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P F Tinmore
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Well, there are a couple more lies.
georgephillip
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And you are still living in a delusion where you attended Princeton and could therefore opine intelligently on why UNSCR 242 and GCIV don't apply to the Jewish State of Israel.
Right?
Right?
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Your opinion-article of New York Times is of no value.
The US media scape is highly comprimised by specific interest groups, this becomes visible especially in opinion columns which do not serve a purpose of fact-based information distribution.
Also this opinion dates back to the times where the world was forced to live with terminology like Axis of Evil.
The opinion tries to bundle several different factions, each with their own motives and background-stories into a very dislogical oness, those who have joy in sadism.
You really believe in this simple identity-reduction ?
This opinion does not tell us a lot about the conflicts that guy is talking about, but it tells us more about the Zeitgeist in USA of that time and NYTimes.
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georgephillip
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"At least 10 Palestinian children have been shot and wounded by Israeli troops in the past three months while collecting rubble in or near the "buffer zone" created by Israel along the Gaza border, in a low-intensity offensive on the fringes of the blockaded Palestinian territory.
"Israeli soldiers are routinely shooting at Gazans well beyond the unmarked boundary of the official 300 metre-wide no-go area, rights groups say.(Photograph: Guardian)]Mohammed Sobboh and his brother Adham. Israeli soldiers are routinely shooting at Gazans well beyond the unmarked boundary of the official 300 metre-wide no-go area, rights groups say.
"Israeli soldiers are routinely shooting at Gazans well beyond the unmarked boundary of the official 300 metre-wide no-go area, rights groups say.
According to Bassam Masri, head of orthopaedics at the Kamal Odwan hospital in Beit Lahiya in the north of Gaza, about 50 people have been treated for gunshot wounds suffered in or near the buffer zone while collecting rubble in the past three months; about five have been killed."
Nobody kills kids like heroic Jews.
Israeli Troops
"Israeli soldiers are routinely shooting at Gazans well beyond the unmarked boundary of the official 300 metre-wide no-go area, rights groups say.(Photograph: Guardian)]Mohammed Sobboh and his brother Adham. Israeli soldiers are routinely shooting at Gazans well beyond the unmarked boundary of the official 300 metre-wide no-go area, rights groups say.
"Israeli soldiers are routinely shooting at Gazans well beyond the unmarked boundary of the official 300 metre-wide no-go area, rights groups say.
According to Bassam Masri, head of orthopaedics at the Kamal Odwan hospital in Beit Lahiya in the north of Gaza, about 50 people have been treated for gunshot wounds suffered in or near the buffer zone while collecting rubble in the past three months; about five have been killed."
Nobody kills kids like heroic Jews.
Israeli Troops
docmauser1
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Funny how those "children" either "collect rubble" in hot zones, or play in traffic. Parental negligence? Don't think so. The answer is much simpler - jihad, martyrdom and death cult demand human sacrifices.
georgephillip
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"Since the Palestinian elections in 2006, Israel and much of the West have asserted that the principal obstacle to any progress toward Israeli-Palestinian peace is the refusal of Hamas to 'recognize Israel,' or to 'recognize Israel's existence,' or to 'recognize Israel's right to exist.'
"These three verbal formulations have been used by Israel, the United States, and the European Union as a rationale for collective punishment of the Palestinian people.
"The phrases are also used by the media, politicians, and even diplomats interchangeably, as though they mean the same thing. They do not.
"'Recognizing Israel' or any other state is a formal legal and diplomatic act by one state with respect to another state.
"It is inappropriate – indeed, nonsensical – to talk about a political party or movement extending diplomatic recognition to a state.
"To talk of Hamas 'recognizing Israel' is simply to use sloppy, confusing, and deceptive shorthand for the real demand being made of the Palestinians.
"'Recognizing Israel's existence' appears on first impression to involve a relatively straightforward acknowledgment of a fact of life.
"Yet there are serious practical problems with this language. What Israel, within what borders, is involved?
"Is it the 55 percent of historical Palestine recommended for a Jewish state by the UN General Assembly in 1947?
