Ocean acidifying at unprecedented rate

[mamooth]

If your blood pH drops from the normal 7.4 down to 7.3, unpleasant things will be happening to you. But no biggie. After all, it's just 0.1 pH unit. Obviously, the oceans and everything in them can cope better than people do. Just because.

Oh, that's called "acidosis", even though the blood pH is still above 7.

 

[flacaltenn]

As stated in your article, that acidity is NATURAL - likely a result of Palau's unusual freshwater holdings leaching out - my point being that those corals developed and grew in that acidic water for hundreds of thousands of years or likely millions of years. Their conditions did not change at the rapid pace currently taking place from human CO2 emissions.

Ahhhh, good point.. Except that this discovery WAS NEWS to these top ocean biologists...
Had no FREAKING idea of the pH range at the Palau coast. So you and I still DON'T KNOW what annual/seasonal/daily RANGE or RATE that specie is exposed to.. All this attention on OA is just revealing how much we DON'T KNOW.. So you guys are just jonesin' on speculations.

 

[flacaltenn]

If your blood pH drops from the normal 7.4 down to 7.3, unpleasant things will be happening to you. But no biggie. After all, it's just 0.1 pH unit. Obviously, the oceans and everything in them can cope better than people do. Just because.

Oh, that's called "acidosis", even though the blood pH is still above 7.

Thanks for the news flash Doc. That explains why when I took my surfboard out of the breakers (at pH 8.1) and took that freshwater (at pH 7.0) shower up at the ramp -- I could feel my blood chemistry instantly changing... Should have brought the Dial soap to compensate...

 

[mamooth]

Instead of what, instead of you addressing the physical impossibility of CO2 acidifying a 1 *10^21 volume of water

I'll address it by pointing out you look crazy for making such a claim, given that we've directly measured that thing you claim is impossible.

Oh, the actual numbers? Good question. You can't just use the disassociation constant for carbonic acid, due to the multi-layered buffering system involved. And because the surface waters saturate first, and then the CO2 is slowly transported down.

 

[Abraham3]

As stated in your article, that acidity is NATURAL - likely a result of Palau's unusual freshwater holdings leaching out - my point being that those corals developed and grew in that acidic water for hundreds of thousands of years or likely millions of years. Their conditions did not change at the rapid pace currently taking place from human CO2 emissions.

Ahhhh, good point.. Except that this discovery WAS NEWS to these top ocean biologists...
Had no FREAKING idea of the pH range at the Palau coast. So you and I still DON'T KNOW what annual/seasonal/daily RANGE or RATE that specie is exposed to.. All this attention on OA is just revealing how much we DON'T KNOW.. So you guys are just jonesin' on speculations.

You think that list of peer reviewed publications are "speculations"? You're projecting the sort of sources you usually use.

 

[Darkwind]

I will definitely look into this if it does not get better by 2075.

yep. I'll be all over this in another 50 or 60 years...

 

[whitehall]

They can't play the weather card because it's so freaking cold so they try the hole card. If the PH don't work and democrats are defeated in the mid term it's curtains for the extortion movement.

 

[Abraham3]

You think this will be over in an election cycle or two?

 

[westwall]

You're the one who has repeatedly demonstrated your intellectual lacking.

Find for us an occasion in the last 5 million years when conditions would have caused the rate of increase that humans have produced with CO2 in the last 150 years?

HTM 8,000 years ago temps were 5 degrees C warmer. Now go away. You're a damned broken record, either come up with something new or go away. You're boring.

 

[westwall]

You think this will be over in an election cycle or two?

Yes, the "theory" of CAGW will be dead and buried, save for a few loons, within the next eight years.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If your blood pH drops from the normal 7.4 down to 7.3, unpleasant things will be happening to you. But no biggie. After all, it's just 0.1 pH unit. Obviously, the oceans and everything in them can cope better than people do. Just because.

Oh, that's called "acidosis", even though the blood pH is still above 7.

