Obama's job growth were part-time jobs...partially due to Obamacare!

[bigrebnc1775]

Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time

How many times are you worthless lying scum POS right-wingers going to mindlessly parrot this LIE?????
As you well know PT jobs for economic reasons went DOWN after the passage of the PPACA!!!!!

You need to put the crack pipe down and get away from American controlled mainstream media
US employers slashing worker hours to avoid Obamacare insurance mandate

 

[bigrebnc1775]

And how many times do honest people like ME who put the links and substantiation have to contend with people like YOU that state your own personal, subjective and total ignorant comments? PLEASE provide PROOF as I did to back up my statements. WHERE is your PROOF!!!

You have NO proof of anything only OPINIONS by biased hacks! And you know it. There is no data that supports your lies, the actual data shows that PT jobs for economic reasons, and the PPACA would be such an economic reason as your lying sources claim, DECREASED since the law was passed. And the data is easy to find, so there is no excuse for your sources lies, since the BLS specifically tracks PT jobs for economic reasons every month and reports it every month!!!!!

When the PPACA passed in March 2010 there were 9,126,000 working PT for economic reasons, when Obama left office it was down to 5,664,000. It is now 4,111,000
Here is the link to the BLS data:
Table A-8. Employed persons by class of worker and part-time status
Scroll down to PERSONS AT WORK PART TIME,
select Part time for economic reasons seasonally adjusted and then scroll down further and click on "retrieve data."

Here are the "biased hacks" Fast forward 6 years, when a report by Harvard and Princeton economists Lawrence Katz and Alan Krueger
YOU depended on BLS data and that was the problem as these economists who have considerable more expertise then you have came to the conclusion based
on more intensive studies. In their study, the duo show that from 2005 to 2015, the proportion of Americans workers engaged in what they refer to as “alternative work” soared during the Obama era, from 10.7% in 2005 to 15.8% in 2015.

Nevertheless, we impose the BLS’s classification hierarchy in our analysis below to make the results are as
The survey was conducted online between October 19, 2015 and November 4, 2015. A total of 6,028 subjects were invited to fill out the questionnaire, and a total of 3,850 completed the questionnaire, for a response rate of 63.9 percent
The rise in alternative work arrangements evident in Table 2, especially the increase in the share of workers who indicated that they were “working or self-employed as an independent contractor, an independent consultant, or a freelance worker” from 6.9 percent in 2005 to 8.4 percent in 2015 is a stark contrast to the declining trend in the share of employees who indicate that they are self-employed based on published CPS data.
https://dataspace.princeton.edu/jspui/bitstream/88435/dsp01zs25xb933/3/603.pdf
The problem is you didn't do enough thorough research as is wont with less educated people evidently like YOU!

PURE PROJECTION!

Like I have shown so many times before, when caught lying the Right just keep on lying.
After proving the LIE that 94% of Obama's new jobs were PT with actual BLS data, you now shift from PT jobs to "GIG" jobs, Citing the hacks Kats and Krueger's flawed RAND study that they have since walked back after the BLS reported their 2017 study which updated the 2005 study your hacks pretended to duplicate in 2016. The 2017 BLS report showed that the so called "GIG" jobs had actually DECLINED from 2005 to 2017 from 10.7% to 10.1%, but you knew that already since YOU do such thorough research!

Economists walk back study showing huge increase in gig work - CNN
Washington, DC (CNN Business)It was one of the most striking findings of 2016: The share of workers in "alternative" work arrangements, such as Uber drivers and other independent contractors, had risen dramatically over the previous decade.

The gig economy was exploding. The study from two well-known economists seemed to confirm that the traditional employment relationship was on the way out, to be replaced by micro-tasks delivered on demand.
Now the authors of that study — Alan Krueger of Princeton University and Larry Katz of Harvard — have walked back its conclusions. Their new study, released Monday, shows the challenge of figuring out how much Uber-type jobs have changed the landscape of American work.
Katz and Krueger's 2016 paper, based on data collected with the RAND Corporation, attempted to replicate the US Bureau of Labor Statistics' 2005 contingent worker supplement. At the time the Labor Department, the parent agency of BLS, didn't have the money to field a new survey itself.
The finding by Katz and Krueger was a blockbuster: They found that 15.8% of workers were in some kind of alternative work situation — from temporary help companies to the self-employed — up from 10.7% in 2005.
Soon after, fueled by questions about how much rideshare apps and other on-demand services were changing work, Congress found the money for an update to the 2005 survey. The new government survey found that the share of workers in alternative work arrangement had actually decreased, from 10.7% to 10.1% in 2017.
So how did Katz and Krueger go so wrong?
Their comprehensive re-evaluation chalks up the gap to differences in survey design that seemed trivial but turned out to matter a lot. For example, the sample of the BLS survey was much larger and conducted over the phone, rather than online, as the RAND survey was. Also, BLS allowed survey respondents to answer for other people in their own households, and they may not have realized the full extent of the side jobs held by their siblings, children or spouses.
After adjusting for all those differences, the economists concluded that gig work had increased by only one or two percentage points since 2005, rather than the more than 5 point increase they reported earlier.

Here is the 2017 BLS report proving your hacks completely WRONG!
Contingent and Alternative Employment Arrangements Summary
Contingent Work

In May 2017, the three estimates of contingent workers ranged from 1.3 percent to 3.8 percent of employment.
(See table A and the Technical Note for an explanation of the concepts.) In February 2005, the last
time the survey was conducted, all three measures were higher, ranging from 1.8 percent to 4.1
percent of employment.

Alternative Employment Arrangements

The May 2017 survey collected information on the number and characteristics of workers in four alternative
employment arrangements--independent contractors, on-call workers, temporary help agency workers, and
workers employed by contract companies.

Compared with February 2005 (the last time the survey was conducted), the proportion of the employed who
were independent contractors was lower in May 2017

Independent Contractors

Independent contractors (including independent consultants and freelance workers) remained the largest
of the four alternative work arrangements. In May 2017, there were 10.6 million independent contractors,
representing 6.9 percent of total employment. This estimate is smaller than the 7.4 percent of workers
in February 2005 who were independent contractors.

