Carl in Michigan
Diamond Member
- Aug 15, 2016
- 58,397
- 43,449
- 3,615
Here is probably the best map with data you'll ever find. Hard to read on my phone though. According to this, my county now has 3 known cases
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
dude, you're just lost and wandering around.We stick with the plan of isolation which has worked for centuries in fighting epidemics and has worked in China and South Korea and seems to be working in Italy. The current situation is not likely to last more than month or two. When the number of new cases start falling, the governors will start loosening the restrictions in their state, the market will start recovering and the economy will recover.And 46,000 die of heart disease every day each, 27,000 from cancer, and 600 to 1200 from Flu when averaged over a 5 year period. There relevance to fight to stop covid 19 is exactly Zero for two reasons.4000 a month are dying from the flu and 900 a month with corona. Again friend, your lack of logic, cause you left it at the door, isn't with you on this one. 4000 is greater than 900. Now, feel free to challenge that.So, comparing the numbers in a snapshot of the flu and covid-19 is obviously painfully stupid. There is a reason the global scientific community is taking this more seriously than the flu. If anyone hear is scratching their heads wondering why that is (scroll up for a demonstration), or wondering why a bunch of uneducated slobs can't just intuitively figure this out for themselves (same, scroll up), I suggest you do what rational, functioning adults do and go read up.
First, deaths from Flu, cancer, and heart disease may vary from year to year but averaged over a 10 year period, death rates are pretty stable. The deaths from Covid 19 is doubling approximately every 6 days. At that rate, the 21,000 current deaths would increase in just 90 days to surpass that of the Flu, heart disease, and cancer.
Secondly, compared to the Flu or other diseases I mention, we know practically nothing about Covid 19. We don't know if people will recover with long term immunity, or whether they will have serious complications. We don't know if or when a vaccine or effective antivirals will become available. Finally, just about everything we think we know about transmission has not verified.
Ignoring the rapid increase in the number of cases and deaths and believing the cornavirus is not worth fighting simply because the death rate has not reached that of other diseases is downright stupid.
So we default to what we are now which is not sustainable.
There are other options besides this and ignorning it.
However, if we throw the towel in and abandon the current restrictions, the cases will increase at a faster rate, hospitals will be overloaded, and any economic recovery will be short lived. In short, we finish what we have started.
how many days did the middle ground part go for? here, was three days. there is no possible statistical way anyone could conclude jack with that little time. So spare me the hysteria reactions.In Washington we did try the middle ground asking people to work from home if they could, avoid large crowds, ect. The result was little changed, people attended large events, most everybody went to work, parks, playgrounds, restaurants and theaters. There was little difference in crowded areas and the daily number of new cases kept increasing. The governor then order all businesses closed except those listed as essential, all schools and colleges closed, all bars and restaurants closed except for delivery and take out, all events and meetings over 100 people, sporting events and concerts shutdown, church services cancelled and funerals postponed. People were told to stay at home except for a list of essential activities. After about 10 days the rate new cases started to drop. It's still a long way from no new cases but it's a start.Sure provided everyone maintained a distance of 6 foot separation, avoided coming to work or church if they were ill or exposed to the virus. However, you and I know that is not going to happen because that is not how we work nor how worship. Even if 99 out of a hundred follow the rules, it only takes one person to spread the virus to many people. One person in South Korea, identified as patient 31 transmitted the virus to over 1,100 people as she went about her life.We stick with the plan of isolation which has worked for centuries in fighting epidemics and has worked in China and South Korea and seems to be working in Italy. The current situation is not likely to last more than month or two. When the number of new cases start falling, the governors will start loosening the restrictions in their state, the market will start recovering and the economy will recover.And 46,000 die of heart disease every day each, 27,000 from cancer, and 600 to 1200 from Flu when averaged over a 5 year period. There relevance to fight to stop covid 19 is exactly Zero for two reasons.4000 a month are dying from the flu and 900 a month with corona. Again friend, your lack of logic, cause you left it at the door, isn't with you on this one. 4000 is greater than 900. Now, feel free to challenge that.So, comparing the numbers in a snapshot of the flu and covid-19 is obviously painfully stupid. There is a reason the global scientific community is taking this more seriously than the flu. If anyone hear is scratching their heads wondering why that is (scroll up for a demonstration), or wondering why a bunch of uneducated slobs can't just intuitively figure this out for themselves (same, scroll up), I suggest you do what rational, functioning adults do and go read up.