How much CO2 do you have to add to a volume of water 1*10^21KG to drop the pH by .1?

 

[flacaltenn]

As stated in your article, that acidity is NATURAL - likely a result of Palau's unusual freshwater holdings leaching out - my point being that those corals developed and grew in that acidic water for hundreds of thousands of years or likely millions of years. Their conditions did not change at the rapid pace currently taking place from human CO2 emissions.

Ahhhh, good point.. Except that this discovery WAS NEWS to these top ocean biologists...
Had no FREAKING idea of the pH range at the Palau coast. So you and I still DON'T KNOW what annual/seasonal/daily RANGE or RATE that specie is exposed to.. All this attention on OA is just revealing how much we DON'T KNOW.. So you guys are just jonesin' on speculations.

You think that list of peer reviewed publications are "speculations"? You're projecting the sort of sources you usually use.

Last time we did this topic, you cut and pasted 20 studies on bio impact and we did 4 of them and you failed to PROVIDE ONE that was conclusive evidence of specie damage due to OA.. Aint doin that again.. Provide ONE at a time...

 

[Old Rocks]

You're the one who has repeatedly demonstrated your intellectual lacking.

Find for us an occasion in the last 5 million years when conditions would have caused the rate of increase that humans have produced with CO2 in the last 150 years?

HTM 8,000 years ago temps were 5 degrees C warmer. Now go away. You're a damned broken record, either come up with something new or go away. You're boring.

Link?

 

[Old Rocks]

You think this will be over in an election cycle or two?

Yes, the "theory" of CAGW will be dead and buried, save for a few loons, within the next eight years.

Well, if you are not croaked by that time, I will remind you what a fool you were and are.

 

[westwall]

You think this will be over in an election cycle or two?

Yes, the "theory" of CAGW will be dead and buried, save for a few loons, within the next eight years.

Well, if you are not croaked by that time, I will remind you what a fool you were and are.

How nice of you. I notice you never responded to the post where you claimed to make 2.17 an hour in your first job. Yet ANOTHER lie I have caught you in eh olfraud?

Here's a few for you. I'll use your swamp them with data method. Knock yourself out...


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PARCS Syntheses

 

[polarbear]

The situation is already irretrievable.

Not this ignorant crap again.. We've had this discussion.. Let's test your memory..
Current change of pH is roughly from 8.2 (pre-industrial) to 8.1 today.. That does yield (in a very dishonest way) a 30% more acidic number.. HOWEVER -- lets' compare pre-industrial 8.2 to the pH of PURE FRESH GLACIAL WATER at 7.0..

8.2 - 7.0 = 1.2 and (10^1.2) - 1 = (about) 1400% So PURE glacial melt water is 1400% MORE ACIDIC than preindustrial seawater..

NOBODY in science linearizes that LOG relationship unless they are trying to lie about something.. Go wring your hands and cry with GoldiRocks somewhere not so public..

And you would be the one lying here. Life in the ocean has evolved for hundreds of millions of years in an environment with a very narrow and very stable pH. Variations as small 0.1 will have a significant and negative consequence.

Put any of the world's marine species in a tank full of your pure, glacial 7.0 meltwater and what will happen to them? They will die, immediately.

Acidity and causticity, in this context, are simply directions. A pH value of 12 is more acidic than 13; 3 is more caustic than 2.

Someone linearizes pH values in an attempt to show the public that small changes in log values can be significant - particularly in the face of denier propaganda saying it isn't. Hydrogen ion concentrations are presented as log values for convenience's sake and the response function of electrodes used to measure it, not because the scale is more descriptive of it's various affects.

"Hey Bill, what's the pH in your aquarium"?
"Well Sue, the last time I checked hydrogen ion activity was 0.00031622 but I really need to get it into the 0.000125892 to 0.000199526 range, wouldn't you think"?