Temporary Help Agency Workers

Temporary help agency workers were heavily concentrated in the production, transportation, and material
moving occupations and in manufacturing industries. In May 2017, 46 percent of temporary help agency workers
would have preferred a traditional job, less than the 56 percent in February 2005.

RED ED is one of Grubers people that is BEYOND STUPID!

As usual, when the Right know the FACTS are against them they reduce themselves to personal attacks!
Thank you!

Are you ignoring this?;

 

[edthecynic]

As usual, when the Right know the FACTS are against them they reduce themselves to personal attacks!
Thank you!

But RED ED, YOU are such a bad liar, and such a good communist, you make it mandatory since SOMEONE might actually start to believe the garbage you put out!

Only the Right consider actual data as "garbage."

Funny as that is EXACTLY what the left says when confronted by real facts......

And when the personal attacks fail, the Right desperately try to deflect so they never have to accept the FACTS!
Thank you again!

Your welcome RED E . Now everyone can see who is on the left and who is RIGHT!

And who is citing actual data and who is deflecting!

 

[edthecynic]

Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time

How many times are you worthless lying scum POS right-wingers going to mindlessly parrot this LIE?????
As you well know PT jobs for economic reasons went DOWN after the passage of the PPACA!!!!!

LIE

Already PROVEN to be true with actual BLS data. Try a new lie!

 

[edthecynic]

Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time

How many times are you worthless lying scum POS right-wingers going to mindlessly parrot this LIE?????
As you well know PT jobs for economic reasons went DOWN after the passage of the PPACA!!!!!

You need to put the crack pipe down and get away from American controlled mainstream media
US employers slashing worker hours to avoid Obamacare insurance mandate

Your link cites NO data, only isolated anecdotal claims with no proof. I cite the actual BLS data.
Try a new lie!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Top Ex-White House Economist Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time
The decline of conventional full-time work has impacted every demographic. Whether this change is good or bad depends on what kinds of jobs people want. “Workers seeking full-time, steady work have lost,” said Krueger. ”
Top Ex-White House Economist Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time

The relationship between Obamacare and part-time work is because of this requirement of Obamacare:
ObamaCare’s “employer mandate” is a requirement that all businesses with 50 or more full-time equivalent employees (FTE) provide health insurance to at least 95% of their full-time employees and dependents up to age 26, or pay a fee. ObamaCare Employer Mandate

Up to 250,000 positions may have been eliminated by small businesses seeking to avoid Obamacare’s employer mandate, according to estimates in a new working paper distributed by the National Bureau of Economic Research. Altogether between 28,000 and 50,000 businesses appear to have reduced their number of full-time employees from 2014 to 2016 because of the mandate.
Businesses eliminated hundreds of thousands of full-time jobs to avoid Obamacare mandate

So for example employer health insurance cost the employer on average "Coverage with employer health insurance averaged $409 a month per person."
https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/re.../much-companies-pay-employer-health-insurance

So a small employer with say 49 employees wants to hire the 50th employee.
Monthly cost for health insurance by hiring that 50th employee: 50 times $409 equals $20,450/month
$245,400 per year directly from the bottom line of the business.

This small firm with 50 employees average gross revenue: $3,600,000
How Does Your Revenue Stack Up to Other Small Businesses? | QuickBooks
Net profit average per small firm is about 16%
What’s a Good Profit Margin for a New Business?
So now this small business with a net profit of $575,000 has this profit reduced due to Obamacare :
Net income before Obamacare: $575,000
Health insurance premium: 245,400
Net income after premium $330,276
percent reduction in net: Nearly 60% reduction in income.

HENCE...the employer says: hmmm well I won't hire one full time but two part-time!!!

How many times are you sheep going to post this bullshit? This is like the 19th thread on this topic.

First off, it was not just the Obama years, ti was a a full decade.

Second, it was not part time...it was "alternative" employment which means contract workers and more....almost all of which are full time.

And finally, the authors of the study have since came out and admitted they made errors in the initial study and have changed the results to correct the errors.

 

[edthecynic]

You have NO proof of anything only OPINIONS by biased hacks! And you know it. There is no data that supports your lies, the actual data shows that PT jobs for economic reasons, and the PPACA would be such an economic reason as your lying sources claim, DECREASED since the law was passed. And the data is easy to find, so there is no excuse for your sources lies, since the BLS specifically tracks PT jobs for economic reasons every month and reports it every month!!!!!

When the PPACA passed in March 2010 there were 9,126,000 working PT for economic reasons, when Obama left office it was down to 5,664,000. It is now 4,111,000
Here is the link to the BLS data:
Table A-8. Employed persons by class of worker and part-time status
Scroll down to PERSONS AT WORK PART TIME,
select Part time for economic reasons seasonally adjusted and then scroll down further and click on "retrieve data."

Here are the "biased hacks" Fast forward 6 years, when a report by Harvard and Princeton economists Lawrence Katz and Alan Krueger
YOU depended on BLS data and that was the problem as these economists who have considerable more expertise then you have came to the conclusion based
on more intensive studies. In their study, the duo show that from 2005 to 2015, the proportion of Americans workers engaged in what they refer to as “alternative work” soared during the Obama era, from 10.7% in 2005 to 15.8% in 2015.

Nevertheless, we impose the BLS’s classification hierarchy in our analysis below to make the results are as
The survey was conducted online between October 19, 2015 and November 4, 2015. A total of 6,028 subjects were invited to fill out the questionnaire, and a total of 3,850 completed the questionnaire, for a response rate of 63.9 percent
The rise in alternative work arrangements evident in Table 2, especially the increase in the share of workers who indicated that they were “working or self-employed as an independent contractor, an independent consultant, or a freelance worker” from 6.9 percent in 2005 to 8.4 percent in 2015 is a stark contrast to the declining trend in the share of employees who indicate that they are self-employed based on published CPS data.
https://dataspace.princeton.edu/jspui/bitstream/88435/dsp01zs25xb933/3/603.pdf
The problem is you didn't do enough thorough research as is wont with less educated people evidently like YOU!

