]

The only wall that Democrats want to give Trump

That party has zero credibility. Their focus on Don is pathological. Intentionally. Lets the party off the hook for not representing the people. Their positions on war and neoliberal economics alone are nonstarters. The primary process is rigged and was defended as legally so in court. We have no clean political parties. I compare partisanshitheads to gang members. Not calling you one, just saying it seems to get to that.

I get the feeling the entire system or power structure or whatever you want to call it, and it is a complicated web, I get that, the beneficiaries of how things are at present?

I think it works for them and they just don't feel pressured to have to be honest with you/us. Unless it seems that they ARE being honest and saying "**** you" the people.

It's quite a system to rely upon for self correction. Capital is in charge. All else is theater.

 

[H B Lowrie]

Agreed both sides are guilty of the same tactics. Both are responsible. I place more responsibility on the president to set the tone.

The dems are constant in their methods.


Remember when McCain ran? How they turned on him on a dime?

Yes, the partisan team players fight hard for their team and it is destructive especially when they get off the substance and start lying and hyperbolizing everything. The Dems are brutal and play the race card, woman card, minority card etc way too much. The Right likes to jump right to Venezuela and socialism and open borders with everything. At some point we all need to grow the hell up and debate issues honestly.

We have tens of millions of illegals living in this country.


If we do not have an "open border" it is close enough that quibbling over semantics is not what we should be wasting time on.


BUILD THE WALL, DEPORT THE ILLEGALS, **** THE EMPLOYERS, AND LET'S LIMIT THE DAMAGE TO THE NATION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.


Which probably isn't much.

It's actually 11-13M isn't it? Not "tens of millions". If you wish to be taken seriously you will have to behave seriously. So how about we start with a serious number.

And really now, **** the employers? You have no idea how your political/economic system works do you.

1. that 11 million number was shit when it was first pulled out of a lib's ass. Now it is old out of date shit. 30 million is much more likely.


2. Yes, **** the employers. Save your intellectual pretense for someone who might be impressed.

1. Don't label the number in some partisanshithead way, cite the number you want to agree upon for the purposes of this conversation. Or just say that you're not interested in one. To have one, we would have to agree upon who's data/number/when. Not just fling off "oh that's some conservative asshole's fart" as if that means anything. So up to you, but we'd need to establish that much to really get into this just a bit deeper than the usual poo fling.

2. What I mean is, good luck. YOur political system is set up to answer to the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class. They have always been exempted because they were the ones who wanted "illegals" here in the first place. They lobbied and think tank drafted legislation all along to make it all happen. And they fund your electoral process. Its all very incestuous. That's all I meant by the reference back to your "**** the employers". We won't. It just won't happen. Watch.

 

[skews13]

To objectively address the thread's title, we need to review Trump's campaign mantra.....

Trump promised his loyal base a wall (never mind the moronic assertion that Mexico would pay for it; THAT was just demagoguery.)

Trump also knows that if a wall is NOT built, his chances of re-election are about as probable as Jill Stein's in 2016

Then we have the made-up DOJ policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted until he or she is out of office and Trump well knows that there are a ton of legal quagmires awaiting him AND his family in 2021 were he out of office.

Finally, the only viable defense that Trump may have in facing these legal issues, is to rely on the statutes of limitation to save his hide.

Sooooooo, the real reason why Trump NEEDS a wall to be built, is NOT because of a made-up "national crisis"........but simply, to keep his fat ass out of bankruptcies, shame and even possibly out of prison.

A distraction.

And between prosecutors in New York and Virginia. His fat ass isn’t going to escape prison.

 

[caddo kid]

Trump NEEDs his wall to score political points with his BRAIN DEAD AZZHOLE BASE; nothing else.

Trump will FORCE all of his illegal alien employees to pay for his wall.

 

[H B Lowrie]

Trump NEEDs his wall to score political points with his BRAIN DEAD AZZHOLE BASE; nothing else.

Trump will FORCE all of his illegal alien employees to pay for his wall.

Media loves the ratings, the masses get some reality tv as middle america continues to be hollowed out economically on the down low. Neoliberal economic incrementalism.

 

[caddo kid]

Trump NEEDs his wall to score political points with his BRAIN DEAD AZZHOLE BASE; nothing else.

Trump will FORCE all of his illegal alien employees to pay for his wall.

Media loves the ratings, the masses get some reality tv as middle america continues to be hollowed out economically on the down low. Neoliberal economic incrementalism.

You ARE aware that Trump properties have been employing 'illegals' for years, all while Trump has been offering his base really nice blow jobs about how bad 'illegals' are; right?

Oh; you didn't know?

 

[flacaltenn]

Evidently a wall is now acceptable to Nancy Pelosi. Although it’s a Technological Wall. Not quite sure that anyone currently has a technological wall butt apparently its a wall of sensors and drones. Not a great idea but sure sounds better than mowing the grass to prevent illegal’s from crawling through the grass.

Nancy Pelosi Pushes 'Technological Wall' Instead of a Fence | Breitbart

Yeah, I found the grass mowing hard to believe too, so...
Democrat Pushes “Mowing The Grass” Control Plan, Because That Would Work

Does Pelosi have pictures of sensors and cameras chasing down people in the cactus and apprehending them? Does this technology prevent them from beating CBP to the nearest road?? This makes Dems look entirely naive and stupid. And maybe insane. Sensors and drones dont' negate the need to have helicopters, horses, ATVs chasing down strangers 24 hours a day...

