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So, comparing the numbers in a snapshot of the flu and covid-19 is obviously painfully stupid. There is a reason the global scientific community is taking this more seriously than the flu. If anyone hear is scratching their heads wondering why that is (scroll up for a demonstration), or wondering why a bunch of uneducated slobs can't just intuitively figure this out for themselves (same, scroll up), I suggest you do what rational, functioning adults do and go read up.
4000 a month are dying from the flu and 900 a month with corona. Again friend, your lack of logic, cause you left it at the door, isn't with you on this one. 4000 is greater than 900. Now, feel free to challenge that.
And 46,000 die of heart disease every day each, 27,000 from cancer, and 600 to 1200 from Flu when averaged over a 5 year period. There relevance to fight to stop covid 19 is exactly Zero for two reasons.

First, deaths from Flu, cancer, and heart disease may vary from year to year but averaged over a 10 year period, death rates are pretty stable. The deaths from Covid 19 is doubling approximately every 6 days. At that rate, the 21,000 current deaths would increase in just 90 days to surpass that of the Flu, heart disease, and cancer.

Secondly, compared to the Flu or other diseases I mention, we know practically nothing about Covid 19. We don't know if people will recover with long term immunity, or whether they will have serious complications. We don't know if or when a vaccine or effective antivirals will become available. Finally, just about everything we think we know about transmission has not verified.

Ignoring the rapid increase in the number of cases and deaths and believing the cornavirus is not worth fighting simply because the death rate has not reached that of other diseases is downright stupid.

So we default to what we are now which is not sustainable.

There are other options besides this and ignorning it.
We stick with the plan of isolation which has worked for centuries in fighting epidemics and has worked in China and South Korea and seems to be working in Italy. The current situation is not likely to last more than month or two. When the number of new cases start falling, the governors will start loosening the restrictions in their state, the market will start recovering and the economy will recover.

However, if we throw the towel in and abandon the current restrictions, the cases will increase at a faster rate, hospitals will be overloaded, and any economic recovery will be short lived. In short, we finish what we have started.
dude, you're just lost and wandering around.
 
So, comparing the numbers in a snapshot of the flu and covid-19 is obviously painfully stupid. There is a reason the global scientific community is taking this more seriously than the flu. If anyone hear is scratching their heads wondering why that is (scroll up for a demonstration), or wondering why a bunch of uneducated slobs can't just intuitively figure this out for themselves (same, scroll up), I suggest you do what rational, functioning adults do and go read up.
4000 a month are dying from the flu and 900 a month with corona. Again friend, your lack of logic, cause you left it at the door, isn't with you on this one. 4000 is greater than 900. Now, feel free to challenge that.
And 46,000 die of heart disease every day each, 27,000 from cancer, and 600 to 1200 from Flu when averaged over a 5 year period. There relevance to fight to stop covid 19 is exactly Zero for two reasons.

First, deaths from Flu, cancer, and heart disease may vary from year to year but averaged over a 10 year period, death rates are pretty stable. The deaths from Covid 19 is doubling approximately every 6 days. At that rate, the 21,000 current deaths would increase in just 90 days to surpass that of the Flu, heart disease, and cancer.

Secondly, compared to the Flu or other diseases I mention, we know practically nothing about Covid 19. We don't know if people will recover with long term immunity, or whether they will have serious complications. We don't know if or when a vaccine or effective antivirals will become available. Finally, just about everything we think we know about transmission has not verified.

Ignoring the rapid increase in the number of cases and deaths and believing the cornavirus is not worth fighting simply because the death rate has not reached that of other diseases is downright stupid.

So we default to what we are now which is not sustainable.

There are other options besides this and ignorning it.
We stick with the plan of isolation which has worked for centuries in fighting epidemics and has worked in China and South Korea and seems to be working in Italy. The current situation is not likely to last more than month or two. When the number of new cases start falling, the governors will start loosening the restrictions in their state, the market will start recovering and the economy will recover.

However, if we throw the towel in and abandon the current restrictions, the cases will increase at a faster rate, hospitals will be overloaded, and any economic recovery will be short lived. In short, we finish what we have started.

Stop with the abandon and throw in the towel horseshit.

I am going to ask you because other left wingers won't answer. Do you believe someone can hold a church service, take precautions (a whole list of them) and still prevent the spread of the disease ?

Can I go to my office (take all kinds of precautions) and still prevent the spread of the diesease ?

It is a simple question.
Sure provided everyone maintained a distance of 6 foot separation, avoided coming to work or church if they were ill or exposed to the virus. However, you and I know that is not going to happen because that is not how we work nor how worship. Even if 99 out of a hundred follow the rules, it only takes one person to spread the virus to many people. One person in South Korea, identified as patient 31 transmitted the virus to over 1,100 people as she went about her life.