PURE PROJECTION!

Like I have shown so many times before, when caught lying the Right just keep on lying.
After proving the LIE that 94% of Obama's new jobs were PT with actual BLS data, you now shift from PT jobs to "GIG" jobs, Citing the hacks Kats and Krueger's flawed RAND study that they have since walked back after the BLS reported their 2017 study which updated the 2005 study your hacks pretended to duplicate in 2016. The 2017 BLS report showed that the so called "GIG" jobs had actually DECLINED from 2005 to 2017 from 10.7% to 10.1%, but you knew that already since YOU do such thorough research!

Economists walk back study showing huge increase in gig work - CNN
Washington, DC (CNN Business)It was one of the most striking findings of 2016: The share of workers in "alternative" work arrangements, such as Uber drivers and other independent contractors, had risen dramatically over the previous decade.

The gig economy was exploding. The study from two well-known economists seemed to confirm that the traditional employment relationship was on the way out, to be replaced by micro-tasks delivered on demand.
Now the authors of that study — Alan Krueger of Princeton University and Larry Katz of Harvard — have walked back its conclusions. Their new study, released Monday, shows the challenge of figuring out how much Uber-type jobs have changed the landscape of American work.
Katz and Krueger's 2016 paper, based on data collected with the RAND Corporation, attempted to replicate the US Bureau of Labor Statistics' 2005 contingent worker supplement. At the time the Labor Department, the parent agency of BLS, didn't have the money to field a new survey itself.
The finding by Katz and Krueger was a blockbuster: They found that 15.8% of workers were in some kind of alternative work situation — from temporary help companies to the self-employed — up from 10.7% in 2005.
Soon after, fueled by questions about how much rideshare apps and other on-demand services were changing work, Congress found the money for an update to the 2005 survey. The new government survey found that the share of workers in alternative work arrangement had actually decreased, from 10.7% to 10.1% in 2017.
So how did Katz and Krueger go so wrong?
Their comprehensive re-evaluation chalks up the gap to differences in survey design that seemed trivial but turned out to matter a lot. For example, the sample of the BLS survey was much larger and conducted over the phone, rather than online, as the RAND survey was. Also, BLS allowed survey respondents to answer for other people in their own households, and they may not have realized the full extent of the side jobs held by their siblings, children or spouses.
After adjusting for all those differences, the economists concluded that gig work had increased by only one or two percentage points since 2005, rather than the more than 5 point increase they reported earlier.

Here is the 2017 BLS report proving your hacks completely WRONG!
Contingent and Alternative Employment Arrangements Summary
Contingent Work

In May 2017, the three estimates of contingent workers ranged from 1.3 percent to 3.8 percent of employment.
(See table A and the Technical Note for an explanation of the concepts.) In February 2005, the last
time the survey was conducted, all three measures were higher, ranging from 1.8 percent to 4.1
percent of employment.

Alternative Employment Arrangements

The May 2017 survey collected information on the number and characteristics of workers in four alternative
employment arrangements--independent contractors, on-call workers, temporary help agency workers, and
workers employed by contract companies.

Compared with February 2005 (the last time the survey was conducted), the proportion of the employed who
were independent contractors was lower in May 2017

Independent Contractors

Independent contractors (including independent consultants and freelance workers) remained the largest
of the four alternative work arrangements. In May 2017, there were 10.6 million independent contractors,
representing 6.9 percent of total employment. This estimate is smaller than the 7.4 percent of workers
in February 2005 who were independent contractors.

Temporary Help Agency Workers

Temporary help agency workers were heavily concentrated in the production, transportation, and material
moving occupations and in manufacturing industries. In May 2017, 46 percent of temporary help agency workers
would have preferred a traditional job, less than the 56 percent in February 2005.

RED ED is one of Grubers people that is BEYOND STUPID!

As usual, when the Right know the FACTS are against them they reduce themselves to personal attacks!
Thank you!

Are you ignoring this?;

Again you cannot refute the data so you deflect with the Trumpian philosophy as expressed by Romney's RomneyCare architect.

 

[The Purge]

Here are the "biased hacks" Fast forward 6 years, when a report by Harvard and Princeton economists Lawrence Katz and Alan Krueger
YOU depended on BLS data and that was the problem as these economists who have considerable more expertise then you have came to the conclusion based
on more intensive studies. In their study, the duo show that from 2005 to 2015, the proportion of Americans workers engaged in what they refer to as “alternative work” soared during the Obama era, from 10.7% in 2005 to 15.8% in 2015.

Nevertheless, we impose the BLS’s classification hierarchy in our analysis below to make the results are as
The survey was conducted online between October 19, 2015 and November 4, 2015. A total of 6,028 subjects were invited to fill out the questionnaire, and a total of 3,850 completed the questionnaire, for a response rate of 63.9 percent
The rise in alternative work arrangements evident in Table 2, especially the increase in the share of workers who indicated that they were “working or self-employed as an independent contractor, an independent consultant, or a freelance worker” from 6.9 percent in 2005 to 8.4 percent in 2015 is a stark contrast to the declining trend in the share of employees who indicate that they are self-employed based on published CPS data.
https://dataspace.princeton.edu/jspui/bitstream/88435/dsp01zs25xb933/3/603.pdf
The problem is you didn't do enough thorough research as is wont with less educated people evidently like YOU!

PURE PROJECTION!

Like I have shown so many times before, when caught lying the Right just keep on lying.
After proving the LIE that 94% of Obama's new jobs were PT with actual BLS data, you now shift from PT jobs to "GIG" jobs, Citing the hacks Kats and Krueger's flawed RAND study that they have since walked back after the BLS reported their 2017 study which updated the 2005 study your hacks pretended to duplicate in 2016. The 2017 BLS report showed that the so called "GIG" jobs had actually DECLINED from 2005 to 2017 from 10.7% to 10.1%, but you knew that already since YOU do such thorough research!

