Obamagate? Exactly what crime did Obama commit?

[BULLDOG]

I guess I was wrong. I expected more than just some vague reference to a conspiracy theory.

That would be tough. There isn't anything more than grievance and self victimisation.

It's like they are positive that they believe all those stories, but they can't give a credible reason why they believe them

The evidence is clear and the post on this board have shown them. Can't you read? Oh, you only believe what you want to believe about your god Barry Sotoro. He is a ******* phony piece of shit. I have actually talked to the man personally on several occasions. Take it from me, I know.

If the evidence is so clear, why can't you point to a specific crime and present proof that it happened? It should be easy for you.

 

[BULLDOG]

Spying on a presidential campaign.

Worse than Watergate.

Credible evidence that Obama did that?

Tons of evidence is out....much posted all over this board.

Bwuhahaha

Violations of Constitution, Constitutional and civil rights, violations of Rule of Law....

Don't play 'stupid'....unless you really are.

Now we are getting somewhere. What specific crime did he commit, and what proof do you have that he committed it? This should be easy if you aren't just full of shit spouting vague accusations.

 

[Tom Zarek]

Spying on a presidential campaign.

Worse than Watergate.

Credible evidence that Obama did that?

wasnt there active investigations with the targets of the wiretaps people that trumps team called?

so it wasnt that trumps team was being wiretapped but they were contact those who were under investigation?

hardly the fbis fault if trumps team are contacting criminals right?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Trump's latest whine is about something he calls Obamagate. Despite being asked several times, he can't say what crimes he thinks Obama committed. I'm sure there are a lot of smart Trump supporters who can shed light on what Trump is talking about since Trump is incapable of doing that himself. I'm not asking for a list of everything you want to whine about. Just specifically what Obamagate is supposed to refer to, and what definable crime you think Obama committed to deserve gate to be added to his name. Also, show any evidence you might have that proves he committed any crimes you might mention.

How is it OK to spy on Americans especially under false pretenses?

Please present proof that Obama spied on Americans, and specifically which Americans did he spy on?

Ever hear of Michael Flynn?

In January 2017 the NY Times published an article proving that Flynn was spied upon and unmasked by Obama

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Spying on a presidential campaign.

Worse than Watergate.

Credible evidence that Obama did that?

wasnt there active investigations with the targets of the wiretaps people that trumps team called?

so it wasnt that trumps team was being wiretapped but they were contact those who were under investigation?

hardly the fbis fault if trumps team are contacting criminals right?

Kislak is a "Criminal? Really?

 

[BULLDOG]

Trump's latest whine is about something he calls Obamagate. Despite being asked several times, he can't say what crimes he thinks Obama committed. I'm sure there are a lot of smart Trump supporters who can shed light on what Trump is talking about since Trump is incapable of doing that himself. I'm not asking for a list of everything you want to whine about. Just specifically what Obamagate is supposed to refer to, and what definable crime you think Obama committed to deserve gate to be added to his name. Also, show any evidence you might have that proves he committed any crimes you might mention.

How is it OK to spy on Americans especially under false pretenses?

Please present proof that Obama spied on Americans, and specifically which Americans did he spy on?

Ever hear of Michael Flynn?

In January 2017 the NY Times published an article proving that Flynn was spied upon and unmasked by Obama

Link?

 

[LeftofLeft]

Spying on a presidential campaign.

Worse than Watergate.

Credible evidence that Obama did that?

He’s looking a lot like Nixon. Nixon was not a criminal but a lot of people around him doing his bidding were criminals. Obama did not learn from Nixon that you cannot let your anger and hatred of your enemies cloud your judgement.

I don’t know where and how you people think spying on an incoming President with government resources is ethical.

Do you have credible proof that Obama spied on Trump?

Did Nixon break into Watergate?

 

[SweetTea]

This all starts with Comey. He was a puppet and orchestrated the entire setup.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Spying on a presidential campaign.

Worse than Watergate.

Credible evidence that Obama did that?

He’s looking a lot like Nixon. Nixon was not a criminal but a lot of people around him doing his bidding were criminals. Obama did not learn from Nixon that you cannot let your anger and hatred of your enemies cloud your judgement.