"The 78 percent of historical Palestine occupied by the Zionist movement in 1948 and now viewed by most of the world as 'Israel' or 'Israel proper'?
"The 100 percent of historical Palestine occupied by Israel since June 1967 and shown as "Israel" (without any 'Green Line') on maps in Israeli schoolbooks?
What "Israel"?
"These three verbal formulations have been used by Israel, the United States, and the European Union as a rationale for collective punishment of the Palestinian people.
"The phrases are also used by the media, politicians, and even diplomats interchangeably, as though they mean the same thing. They do not.
"'Recognizing Israel' or any other state is a formal legal and diplomatic act by one state with respect to another state.
"It is inappropriate – indeed, nonsensical – to talk about a political party or movement extending diplomatic recognition to a state.
"To talk of Hamas 'recognizing Israel' is simply to use sloppy, confusing, and deceptive shorthand for the real demand being made of the Palestinians.
"'Recognizing Israel's existence' appears on first impression to involve a relatively straightforward acknowledgment of a fact of life.
"Yet there are serious practical problems with this language. What Israel, within what borders, is involved?
"Is it the 55 percent of historical Palestine recommended for a Jewish state by the UN General Assembly in 1947?
"The 78 percent of historical Palestine occupied by the Zionist movement in 1948 and now viewed by most of the world as 'Israel' or 'Israel proper'?
"The 100 percent of historical Palestine occupied by Israel since June 1967 and shown as "Israel" (without any 'Green Line') on maps in Israeli schoolbooks?
What "Israel"?
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Palestine is the Jewish homeland. Arabs originated from Arabia.
League of Nations Palestine Mandate...
Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions...
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.
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More palliwood, of course.
georgephillip
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"Israel has never defined its own borders, since doing so would necessarily place limits on them.
"Still, if this were all that was being demanded of Hamas, it might be possible for the ruling political party to acknowledge, as a fact of life, that a state of Israel exists today within some specified borders. Indeed, Hamas leadership has effectively done so in recent weeks.
"'Recognizing Israel's right to exist,' the actual demand being made of Hamas and Palestinians, is in an entirely different league. This formulation does not address diplomatic formalities or a simple acceptance of present realities.
"It calls for a moral judgment.
"There is an enormous difference between 'recognizing Israel's existence' and 'recognizing Israel's right to exist.'
"From a Palestinian perspective, the difference is in the same league as the difference between asking a Jew to acknowledge that the Holocaust happened and asking him to concede that the Holocaust was morally justified.
"For Palestinians to acknowledge the occurrence of the Nakba – the expulsion of the great majority of Palestinians from their homeland between 1947 and 1949 – is one thing.
"For them to publicly concede that it was 'right' for the Nakba to have happened would be something else entirely.
"For the Jewish and Palestinian peoples, the Holocaust and the Nakba, respectively, represent catastrophes and injustices on an unimaginable scale that can neither be forgotten nor forgiven."
What is Israel's...
"Still, if this were all that was being demanded of Hamas, it might be possible for the ruling political party to acknowledge, as a fact of life, that a state of Israel exists today within some specified borders. Indeed, Hamas leadership has effectively done so in recent weeks.
"'Recognizing Israel's right to exist,' the actual demand being made of Hamas and Palestinians, is in an entirely different league. This formulation does not address diplomatic formalities or a simple acceptance of present realities.
"It calls for a moral judgment.
"There is an enormous difference between 'recognizing Israel's existence' and 'recognizing Israel's right to exist.'
"From a Palestinian perspective, the difference is in the same league as the difference between asking a Jew to acknowledge that the Holocaust happened and asking him to concede that the Holocaust was morally justified.
"For Palestinians to acknowledge the occurrence of the Nakba – the expulsion of the great majority of Palestinians from their homeland between 1947 and 1949 – is one thing.
"For them to publicly concede that it was 'right' for the Nakba to have happened would be something else entirely.
"For the Jewish and Palestinian peoples, the Holocaust and the Nakba, respectively, represent catastrophes and injustices on an unimaginable scale that can neither be forgotten nor forgiven."
What is Israel's...
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