Economists walk back study showing huge increase in gig work - CNN
Washington, DC (CNN Business)It was one of the most striking findings of 2016: The share of workers in "alternative" work arrangements, such as Uber drivers and other independent contractors, had risen dramatically over the previous decade.

The gig economy was exploding. The study from two well-known economists seemed to confirm that the traditional employment relationship was on the way out, to be replaced by micro-tasks delivered on demand.
Now the authors of that study — Alan Krueger of Princeton University and Larry Katz of Harvard — have walked back its conclusions. Their new study, released Monday, shows the challenge of figuring out how much Uber-type jobs have changed the landscape of American work.
Katz and Krueger's 2016 paper, based on data collected with the RAND Corporation, attempted to replicate the US Bureau of Labor Statistics' 2005 contingent worker supplement. At the time the Labor Department, the parent agency of BLS, didn't have the money to field a new survey itself.
The finding by Katz and Krueger was a blockbuster: They found that 15.8% of workers were in some kind of alternative work situation — from temporary help companies to the self-employed — up from 10.7% in 2005.
Soon after, fueled by questions about how much rideshare apps and other on-demand services were changing work, Congress found the money for an update to the 2005 survey. The new government survey found that the share of workers in alternative work arrangement had actually decreased, from 10.7% to 10.1% in 2017.
So how did Katz and Krueger go so wrong?
Their comprehensive re-evaluation chalks up the gap to differences in survey design that seemed trivial but turned out to matter a lot. For example, the sample of the BLS survey was much larger and conducted over the phone, rather than online, as the RAND survey was. Also, BLS allowed survey respondents to answer for other people in their own households, and they may not have realized the full extent of the side jobs held by their siblings, children or spouses.
After adjusting for all those differences, the economists concluded that gig work had increased by only one or two percentage points since 2005, rather than the more than 5 point increase they reported earlier.

Here is the 2017 BLS report proving your hacks completely WRONG!
Contingent and Alternative Employment Arrangements Summary
Contingent Work

In May 2017, the three estimates of contingent workers ranged from 1.3 percent to 3.8 percent of employment.
(See table A and the Technical Note for an explanation of the concepts.) In February 2005, the last
time the survey was conducted, all three measures were higher, ranging from 1.8 percent to 4.1
percent of employment.

Alternative Employment Arrangements

The May 2017 survey collected information on the number and characteristics of workers in four alternative
employment arrangements--independent contractors, on-call workers, temporary help agency workers, and
workers employed by contract companies.

Compared with February 2005 (the last time the survey was conducted), the proportion of the employed who
were independent contractors was lower in May 2017

Independent Contractors

Independent contractors (including independent consultants and freelance workers) remained the largest
of the four alternative work arrangements. In May 2017, there were 10.6 million independent contractors,
representing 6.9 percent of total employment. This estimate is smaller than the 7.4 percent of workers
in February 2005 who were independent contractors.

Temporary Help Agency Workers

Temporary help agency workers were heavily concentrated in the production, transportation, and material
moving occupations and in manufacturing industries. In May 2017, 46 percent of temporary help agency workers
would have preferred a traditional job, less than the 56 percent in February 2005.

RED ED is one of Grubers people that is BEYOND STUPID!

As usual, when the Right know the FACTS are against them they reduce themselves to personal attacks!
Thank you!

Are you ignoring this?;

Again you cannot refute the data so you deflect with the Trumpian philosophy as expressed by Romney's RomneyCare architect.

Mutt Romney even states he is progressive and the left wing young Turks call him out on ROMNEYCARE

 

[healthmyths]

Top Ex-White House Economist Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time
The decline of conventional full-time work has impacted every demographic. Whether this change is good or bad depends on what kinds of jobs people want. “Workers seeking full-time, steady work have lost,” said Krueger. ”
Top Ex-White House Economist Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time

The relationship between Obamacare and part-time work is because of this requirement of Obamacare:
ObamaCare’s “employer mandate” is a requirement that all businesses with 50 or more full-time equivalent employees (FTE) provide health insurance to at least 95% of their full-time employees and dependents up to age 26, or pay a fee. ObamaCare Employer Mandate

Up to 250,000 positions may have been eliminated by small businesses seeking to avoid Obamacare’s employer mandate, according to estimates in a new working paper distributed by the National Bureau of Economic Research. Altogether between 28,000 and 50,000 businesses appear to have reduced their number of full-time employees from 2014 to 2016 because of the mandate.
Businesses eliminated hundreds of thousands of full-time jobs to avoid Obamacare mandate

So for example employer health insurance cost the employer on average "Coverage with employer health insurance averaged $409 a month per person."
https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/re.../much-companies-pay-employer-health-insurance

So a small employer with say 49 employees wants to hire the 50th employee.
Monthly cost for health insurance by hiring that 50th employee: 50 times $409 equals $20,450/month
$245,400 per year directly from the bottom line of the business.

This small firm with 50 employees average gross revenue: $3,600,000
How Does Your Revenue Stack Up to Other Small Businesses? | QuickBooks
Net profit average per small firm is about 16%
What’s a Good Profit Margin for a New Business?
So now this small business with a net profit of $575,000 has this profit reduced due to Obamacare :
Net income before Obamacare: $575,000
Health insurance premium: 245,400
Net income after premium $330,276
percent reduction in net: Nearly 60% reduction in income.

HENCE...the employer says: hmmm well I won't hire one full time but two part-time!!!

How many times are you sheep going to post this bullshit? This is like the 19th thread on this topic.

First off, it was not just the Obama years, ti was a a full decade.

Second, it was not part time...it was "alternative" employment which means contract workers and more....almost all of which are full time.

And finally, the authors of the study have since came out and admitted they made errors in the initial study and have changed the results to correct the errors.