I don’t know where and how you people think spying on an incoming President with government resources is ethical.

Do you have credible proof that Obama spied on Trump?

‘UnMask’

 

[BULLDOG]

Spying on a presidential campaign.

Worse than Watergate.

Credible evidence that Obama did that?

wasnt there active investigations with the targets of the wiretaps people that trumps team called?

so it wasnt that trumps team was being wiretapped but they were contact those who were under investigation?

hardly the fbis fault if trumps team are contacting criminals right?

Kislak is a "Criminal? Really?

Kislyack was the Russian Ambassador from Russia. Yes, we monitor all calls to or from from Russian politicians.

 

[BULLDOG]

Spying on a presidential campaign.

Worse than Watergate.

Credible evidence that Obama did that?

He’s looking a lot like Nixon. Nixon was not a criminal but a lot of people around him doing his bidding were criminals. Obama did not learn from Nixon that you cannot let your anger and hatred of your enemies cloud your judgement.

I don’t know where and how you people think spying on an incoming President with government resources is ethical.

Do you have credible proof that Obama spied on Trump?

‘UnMask’

What does that mean? Vague innuendo doesn't really mean much, does it?

 

[BULLDOG]

Spying on a presidential campaign.

Worse than Watergate.

Credible evidence that Obama did that?

He’s looking a lot like Nixon. Nixon was not a criminal but a lot of people around him doing his bidding were criminals. Obama did not learn from Nixon that you cannot let your anger and hatred of your enemies cloud your judgement.

I don’t know where and how you people think spying on an incoming President with government resources is ethical.

Do you have credible proof that Obama spied on Trump?

Did Nixon break into Watergate?

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but it was proven that Nixon ordered the Watergate break in. Do you have proof that Obama ordered the breaking of any law?

 

[Jitss617]

Trump's latest whine is about something he calls Obamagate. Despite being asked several times, he can't say what crimes he thinks Obama committed. I'm sure there are a lot of smart Trump supporters who can shed light on what Trump is talking about since Trump is incapable of doing that himself. I'm not asking for a list of everything you want to whine about. Just specifically what Obamagate is supposed to refer to, and what definable crime you think Obama committed to deserve gate to be added to his name. Also, show any evidence you might have that proves he committed any crimes you might mention.

It’s treason he attacked America.. His spying kicked off an attack on a sitting president, when the information was false. And he told comey to keep it going, it lead to 3 innocent men and many others having to spend millions on lawyers. He put America thru hell. He obstructed trumps 4 years. It’s treason .

 

[easyt65]

Now we are getting somewhere. What specific crime did he commit, and what proof do you have that he committed it? This should be easy if you aren't just full of shit spouting vague accusations.

1. CONSPIRACY:

DEFINITION:
A conspiracy occurs when two or more people agree to commit an illegal act and take some step toward its completion. Conspiracy is an inchoate crime because it does not require that the illegal act actually have been completed. For instance, a group of individuals can be convicted of conspiracy to commit burglary even if the actual burglary never happens. Conspiracy is also unique in that, unlike attempt, a defendant can be charged with both conspiracy to commit a crime, and the crime itself if the crime is completed.

Evidence / documents released shows:
- President Obama not only KNEW about the false Russian Collusion narrative but also DIRECTED / ORCHESTRATED the known use of FBI-assessed Russian Intelligence Service (RIS) propaganda to commit FISA Court abuses, to illegally spy on Americans, a political opposition Presidential candidate and his team, and a newly elected President.

- President Obama was aware of the illegal spying on General Flynn, a fact Sally Yates noted she was surprised by DURING A MEETING HELD IN THE OVAL OFFICE BY OBAMA, a meeting attended by no less than President Obama, VP Biden, Sally Yates, Brennan, Clapper, and Comey...a meeting that covered what was being done about / TO General Flynn.

- Former FBI Deputy Director Counter Intelligence Peter Strzok texted to former GBI Lawyer Page 1) President Obama insisted on beIng briefed / kept updated on everything the FBI was doing & 2) 'secret' meetings of conspirators were already being held.