You and I don't know anything. If the protocols are in place, then it should be doable.

There is no "isolation or nothing". There is plenty of inbetween.

If others are protected, how will someone spread it to them ?

Case 31 wasn't aware of her situation.

I unwilling to admit we can't do this.

And BTW: We still have people going to WalMart...picking up fast food, and doing other things that could still get them sick.
In Washington we did try the middle ground asking people to work from home if they could, avoid large crowds, ect. The result was little changed, people attended large events, most everybody went to work, parks, playgrounds, restaurants and theaters. There was little difference in crowded areas and the daily number of new cases kept increasing. The governor then order all businesses closed except those listed as essential, all schools and colleges closed, all bars and restaurants closed except for delivery and take out, all events and meetings over 100 people, sporting events and concerts shutdown, church services cancelled and funerals postponed. People were told to stay at home except for a list of essential activities. After about 10 days the rate new cases started to drop. It's still a long way from no new cases but it's a start.

Asking people to practice good hygiene, avoid crowds, and take precautions does not work in large cities.
how many days did the middle ground part go for? here, was three days. there is no possible statistical way anyone could conclude jack with that little time. So spare me the hysteria reactions.
 
WHEN THIS IS ALL OVER, ITS TIME THE WORLD RID ITSELF OF CHEAP LABOR FROM CHINA...CHINA HAS PUT MORE SUFFERING ON PPL ALL OVER THE WORLD WITH PANDEMIC EVENTS THAT SPREAD NOTHING BUT MISERY TO THE REST OF US ALMOST ON A YEAR BY YEAR BASIS.....ITS TIME TO LET THE CHINESE GO!!
 
WATCH THIS NOW -- some good news among the bad.

I'll get flamed/ignored/banned for saying this but check out columns 4 and 6 on the latest chart.

Country,
Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Tot Deaths/
1M pop
China81,285+673,287+674,0513,9471,235562
USA74,982+6,7711,078+511,85072,0541,8572273
Italy74,3867,5039,36257,5213,4891,230124
Spain56,197+6,6824,145+4987,01545,0373,1661,20289
Germany43,646+6,323239+335,67337,734235213
Iran29,406+2,3892,234+15710,45716,7152,74635027
France25,2331,3313,90020,0022,82738720
Switzerland11,712+815191+3813111,3901411,35322
UK9,849+320477+121359,2371631457
S. Korea9,241+104131+54,1444,966591803
Netherlands7,431+1,019434+7836,99458243425
Austria6,398+81049+181126,237287105
Belgium6,235+1,298220+426755,34060553819
Canada3,579+170361853,35835951.0

We have now SURPASSED the number of deaths with the number of recoveries, more in line with those countries that have dealt with Coronavirus longer than we have. I kept telling y'all that given TIME this would turn around. To do the banned math, instead of the notorious 63% of resolved cases ending in death, that proportion is now recovered. All you O'Briens of the site sitting here insisting that two plus two equals five, MATH THIS. :fu:

Mind you, we're still spreading at an alarming rate and with asymptomatic carriers walking around that's not likely to abate until far more testing gets done so we can identify them. And that proportion will change as numbers mount up, but let's at least hope this stays the rule rather than the exception. We WILL get out of this.

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Who's that klown who keeps trolling in here insisting I'm "celebrating"? Ame®icano or some shit? Here ya go pal, see what celebrating actually looks like.
 
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I've been listening to Dr. Fauci and not Trump on this. To those taking COVID-19 lightly, this should convince you that even young people could get it a second time. One would need more time to combat this and getting it second time quickly would mean an underlying condition.

"Washington (AFP) - There is a strong chance the new coronavirus could return in seasonal cycles, a senior US scientist said Wednesday, underscoring the urgent need to find a vaccine and effective treatments.

Anthony Fauci, who leads research into infectious diseases at the National Institutes of Health, told a briefing the virus was beginning to take root in the southern hemisphere, where winter is on its way.

"What we're starting to see now... in southern Africa and in the southern hemisphere countries, is that we're having cases that are appearing as they go into their winter season," he said."


Be prepared for the worse.
 
Surgeon General discerns Trumps statements quite well.

Said he's trying to help people understand this won't last forever.

Ambiguity is the reason people will start shooting each other.

The left wing fear mongering is truly unAmerican and deserves to be punished.
The president should offer encouragement that things will get back to normal but he should not be implying that will happen by a certain date. Restrictions should be based on new cases, not the stock market or unemployment. The restrictions were ordered by the governors of each state based on their assessment of the health risks to the residents. It will be the governors who decide when to lift restrictions, hopefully made based on new cases in their state and not political pressure from the president who is most concerned about the up coming election.
 