I don't believe you for one second! Post the link where the authors changed the results!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I don't believe you for one second! Post the link where the authors changed the results!

Economists walk back study showing huge increase in gig work - CNN

And here is the actual paper from them..

https://www.nber.org/papers/w25425.pdf

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Top Ex-White House Economist Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time
The decline of conventional full-time work has impacted every demographic. Whether this change is good or bad depends on what kinds of jobs people want. “Workers seeking full-time, steady work have lost,” said Krueger. ”
Top Ex-White House Economist Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time

The relationship between Obamacare and part-time work is because of this requirement of Obamacare:
ObamaCare’s “employer mandate” is a requirement that all businesses with 50 or more full-time equivalent employees (FTE) provide health insurance to at least 95% of their full-time employees and dependents up to age 26, or pay a fee. ObamaCare Employer Mandate

Up to 250,000 positions may have been eliminated by small businesses seeking to avoid Obamacare’s employer mandate, according to estimates in a new working paper distributed by the National Bureau of Economic Research. Altogether between 28,000 and 50,000 businesses appear to have reduced their number of full-time employees from 2014 to 2016 because of the mandate.
Businesses eliminated hundreds of thousands of full-time jobs to avoid Obamacare mandate

So for example employer health insurance cost the employer on average "Coverage with employer health insurance averaged $409 a month per person."
https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/re.../much-companies-pay-employer-health-insurance

So a small employer with say 49 employees wants to hire the 50th employee.
Monthly cost for health insurance by hiring that 50th employee: 50 times $409 equals $20,450/month
$245,400 per year directly from the bottom line of the business.

This small firm with 50 employees average gross revenue: $3,600,000
How Does Your Revenue Stack Up to Other Small Businesses? | QuickBooks
Net profit average per small firm is about 16%
What’s a Good Profit Margin for a New Business?
So now this small business with a net profit of $575,000 has this profit reduced due to Obamacare :
Net income before Obamacare: $575,000
Health insurance premium: 245,400
Net income after premium $330,276
percent reduction in net: Nearly 60% reduction in income.

HENCE...the employer says: hmmm well I won't hire one full time but two part-time!!!

How many times are you sheep going to post this bullshit? This is like the 19th thread on this topic.

First off, it was not just the Obama years, ti was a a full decade.

Second, it was not part time...it was "alternative" employment which means contract workers and more....almost all of which are full time.

And finally, the authors of the study have since came out and admitted they made errors in the initial study and have changed the results to correct the errors.

I don't believe you for one second! Post the link where the authors changed the results!

And I see you lack the integrity to admit you lied about the original study saying they were part time jobs.

 

[healthmyths]

Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time

How many times are you worthless lying scum POS right-wingers going to mindlessly parrot this LIE?????
As you well know PT jobs for economic reasons went DOWN after the passage of the PPACA!!!!!

And how many times do honest people like ME who put the links and substantiation have to contend with people like YOU that state your own personal, subjective and total ignorant comments? PLEASE provide PROOF as I did to back up my statements. WHERE is your PROOF!!!

You have NO proof of anything only OPINIONS by biased hacks! And you know it. There is no data that supports your lies, the actual data shows that PT jobs for economic reasons, and the PPACA would be such an economic reason as your lying sources claim, DECREASED since the law was passed. And the data is easy to find, so there is no excuse for your sources lies, since the BLS specifically tracks PT jobs for economic reasons every month and reports it every month!!!!!

When the PPACA passed in March 2010 there were 9,126,000 working PT for economic reasons, when Obama left office it was down to 5,664,000. It is now 4,111,000
Here is the link to the BLS data:
Table A-8. Employed persons by class of worker and part-time status
Scroll down to PERSONS AT WORK PART TIME,
select Part time for economic reasons seasonally adjusted and then scroll down further and click on "retrieve data."

Here are the "biased hacks" Fast forward 6 years, when a report by Harvard and Princeton economists Lawrence Katz and Alan Krueger
YOU depended on BLS data and that was the problem as these economists who have considerable more expertise then you have came to the conclusion based
on more intensive studies. In their study, the duo show that from 2005 to 2015, the proportion of Americans workers engaged in what they refer to as “alternative work” soared during the Obama era, from 10.7% in 2005 to 15.8% in 2015.

Nevertheless, we impose the BLS’s classification hierarchy in our analysis below to make the results are as
The survey was conducted online between October 19, 2015 and November 4, 2015. A total of 6,028 subjects were invited to fill out the questionnaire, and a total of 3,850 completed the questionnaire, for a response rate of 63.9 percent
The rise in alternative work arrangements evident in Table 2, especially the increase in the share of workers who indicated that they were “working or self-employed as an independent contractor, an independent consultant, or a freelance worker” from 6.9 percent in 2005 to 8.4 percent in 2015 is a stark contrast to the declining trend in the share of employees who indicate that they are self-employed based on published CPS data.
https://dataspace.princeton.edu/jspui/bitstream/88435/dsp01zs25xb933/3/603.pdf
The problem is you didn't do enough thorough research as is wont with less educated people evidently like YOU!

PURE PROJECTION!

Like I have shown so many times before, when caught lying the Right just keep on lying.
After proving the LIE that 94% of Obama's new jobs were PT with actual BLS data, you now shift from PT jobs to "GIG" jobs, Citing the hacks Kats and Krueger's flawed RAND study that they have since walked back after the BLS reported their 2017 study which updated the 2005 study your hacks pretended to duplicate in 2016. The 2017 BLS report showed that the so called "GIG" jobs had actually DECLINED from 2005 to 2017 from 10.7% to 10.1%, but you knew that already since YOU do such thorough research!

Economists walk back study showing huge increase in gig work - CNN
Washington, DC (CNN Business)It was one of the most striking findings of 2016: The share of workers in "alternative" work arrangements, such as Uber drivers and other independent contractors, had risen dramatically over the previous decade.