- The former CIA Deputy Director was asked what the difference was between CIA Ops under Obama and Trump. The Deputy Director stated Obama was / is an extreme MINCO-MANAGER that had to be briefed on EVERYTHING, that he was in on EVERY decision, from what type of furniture they could purchase to who was investigated and how.

- Former NIA Director Clapper stated that he did not understand why all the investigations were being held on 'Obamagate', especially on what and how the Agency Directors did, adding 'WE ONLY DID WHAT WE WERE ORDERED TO DO.'

Released official documents hidden away until now, hand-written messages, texts, testimony - a wealth of evidence AS YOU ALREADY KNOW - HAS UNDENIABLY EXPOSED THE FACT THAT PRESIDENGT OBAMA AND VP BIDEN KNEW EVERYTHING....and NONE of all of this would have gone on without the knowledge, support, and / or direction of the President of the United States.
-- Again, he was in the meetings in HIS office. He KNEW about all of it.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Spying on a presidential campaign.

Worse than Watergate.

Credible evidence that Obama did that?

He’s looking a lot like Nixon. Nixon was not a criminal but a lot of people around him doing his bidding were criminals. Obama did not learn from Nixon that you cannot let your anger and hatred of your enemies cloud your judgement.

I don’t know where and how you people think spying on an incoming President with government resources is ethical.

Do you have credible proof that Obama spied on Trump?

Did Nixon break into Watergate?

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but it was proven that Nixon ordered the Watergate break in. Do you have proof that Obama ordered the breaking of any law?

It is proven that Nixon tried to prevent the FBI from investigating and providedhush money. When and where did he order the Break-in?? Where is your proof on that?

 

[LeftofLeft]

Spying on a presidential campaign.

Worse than Watergate.

Credible evidence that Obama did that?

He’s looking a lot like Nixon. Nixon was not a criminal but a lot of people around him doing his bidding were criminals. Obama did not learn from Nixon that you cannot let your anger and hatred of your enemies cloud your judgement.

I don’t know where and how you people think spying on an incoming President with government resources is ethical.

Nixon was a crook and got caught. Trump associates became subjects of investigation when they began communications with a foreign government, specifically Russia.

You people need to make damn sure that the next incoming Democrat Administration NOT have any conversation with foreign countries since the act gets your panties in such a bunch.

 

[easyt65]

Conspiracy, Obstruction, violation of Rule of Law, violations f the Constitution, Violations of Constitutional Rights, violations of Civil Rights - these and more make up just the TOP LAYER.

Dig Deeper:
Evidence shows undeniably Hillary and the DNC paid Fusion GPS for 'dirt' on Trump. Fusion GPS was paying an ex foreign spy working for the Russians, an ex spy who delivered to Hillary, the DNC, and the FBI what the FBI itself assessed to be RIS counter-intelligence propaganda being used at the time against US foreign policy.
- The FBI Knew it was Russian propaganda.
- The State Department knew Steele could not be trusted.
- The NIA . NSA, CIA, DOJ, & FBI were warned Steele could not be trusted
- STEELE said he had no idea if the information was valid
...and the Obama FBI, NIA, CIA, and DOJ used what they KNEW to be Russian propaganda as the basis for their false narrative to commit FISA Court abuses, illegally spy on Trump and his team, to open an official investigation that was not warranted - as Page testified the FBI already knew there was NO EVIDENCE of collusion....but based on the known Russian propaganda they started and continued a WITCH HUNT for YEARS.

DO YOU REALLY THINK IN AN ELECTION YEAR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WOULD ALLOW SUCH INVESTIGATIONS / ACTIONS BY HIS OWN CABINET AND AGENCY DIRECTORS WITHOUT KNOWING ABOUT IT, WITHPOUT KNOWING EVERY DETAIL OF WHAT WAS GOING ON? DO YOU?

To buy that you either have to believe Obama was - as Comey described Hillary - so f*ing stupid he had no clue what was going on in his own administration, without knowing what was going on inside his own agencies / agency directors, and his own personal hand-picked Cabinet.....OR HE KNEW EVERYTHING.

EVIDENCE keeps coming out proving he KNEW everything.

 

[easyt65]

Kislyack was the Russian Ambassador from Russia. Yes, we monitor all calls to or from from Russian politicians.