It's akin to having a door bell and no ******* door...

 

[Norman]

So they are finally admitting that wall is a good idea. Progress...

Give it a couple weeks and they will be begging for Trump to construct that big and beautiful wall. We can add the drones and other technology later. I have heard of worse ideas.

 

[Correll]

The dems are constant in their methods.


Remember when McCain ran? How they turned on him on a dime?

Yes, the partisan team players fight hard for their team and it is destructive especially when they get off the substance and start lying and hyperbolizing everything. The Dems are brutal and play the race card, woman card, minority card etc way too much. The Right likes to jump right to Venezuela and socialism and open borders with everything. At some point we all need to grow the hell up and debate issues honestly.

We have tens of millions of illegals living in this country.


If we do not have an "open border" it is close enough that quibbling over semantics is not what we should be wasting time on.


BUILD THE WALL, DEPORT THE ILLEGALS, **** THE EMPLOYERS, AND LET'S LIMIT THE DAMAGE TO THE NATION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.


Which probably isn't much.

It's actually 11-13M isn't it? Not "tens of millions". If you wish to be taken seriously you will have to behave seriously. So how about we start with a serious number.

And really now, **** the employers? You have no idea how your political/economic system works do you.

1. that 11 million number was shit when it was first pulled out of a lib's ass. Now it is old out of date shit. 30 million is much more likely.


2. Yes, **** the employers. Save your intellectual pretense for someone who might be impressed.

1. Don't label the number in some partisanshithead way, cite the number you want to agree upon for the purposes of this conversation. Or just say that you're not interested in one. To have one, we would have to agree upon who's data/number/when. Not just fling off "oh that's some conservative asshole's fart" as if that means anything. So up to you, but we'd need to establish that much to really get into this just a bit deeper than the usual poo fling.

2. What I mean is, good luck. YOur political system is set up to answer to the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class. They have always been exempted because they were the ones who wanted "illegals" here in the first place. They lobbied and think tank drafted legislation all along to make it all happen. And they fund your electoral process. Its all very incestuous. That's all I meant by the reference back to your "**** the employers". We won't. It just won't happen. Watch.

1. The 11 million number was based on census numbers, that illegals are not going to answer, or at least not honestly answer. AND that number is like 10 years old, so it would be out of date, even if it were not shit to start with. Which it was.

2. THe Rich didn't want TRump, and they did not get their way on that. We can do it, if we have the sense to not believe the shit the MSM feeds US.

 

[H B Lowrie]

Yes, the partisan team players fight hard for their team and it is destructive especially when they get off the substance and start lying and hyperbolizing everything. The Dems are brutal and play the race card, woman card, minority card etc way too much. The Right likes to jump right to Venezuela and socialism and open borders with everything. At some point we all need to grow the hell up and debate issues honestly.

We have tens of millions of illegals living in this country.


If we do not have an "open border" it is close enough that quibbling over semantics is not what we should be wasting time on.


BUILD THE WALL, DEPORT THE ILLEGALS, **** THE EMPLOYERS, AND LET'S LIMIT THE DAMAGE TO THE NATION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.


Which probably isn't much.

It's actually 11-13M isn't it? Not "tens of millions". If you wish to be taken seriously you will have to behave seriously. So how about we start with a serious number.

And really now, **** the employers? You have no idea how your political/economic system works do you.

1. that 11 million number was shit when it was first pulled out of a lib's ass. Now it is old out of date shit. 30 million is much more likely.


2. Yes, **** the employers. Save your intellectual pretense for someone who might be impressed.

1. Don't label the number in some partisanshithead way, cite the number you want to agree upon for the purposes of this conversation. Or just say that you're not interested in one. To have one, we would have to agree upon who's data/number/when. Not just fling off "oh that's some conservative asshole's fart" as if that means anything. So up to you, but we'd need to establish that much to really get into this just a bit deeper than the usual poo fling.

2. What I mean is, good luck. YOur political system is set up to answer to the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class. They have always been exempted because they were the ones who wanted "illegals" here in the first place. They lobbied and think tank drafted legislation all along to make it all happen. And they fund your electoral process. Its all very incestuous. That's all I meant by the reference back to your "**** the employers". We won't. It just won't happen. Watch.

1. The 11 million number was based on census numbers, that illegals are not going to answer, or at least not honestly answer. AND that number is like 10 years old, so it would be out of date, even if it were not shit to start with. Which it was.

2. THe Rich didn't want TRump, and they did not get their way on that. We can do it, if we have the sense to not believe the shit the MSM feeds US.

No, look. I'm asking for you to show me where you get your number. If we agree on what we're going to call that number for the purposes of our conversation, then we can have the same conversation. I might agree with your number. Right now, I don't know what your number is. I don't know where you're getting it, and 'tens of thousands' doesn't really nail it down. And this is going to be important if one of us wants to argue that something is up or down. So ...

1. What number are you suggesting we use and where did you get it, we both need to read the study and data to agree on the number we'll use

2. I don't think you understand what happened to your media either, but let's deal with this first, our number, what shall it be?