The gig economy was exploding. The study from two well-known economists seemed to confirm that the traditional employment relationship was on the way out, to be replaced by micro-tasks delivered on demand.
Now the authors of that study — Alan Krueger of Princeton University and Larry Katz of Harvard — have walked back its conclusions. Their new study, released Monday, shows the challenge of figuring out how much Uber-type jobs have changed the landscape of American work.
Katz and Krueger's 2016 paper, based on data collected with the RAND Corporation, attempted to replicate the US Bureau of Labor Statistics' 2005 contingent worker supplement. At the time the Labor Department, the parent agency of BLS, didn't have the money to field a new survey itself.
The finding by Katz and Krueger was a blockbuster: They found that 15.8% of workers were in some kind of alternative work situation — from temporary help companies to the self-employed — up from 10.7% in 2005.
Soon after, fueled by questions about how much rideshare apps and other on-demand services were changing work, Congress found the money for an update to the 2005 survey. The new government survey found that the share of workers in alternative work arrangement had actually decreased, from 10.7% to 10.1% in 2017.
So how did Katz and Krueger go so wrong?
Their comprehensive re-evaluation chalks up the gap to differences in survey design that seemed trivial but turned out to matter a lot. For example, the sample of the BLS survey was much larger and conducted over the phone, rather than online, as the RAND survey was. Also, BLS allowed survey respondents to answer for other people in their own households, and they may not have realized the full extent of the side jobs held by their siblings, children or spouses.
After adjusting for all those differences, the economists concluded that gig work had increased by only one or two percentage points since 2005, rather than the more than 5 point increase they reported earlier.

Here is the 2017 BLS report proving your hacks completely WRONG!
Contingent and Alternative Employment Arrangements Summary
Contingent Work

In May 2017, the three estimates of contingent workers ranged from 1.3 percent to 3.8 percent of employment.
(See table A and the Technical Note for an explanation of the concepts.) In February 2005, the last
time the survey was conducted, all three measures were higher, ranging from 1.8 percent to 4.1
percent of employment.

Alternative Employment Arrangements

The May 2017 survey collected information on the number and characteristics of workers in four alternative
employment arrangements--independent contractors, on-call workers, temporary help agency workers, and
workers employed by contract companies.

Compared with February 2005 (the last time the survey was conducted), the proportion of the employed who
were independent contractors was lower in May 2017

Independent Contractors

Independent contractors (including independent consultants and freelance workers) remained the largest
of the four alternative work arrangements. In May 2017, there were 10.6 million independent contractors,
representing 6.9 percent of total employment. This estimate is smaller than the 7.4 percent of workers
in February 2005 who were independent contractors.

Temporary Help Agency Workers

Temporary help agency workers were heavily concentrated in the production, transportation, and material
moving occupations and in manufacturing industries. In May 2017, 46 percent of temporary help agency workers
would have preferred a traditional job, less than the 56 percent in February 2005.

You copied :"In May 2017, there were 10.6 million independent contractors, representing 6.9 percent of total employment.
This estimate is smaller than the 7.4 percent of workers in February 2005 who were independent contractors."

Simple question for you. Which results of multiplying 6.9% times a number would be bigger?
6.9% X 1,000 or
6.9% X 10,000?

So again 6.9% of 153,623,188 full time employees in 2017 IS a smaller percentage because there are 14,923,188 more people EMPLOYED!
6.9% times 153,623,188 full-time employed equals 10,600,000 independent contractors.
Compared to total employed in 2005 (with 14,923,188 less total employed) was 138,700,000 X 7.4% =10,263,800 independent contractors.
Employment : Full-time equivalent employment rate, by sex

 

[edthecynic]

How many times are you worthless lying scum POS right-wingers going to mindlessly parrot this LIE?????
As you well know PT jobs for economic reasons went DOWN after the passage of the PPACA!!!!!

And how many times do honest people like ME who put the links and substantiation have to contend with people like YOU that state your own personal, subjective and total ignorant comments? PLEASE provide PROOF as I did to back up my statements. WHERE is your PROOF!!!

You have NO proof of anything only OPINIONS by biased hacks! And you know it. There is no data that supports your lies, the actual data shows that PT jobs for economic reasons, and the PPACA would be such an economic reason as your lying sources claim, DECREASED since the law was passed. And the data is easy to find, so there is no excuse for your sources lies, since the BLS specifically tracks PT jobs for economic reasons every month and reports it every month!!!!!

When the PPACA passed in March 2010 there were 9,126,000 working PT for economic reasons, when Obama left office it was down to 5,664,000. It is now 4,111,000
Here is the link to the BLS data:
Table A-8. Employed persons by class of worker and part-time status
Scroll down to PERSONS AT WORK PART TIME,
select Part time for economic reasons seasonally adjusted and then scroll down further and click on "retrieve data."

Here are the "biased hacks" Fast forward 6 years, when a report by Harvard and Princeton economists Lawrence Katz and Alan Krueger
YOU depended on BLS data and that was the problem as these economists who have considerable more expertise then you have came to the conclusion based
on more intensive studies. In their study, the duo show that from 2005 to 2015, the proportion of Americans workers engaged in what they refer to as “alternative work” soared during the Obama era, from 10.7% in 2005 to 15.8% in 2015.

Nevertheless, we impose the BLS’s classification hierarchy in our analysis below to make the results are as
The survey was conducted online between October 19, 2015 and November 4, 2015. A total of 6,028 subjects were invited to fill out the questionnaire, and a total of 3,850 completed the questionnaire, for a response rate of 63.9 percent
The rise in alternative work arrangements evident in Table 2, especially the increase in the share of workers who indicated that they were “working or self-employed as an independent contractor, an independent consultant, or a freelance worker” from 6.9 percent in 2005 to 8.4 percent in 2015 is a stark contrast to the declining trend in the share of employees who indicate that they are self-employed based on published CPS data.
https://dataspace.princeton.edu/jspui/bitstream/88435/dsp01zs25xb933/3/603.pdf
The problem is you didn't do enough thorough research as is wont with less educated people evidently like YOU!