The FBI declared there to be nothing to the phone call.
- Obama himself admitted that every knew administration, after winning the election, begins making phone calls to other nations' reps to start the diplomatic processes early. Obama declared he and his team did the same thing in 2008.

They declared 'NO CRIME' and was about to shut down the investigation.

....then Stryzok stepped in.

Former FBI Director BRAGGED about setting Flynn up, declaring he did something he would never have done under any other administration - take advantage of the chaos of the 1st few days of the new administration coming in to completely violate protocols and the official step of notifying WH Legal Counsel the FBI was going to interview Flynn with the intent of catching Flynn with his guard down and without having legal Counsel present. COMEY ADMITTED IT WAS A SET-UP.

McCabe told Flynn there was no need for a lawyer, did not read him his rights, then proceeded in continuing to violate his Constitutional / Civil Rights.

Instead of the normal process fo FIELD AGENTS conducting interviews, Comey sent over several agents and the FBI's Deputy Director in charge of COUNTER INTELLIGENCE to entrap Flynn.

After it was over the field agnts stated they believed Flynn DID NOT LIE...unfortunately, lowly Field Agents did not get to make the call, just like they were not allowed to make the call to close the case due to a lack of evidence.
- The same criminal FBI bastard who ordered the Flynn investigation to remain open was the same criminal FBI bastard who overrode the FBI agents who stated Flynn did NOT lie, and Stryzok was the one who had him charged with lying to the FBI.

It was Stryzok's hand-written note that asked if the goal was to get him to confess to a crime or get him for lying to the FBI - a Perjury Trap,
--- It took blackmailing Flynn - threatening to put his son in prison to get him to agree to plead guilty. THAT is called a 'coerced plea', which is ILLEGSAL / not valid.

Obama and Biden KNEW EVERYTHING. Stryzok himself said so in his released texts.


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[berg80]

I'm sure there are a lot of smart Trump supporters who can shed light on what Trump is talking about since Trump is incapable of doing that himself.

That's one large can of worms you've opened up. It's going to allow Trumpletards to spew forth every lunatic conspiracy theory and completely unfounded, nonfactual allegation they've read about on every horseshit right wing website that's out there.

Good luck trying to get them to actually prove anything.

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

Conspiracy, Obstruction, violation of Rule of Law, violations f the Constitution, Violations of Constitutional Rights, violations of Civil Rights - these and more make up just the TOP LAYER.

Dig Deeper:
Evidence shows undeniably Hillary and the DNC paid Fusion GPS for 'dirt' on Trump. Fusion GPS was paying an ex foreign spy working for the Russians, an ex spy who delivered to Hillary, the DNC, and the FBI what the FBI itself assessed to be RIS counter-intelligence propaganda being used at the time against US foreign policy.
- The FBI Knew it was Russian propaganda.
- The State Department knew Steele could not be trusted.
- The NIA . NSA, CIA, DOJ, & FBI were warned Steele could not be trusted
- STEELE said he had no idea if the information was valid
...and the Obama FBI, NIA, CIA, and DOJ used what they KNEW to be Russian propaganda as the basis for their false narrative to commit FISA Court abuses, illegally spy on Trump and his team, to open an official investigation that was not warranted - as Page testified the FBI already knew there was NO EVIDENCE of collusion....but based on the known Russian propaganda they started and continued a WITCH HUNT for YEARS.

DO YOU REALLY THINK IN AN ELECTION YEAR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WOULD ALLOW SUCH INVESTIGATIONS / ACTIONS BY HIS OWN CABINET AND AGENCY DIRECTORS WITHOUT KNOWING ABOUT IT, WITHPOUT KNOWING EVERY DETAIL OF WHAT WAS GOING ON? DO YOU?

To buy that you either have to believe Obama was - as Comey described Hillary - so f*ing stupid he had no clue what was going on in his own administration, without knowing what was going on inside his own agencies / agency directors, and his own personal hand-picked Cabinet.....OR HE KNEW EVERYTHING.

EVIDENCE keeps coming out proving he KNEW everything.

Yes, i believe you covered the basics . Most corrupt administration ever. Obama is a fraud.