First, deaths from Flu, cancer, and heart disease may vary from year to year but averaged over a 10 year period, death rates are pretty stable. The deaths from Covid 19 is doubling approximately every 6 days. At that rate, the 21,000 current deaths would increase in just 90 days to surpass that of the Flu, heart disease, and cancer.
Secondly, compared to the Flu or other diseases I mention, we know practically nothing about Covid 19. We don't know if people will recover with long term immunity, or whether they will have serious complications. We don't know if or when a vaccine or effective antivirals will become available. Finally, just about everything we think we know about transmission has not verified.
Ignoring the rapid increase in the number of cases and deaths and believing the cornavirus is not worth fighting simply because the death rate has not reached that of other diseases is downright stupid.
So we default to what we are now which is not sustainable.
There are other options besides this and ignorning it.
However, if we throw the towel in and abandon the current restrictions, the cases will increase at a faster rate, hospitals will be overloaded, and any economic recovery will be short lived. In short, we finish what we have started.
Stop with the abandon and throw in the towel horseshit.
I am going to ask you because other left wingers won't answer. Do you believe someone can hold a church service, take precautions (a whole list of them) and still prevent the spread of the disease ?
Can I go to my office (take all kinds of precautions) and still prevent the spread of the diesease ?
It is a simple question.
You and I don't know anything. If the protocols are in place, then it should be doable.
There is no "isolation or nothing". There is plenty of inbetween.
If others are protected, how will someone spread it to them ?
Case 31 wasn't aware of her situation.
I unwilling to admit we can't do this.
And BTW: We still have people going to WalMart...picking up fast food, and doing other things that could still get them sick.
Asking people to practice good hygiene, avoid crowds, and take precautions does not work in large cities.
Country, Other | Total Cases | New Cases | Total Deaths | New Deaths | Total Recovered | Active Cases | Serious, Critical | Tot Cases/ 1M pop | Tot Deaths/ 1M pop |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
China | 81,285 | +67 | 3,287 | +6 | 74,051 | 3,947 | 1,235 | 56 | 2 |
USA | 74,982 | +6,771 | 1,078 | +51 | 1,850 | 72,054 | 1,857 | 227 | 3 |
Italy | 74,386 | 7,503 | 9,362 | 57,521 | 3,489 | 1,230 | 124 | ||
Spain | 56,197 | +6,682 | 4,145 | +498 | 7,015 | 45,037 | 3,166 | 1,202 | 89 |
Germany | 43,646 | +6,323 | 239 | +33 | 5,673 | 37,734 | 23 | 521 | 3 |
Iran | 29,406 | +2,389 | 2,234 | +157 | 10,457 | 16,715 | 2,746 | 350 | 27 |
France | 25,233 | 1,331 | 3,900 | 20,002 | 2,827 | 387 | 20 | ||
Switzerland | 11,712 | +815 | 191 | +38 | 131 | 11,390 | 141 | 1,353 | 22 |
UK | 9,849 | +320 | 477 | +12 | 135 | 9,237 | 163 | 145 | 7 |
S. Korea | 9,241 | +104 | 131 | +5 | 4,144 | 4,966 | 59 | 180 | 3 |
Netherlands | 7,431 | +1,019 | 434 | +78 | 3 | 6,994 | 582 | 434 | 25 |
Austria | 6,398 | +810 | 49 | +18 | 112 | 6,237 | 28 | 710 | 5 |
Belgium | 6,235 | +1,298 | 220 | +42 | 675 | 5,340 | 605 | 538 | 19 |
Canada | 3,579 | +170 | 36 | 185 | 3,358 | 35 | 95 | 1.0 |
The president should offer encouragement that things will get back to normal but he should not be implying that will happen by a certain date. Restrictions should be based on new cases, not the stock market or unemployment. The restrictions were ordered by the governors of each state based on their assessment of the health risks to the residents. It will be the governors who decide when to lift restrictions, hopefully made based on new cases in their state and not political pressure from the president who is most concerned about the up coming election.Surgeon General discerns Trumps statements quite well.
Said he's trying to help people understand this won't last forever.
Ambiguity is the reason people will start shooting each other.
The left wing fear mongering is truly unAmerican and deserves to be punished.
I would guess they are referring to the very high rate of suicides among transgenders.More leftist propaganda...
As Hospitals Prepare for COVID-19, Life-Saving Trans Surgeries Are Delayed
Could someone explain how SRS is lifesaving and more urgent than saving lives of infected with corona virus?