PURE PROJECTION!

Like I have shown so many times before, when caught lying the Right just keep on lying.
After proving the LIE that 94% of Obama's new jobs were PT with actual BLS data, you now shift from PT jobs to "GIG" jobs, Citing the hacks Kats and Krueger's flawed RAND study that they have since walked back after the BLS reported their 2017 study which updated the 2005 study your hacks pretended to duplicate in 2016. The 2017 BLS report showed that the so called "GIG" jobs had actually DECLINED from 2005 to 2017 from 10.7% to 10.1%, but you knew that already since YOU do such thorough research!

Economists walk back study showing huge increase in gig work - CNN
Washington, DC (CNN Business)It was one of the most striking findings of 2016: The share of workers in "alternative" work arrangements, such as Uber drivers and other independent contractors, had risen dramatically over the previous decade.

The gig economy was exploding. The study from two well-known economists seemed to confirm that the traditional employment relationship was on the way out, to be replaced by micro-tasks delivered on demand.
Now the authors of that study — Alan Krueger of Princeton University and Larry Katz of Harvard — have walked back its conclusions. Their new study, released Monday, shows the challenge of figuring out how much Uber-type jobs have changed the landscape of American work.
Katz and Krueger's 2016 paper, based on data collected with the RAND Corporation, attempted to replicate the US Bureau of Labor Statistics' 2005 contingent worker supplement. At the time the Labor Department, the parent agency of BLS, didn't have the money to field a new survey itself.
The finding by Katz and Krueger was a blockbuster: They found that 15.8% of workers were in some kind of alternative work situation — from temporary help companies to the self-employed — up from 10.7% in 2005.
Soon after, fueled by questions about how much rideshare apps and other on-demand services were changing work, Congress found the money for an update to the 2005 survey. The new government survey found that the share of workers in alternative work arrangement had actually decreased, from 10.7% to 10.1% in 2017.
So how did Katz and Krueger go so wrong?
Their comprehensive re-evaluation chalks up the gap to differences in survey design that seemed trivial but turned out to matter a lot. For example, the sample of the BLS survey was much larger and conducted over the phone, rather than online, as the RAND survey was. Also, BLS allowed survey respondents to answer for other people in their own households, and they may not have realized the full extent of the side jobs held by their siblings, children or spouses.
After adjusting for all those differences, the economists concluded that gig work had increased by only one or two percentage points since 2005, rather than the more than 5 point increase they reported earlier.

Here is the 2017 BLS report proving your hacks completely WRONG!
Contingent and Alternative Employment Arrangements Summary
Contingent Work

In May 2017, the three estimates of contingent workers ranged from 1.3 percent to 3.8 percent of employment.
(See table A and the Technical Note for an explanation of the concepts.) In February 2005, the last
time the survey was conducted, all three measures were higher, ranging from 1.8 percent to 4.1
percent of employment.

Alternative Employment Arrangements

The May 2017 survey collected information on the number and characteristics of workers in four alternative
employment arrangements--independent contractors, on-call workers, temporary help agency workers, and
workers employed by contract companies.

Compared with February 2005 (the last time the survey was conducted), the proportion of the employed who
were independent contractors was lower in May 2017

Independent Contractors

Independent contractors (including independent consultants and freelance workers) remained the largest
of the four alternative work arrangements. In May 2017, there were 10.6 million independent contractors,
representing 6.9 percent of total employment. This estimate is smaller than the 7.4 percent of workers
in February 2005 who were independent contractors.

Temporary Help Agency Workers

Temporary help agency workers were heavily concentrated in the production, transportation, and material
moving occupations and in manufacturing industries. In May 2017, 46 percent of temporary help agency workers
would have preferred a traditional job, less than the 56 percent in February 2005.

You copied :"In May 2017, there were 10.6 million independent contractors, representing 6.9 percent of total employment.
This estimate is smaller than the 7.4 percent of workers in February 2005 who were independent contractors."

Simple question for you. Which results of multiplying 6.9% times a number would be bigger?
6.9% X 1,000 or
6.9% X 10,000?

So again 6.9% of 153,623,188 full time employees in 2017 IS a smaller percentage because there are 14,923,188 more people EMPLOYED!
6.9% times 153,623,188 full-time employed equals 10,600,000 independent contractors.
Compared to total employed in 2005 (with 14,923,188 less total employed) was 138,700,000 X 7.4% =10,263,800 independent contractors.
Employment : Full-time equivalent employment rate, by sex

You just can't admit the truth. Your own FAKE RAND "study" you tried to pass off as a Harvard study used percentages, only their's were FAKE!

In their study, the duo show that from 2005 to 2015, the proportion of Americans workers engaged in what they refer to as “alternative work” soared during the Obama era, from 10.7% in 2005 to 15.8% in 2015.

Of course now that their FAKE "study" has been exposed that "soared" has suddenly become "modest." Of course the only way they got that "modest" increase was to include their discredited RAND FAKE "study" with the other honest studies and average the results!

Lawrence F. Katz, Alan B. Krueger
NBER Working Paper No. 25425
Issued in January 2019, Revised in January 2019
NBER Program(s):Labor Studies Program

This paper describes and tries to reconcile trends in alternative work arrangements in the United States using data from the Contingent Worker Survey supplements to the Current Population Survey (CPS) for 1995 to 2017, the 2015 RAND-Princeton Contingent Work Survey (CWS), and administrative tax data from the Internal Revenue Service for 2000 to 2016. We conclude that there likely has been a modest upward trend in the share of the U.S. workforce in alternative work arrangements during the 2000s based on the cyclically-adjusted comparisons of the CPS CWS’s

 

[Winco]

You just can't admit the truth. Your own FAKE RAND "study" you tried to pass off as a Harvard study used percentages, only their's were FAKE!

These RWI's are so programmed to lie and scream FAKE news.
It's all they got.