So sayeth the "engineer" who also said in another post,that humid air isn`t lighter than dry air.
And now he invents new words, "causticity"...it`s alkalinity you bozo.
If you were an engineer in a field which requires chemistry as part of the curriculum then you should have known that.
Obviously you know s.f.a about chemistry:

Hydrogen ion concentrations are presented as log values for convenience's sake and the response function of electrodes used to measure it, not because the scale is more descriptive of it's various affects.

First of all the pH is not the log value of the [H+] ion concentration but the NEGATIVE log of [H+] gram ions per liter.
Secondly, it had been defined as such long before we had pH electrodes.

The concept of p[H] was first introduced by Danish chemist Søren Peder Lauritz Sørensen at the Carlsberg Laboratory in 1909

3.rd A pH meter measures the emf between a H+ ion specific probe, such as Pt in a KCl solution and a Ag or Hg reference probe.

"Hey Bill, what's the pH in your aquarium"?
"Well Sue, the last time I checked hydrogen ion activity was 0.00031622
but I really need to get it into the 0.000125892 to 0.000199526 range

Which just goes to show that you have no clue how to get the log of a number. So it`s not just Chemistry that you know absolutely nothing about, but your math isn`t above basic grade school level either.
How the f- did you come up with these numbers?

I really need to get it into the 0.000125892 to 0.000199526 range

That`s in the pH range of 3.7 to 3.9...that you say a swimming pool should be at !

 

[Abraham3]

Causticity | Define Causticity at Dictionary.com

caus·tic [kaw-stik] Show IPA
adjective
1.
capable of burning, corroding, or destroying living tissue.
2.
severely critical or sarcastic: a caustic remark.
noun
3.
a caustic substance.
4.
Optics.
a.
caustic curve.
b.
caustic surface.
Origin:
1350&#8211;1400; Middle English < Latin causticus < Greek kaustikós burning, caustic, equivalent to kaust ( ós ) burnt (verbal adjective of kaíein to burn) + -ikos -ic

Related forms
caus·ti·cal·ly, caus·tic·ly, adverb
caus·tic·i·ty [kaw-stis-i-tee] Show IPA , caus·tic·ness, noun
non·caus·tic, adjective
non·caus·ti·cal·ly, adverb
o·ver·caus·tic, adjective

I admit my mistakes. You? FCT? IanC? Westwall? SSDD? Skookerasshole? Any of you? Not so much, eh.

 

[elektra]

Causticity | Define Causticity at Dictionary.com

caus·tic [kaw-stik] Show IPA
adjective
1.
capable of burning, corroding, or destroying living tissue.
2.
severely critical or sarcastic: a caustic remark.
noun
3.
a caustic substance.
4.
Optics.
a.
caustic curve.
b.
caustic surface.
Origin:
1350–1400; Middle English < Latin causticus < Greek kaustikós burning, caustic, equivalent to kaust ( ós ) burnt (verbal adjective of kaíein to burn) + -ikos -ic

Related forms
caus·ti·cal·ly, caus·tic·ly, adverb
caus·tic·i·ty [kaw-stis-i-tee] Show IPA , caus·tic·ness, noun
non·caus·tic, adjective
non·caus·ti·cal·ly, adverb
o·ver·caus·tic, adjective

I admit my mistakes. You? FCT? IanC? Westwall? SSDD? Skookerasshole? Any of you? Not so much, eh.

Wow, you are up to the, "C" in the dictionary, which is after "B", you did say you looked up "Bigot", right.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Threads like this prove that AGW is a Cult.

 

[mamooth]

Within a couple years, we'll be rubbing it in their faces. You know, the way that the deniers here have been proven to be some of the biggest retards to ever inhabit planet earth, all because they were too weak-minded to resist the brainwashing of their political cult. The emotional reasons as to why they supported their cult so fervently, that's another topic.

No, we won't go easy on them. They weren't born stupid. They deliberately chose to make themselves stupid for the glory of their political cult, so they bear the responsibility for their stupidity.