Statistics. In this case, forecasting, like the weather forecast.

The naysayers will go with Mark Twain. There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
 
'LUZERNE COUNTY (KDKA) — A Pennsylvania supermarket says they were forced to destroy more than $35,000 in food after a woman’s coronavirus prank involved intentionally coughing all over it.

On Wednesday, Gerrity’s Supermarket in Luzerne County, says the woman intentionally coughed on the fresh produce, a small section of the bakery and meat case.

The supermarket’s co-owner said he believes this was an attempt at a “very twisted prank.”'


Worst I've read. This woman should be charged as a TERRORIST!
 
I've been listening to Dr. Fauci and not Trump on this. To those taking COVID-19 lightly, this should convince you that even young people could get it a second time. One would need more time to combat this and getting it second time quickly would mean an underlying condition.

"Washington (AFP) - There is a strong chance the new coronavirus could return in seasonal cycles, a senior US scientist said Wednesday, underscoring the urgent need to find a vaccine and effective treatments.

Anthony Fauci, who leads research into infectious diseases at the National Institutes of Health, told a briefing the virus was beginning to take root in the southern hemisphere, where winter is on its way.

"What we're starting to see now... in southern Africa and in the southern hemisphere countries, is that we're having cases that are appearing as they go into their winter season," he said."


Be prepared for the worse.
Most other respiratory disease such as the flu and pneumonia that are spread through airborne droplets from coughs and sneezes are seasonal. At this point it seems highly likely that Covid 19 will follow a similar pattern. However with no vaccine that could be manufactured to cover billions of people and no antivirals, the most likely scenario is waves of infections followed by periods of normalcy which could easy last for several years. But this depends on how effective social distancing is and how well we relieve shortages in our medical system. If this does not happen, then we will see only dips in the number of cases between waves of infections.
 
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I've been listening to Dr. Fauci and not Trump on this. To those taking COVID-19 lightly, this should convince you that even young people could get it a second time. One would need more time to combat this and getting it second time quickly would mean an underlying condition.

"Washington (AFP) - There is a strong chance the new coronavirus could return in seasonal cycles, a senior US scientist said Wednesday, underscoring the urgent need to find a vaccine and effective treatments.

Anthony Fauci, who leads research into infectious diseases at the National Institutes of Health, told a briefing the virus was beginning to take root in the southern hemisphere, where winter is on its way.

"What we're starting to see now... in southern Africa and in the southern hemisphere countries, is that we're having cases that are appearing as they go into their winter season," he said."


Be prepared for the worse.
dude, how bad can you be to get it twice in less than two months? hly fk.
 
The government should be offering free surgical masks to the general public

damn the cost as the human cost may be to high


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What are the overall daily death statistics for the U.S., Italy, Spain, the UK, South Korea, Japan, etc.? I'm not asking about China because the CCP lies.
 
And now the bad news.
We are now number one in the world for recorded Coronavirus infections, having now passed both Italy and China. We were already first in active cases.

Country,
Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Tot Deaths/
1M pop
USA81,996+13,7851,177+1501,86478,9552,1122484
China81,285+673,287+674,0513,9471,235562
Italy80,589+6,2038,215+71210,36162,0133,6121,333136
Spain56,347+6,8324,154+5077,01545,1783,1661,20589
Germany43,646+6,323262+565,67337,711235213
Iran29,406+2,3892,234+15710,45716,7152,74635027
France29,155+3,9221,696+3654,94822,5113,37544726
Switzerland11,811+914191+3813111,4891411,36522
UK11,658+2,129578+11513510,9451631729
 
And now the bad news.
We are now number one in the world for recorded Coronavirus infections, having now passed both Italy and China. We were already first in active cases.

Country,
Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Tot Deaths/
1M pop
USA81,996+13,7851,177+1501,86478,9552,1122484
China81,285+673,287+674,0513,9471,235562
Italy80,589+6,2038,215+71210,36162,0133,6121,333136
Spain56,347+6,8324,154+5077,01545,1783,1661,20589
Germany43,646+6,323262+565,67337,711235213
Iran29,406+2,3892,234+15710,45716,7152,74635027
France29,155+3,9221,696+3654,94822,5113,37544726
Switzerland11,811+914191+3813111,4891411,36522
UK11,658+2,129578+11513510,9451631729
And our death rate is FAR LOWER!
 
The number of new cases has been hard to watch.

Luckily the deaths aren't too bad, yet. This looks like it could get way worse.
 

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