Remember when Hannity lead every show with "Obama economy has 93,000,000 Americans "Out of the Labor Force."
Today, according to BLM, if you believe them, lol, that number is over 96,000,000
Why doesn't Hannity talk about this today? We know why.

 

[edthecynic]

You just can't admit the truth. Your own FAKE RAND "study" you tried to pass off as a Harvard study used percentages, only their's were FAKE!

These RWI's are so programmed to lie and scream FAKE news.
It's all they got.

Remember when Hannity lead every show with "Obama economy has 93,000,000 Americans "Out of the Labor Force."
Today, according to BLM, if you believe them, lol, that number is over 96,000,000
Why doesn't Hannity talk about this today? We know why.

That was also a favorite rant of Russia LimpBoy too. He says it as "not working, but eating."

May 25, 2012
RUSH: And I know that 88 million Americans are not working but they're eating, and it's a statistic that worries me.
It's quite telling that 88 million are not working but they're eating.

October 15, 2013
RUSH: We've got a lot of people -- look, 90 million Americans -- I love to put it this way 'cause I think it's the proper perspective. Ninety million Americans are not working, Donna, but they're eating.

May 02, 2014
RUSH: 92,594,000 Americans are not working. They're all eating.

May 21, 2015
RUSH: Here's the bottom line: 93 million Americans are not working, and they are all eating. I know I say that a lot. I say it a lot on purpose because I'm trying to make a point. Ninety-three million Americans not working but they're eating.

Then, of course Tramp has to mindlessly parrot it.

Don’t forget in the meantime we have a real unemployment rate that’s probably 21%. It’s not 6. It’s not 5.2 and 5.5. Our real unemployment rate–in fact, I saw a chart the other day, our real unemployment–because you have ninety million people that aren’t working. Ninety-three million to be exact.
If you start adding it up, our real unemployment rate is 42%.
- Donald Jackass Trump, Time interview, Aug. 18, 2015

Using Tramps calculation, the REAL UE rate is 61.6%
Labor Force = 164,556,000
Unemployed = 5,753,000
Not In LF = 95,625,000

Total not working but eating = 101,378,000
Divided by labor force = 61.6%

 

[keepitreal]

Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time

How many times are you worthless lying scum POS right-wingers going to mindlessly parrot this LIE?????
As you well know PT jobs for economic reasons went DOWN after the passage of the PPACA!!!!!

LIE

Already PROVEN to be true with actual BLS data. Try a new lie!

2009

Jan-8675
Feb-9053
March-9168
April-8556
May-8663
June-9190
July-8977
Aug-8712
Sept-8134
Oct-8350
Nov-8796
Dec-9222

2010

9161
9108
9210
8830
8392
8734
8610
8509
8540
8279
8526
9029

2011

9027
8633
8537
8305
8144
8600
8372
8463
8423
8151
8161
8259

2012

8747
8302
7753
7581
7736
8268
8218
7723
8003
7768
7898
8038

2013

8506
8163
7598
7590
7523
8328
8207
7567
7437
7628
7478
7848

2014

7617
7269
7321
7120
6917
7706
7568
7021
6618
6698
6597
6855

 

[edthecynic]

Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time

How many times are you worthless lying scum POS right-wingers going to mindlessly parrot this LIE?????
As you well know PT jobs for economic reasons went DOWN after the passage of the PPACA!!!!!

LIE

Already PROVEN to be true with actual BLS data. Try a new lie!

2009

Jan-8675
Feb-9053
March-9168
April-8556
May-8663
June-9190
July-8977
Aug-8712
Sept-8134
Oct-8350
Nov-8796
Dec-9222

2010

9161
9108
9210
8830
8392
8734
8610
8509
8540
8279
8526
9029

2011

9027
8633
8537
8305
8144
8600
8372
8463
8423
8151
8161
8259

2012

8747
8302
7753
7581
7736
8268
8218
7723
8003
7768
7898
8038

2013

8506
8163
7598
7590
7523
8328
8207
7567
7437
7628
7478
7848

2014

7617
7269
7321
7120
6917
7706
7568
7021
6618
6698
6597
6855

PPACA passed the end of March 2010 and your numbers show that at 9,210,000 and you end at 6,855,000 which sure seems LOWER to me, which means PT jobs for economic reasons DECREASED after Obama Care passed!!!!!

 

[DustyInfinity]

I don't know whose numbers are the 'real' numbers, but I do know this. Give your money to the government = prosperity. That there is 100% communomics. Do the lefties deny Obamacare decimated work hours?

 

[rightwinger]

Obama’s jobs were all Brain Surgeons, Rocket Scientists, Astronauts, Research Scientists and College Professors

Trump has added nothing but Burger Flippers

 

[keepitreal]

Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time

How many times are you worthless lying scum POS right-wingers going to mindlessly parrot this LIE?????
As you well know PT jobs for economic reasons went DOWN after the passage of the PPACA!!!!!

LIE

Already PROVEN to be true with actual BLS data. Try a new lie!

2009

Jan-8675
Feb-9053
March-9168
April-8556
May-8663
June-9190
July-8977
Aug-8712
Sept-8134
Oct-8350
Nov-8796
Dec-9222

2010

9161
9108
9210
8830
8392
8734
8610
8509
8540
8279
8526
9029

2011

9027
8633
8537
8305
8144
8600
8372
8463
8423
8151
8161
8259

2012

8747
8302
7753
7581
7736
8268
8218
7723
8003
7768
7898
8038

2013

8506
8163
7598
7590
7523
8328
8207
7567
7437
7628
7478
7848

2014

7617
7269
7321
7120
6917
7706
7568
7021
6618
6698
6597
6855

PPACA passed the end of March 2010 and your numbers show that at 9,210,000 and you end at 6,855,000 which sure seems LOWER to me, which means PT jobs for economic reasons DECREASED after Obama Care passed!!!!!

Your numbers show me you're confused

Not millions, thousands

Those were monthly figures from BLS for PT economic reasons

BLS

I choose non agricultural