Most other respiratory disease such as the flu and pneumonia that are spread through airborne droplets from coughs and sneezes are seasonal. At this point it seems highly likely that Covid 19 will follow a similar pattern. However with no vaccine that could be manufactured to cover billions of people and no antivirals, the most likely scenario is waves of infections followed by periods of normalcy which could easy last for several years. But this depends on how effective social distancing is and how well we relieve shortages in our medical system. If this does not happen, then we will see only dips in the number of cases between waves of infections.I've been listening to Dr. Fauci and not Trump on this. To those taking COVID-19 lightly, this should convince you that even young people could get it a second time. One would need more time to combat this and getting it second time quickly would mean an underlying condition.
"Washington (AFP) - There is a strong chance the new coronavirus could return in seasonal cycles, a senior US scientist said Wednesday, underscoring the urgent need to find a vaccine and effective treatments.
Anthony Fauci, who leads research into infectious diseases at the National Institutes of Health, told a briefing the virus was beginning to take root in the southern hemisphere, where winter is on its way.
"What we're starting to see now... in southern Africa and in the southern hemisphere countries, is that we're having cases that are appearing as they go into their winter season," he said."
Be prepared for the worse.
dude, how bad can you be to get it twice in less than two months? hly fk.I've been listening to Dr. Fauci and not Trump on this. To those taking COVID-19 lightly, this should convince you that even young people could get it a second time. One would need more time to combat this and getting it second time quickly would mean an underlying condition.
"Washington (AFP) - There is a strong chance the new coronavirus could return in seasonal cycles, a senior US scientist said Wednesday, underscoring the urgent need to find a vaccine and effective treatments.
Anthony Fauci, who leads research into infectious diseases at the National Institutes of Health, told a briefing the virus was beginning to take root in the southern hemisphere, where winter is on its way.
"What we're starting to see now... in southern Africa and in the southern hemisphere countries, is that we're having cases that are appearing as they go into their winter season," he said."
Be prepared for the worse.
The government should be offering free surgical masks to the general public
damn the cost as the human cost may be to high
What I'm wondering about is what is the average daily rate of dying in those countries? Not to be cruel, old people die every day.View attachment 315658
but this changes with more testing
Country, Other | Total Cases | New Cases | Total Deaths | New Deaths | Total Recovered | Active Cases | Serious, Critical | Tot Cases/ 1M pop | Tot Deaths/ 1M pop |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
USA | 81,996 | +13,785 | 1,177 | +150 | 1,864 | 78,955 | 2,112 | 248 | 4 |
China | 81,285 | +67 | 3,287 | +6 | 74,051 | 3,947 | 1,235 | 56 | 2 |
Italy | 80,589 | +6,203 | 8,215 | +712 | 10,361 | 62,013 | 3,612 | 1,333 | 136 |
Spain | 56,347 | +6,832 | 4,154 | +507 | 7,015 | 45,178 | 3,166 | 1,205 | 89 |
Germany | 43,646 | +6,323 | 262 | +56 | 5,673 | 37,711 | 23 | 521 | 3 |
Iran | 29,406 | +2,389 | 2,234 | +157 | 10,457 | 16,715 | 2,746 | 350 | 27 |
France | 29,155 | +3,922 | 1,696 | +365 | 4,948 | 22,511 | 3,375 | 447 | 26 |
Switzerland | 11,811 | +914 | 191 | +38 | 131 | 11,489 | 141 | 1,365 | 22 |
UK | 11,658 | +2,129 | 578 | +115 | 135 | 10,945 | 163 | 172 | 9 |
And our death rate is FAR LOWER!And now the bad news.
We are now number one in the world for recorded Coronavirus infections, having now passed both Italy and China. We were already first in active cases.
Country,
OtherTotal
CasesNew
CasesTotal
DeathsNew
DeathsTotal
RecoveredActive
CasesSerious,
CriticalTot Cases/
1M popTot Deaths/
1M popUSA 81,996 +13,785 1,177 +150 1,864 78,955 2,112 248 4 China 81,285 +67 3,287 +6 74,051 3,947 1,235 56 2 Italy 80,589 +6,203 8,215 +712 10,361 62,013 3,612 1,333 136 Spain 56,347 +6,832 4,154 +507 7,015 45,178 3,166 1,205 89 Germany 43,646 +6,323 262 +56 5,673 37,711 23 521 3 Iran 29,406 +2,389 2,234 +157 10,457 16,715 2,746 350 27 France 29,155 +3,922 1,696 +365 4,948 22,511 3,375 447 26 Switzerland 11,811 +914 191 +38 131 11,489 141 1,365 22 UK 11,658 +2,129 578 +115 135 10,945 163 172 9