CrusaderFrank
Diamond Member
- May 20, 2009
- 160,103
- 86,530
- 2,645
Billy, you know Greenbeard gets paid to post here, right?
Obamacare train pulls safely into the station
- Thread starter Greenbeard
- Start date
billyerock1991
Gold Member
- Apr 24, 2012
- 7,106
- 506
- 140
so now dblack is a constitutional schollor he has decided who has failed at their job at a scotus ... you must have a hard road to hoe here ... dblack who has all this knowledge of the constitution ... why aren't you up for the supreme court next nomination with your vast knowledge of constitutional law you missed your calling here ... really you want to compare reality TV to the SCOTUS ... like we're going take you serious now...
Last edited:
Stephanie
Diamond Member
- Jul 11, 2004
- 70,230
- 10,868
- 2,040
oh really, NO ONE gets to take a free ride? then what about the people who are being, subsidized?
Auto insurance is required by a STATE...this fascist OscamCare is the Federal Government FORCING the people to buy something or get fined, which ISNT their job...Our country isn't run on MOB RULES..though some of you would love that
Last edited:
MeBelle
MeBelle 4 Prez 2028
- Jul 16, 2011
- 21,198
- 11,024
- 1,245
billyerock1991
Gold Member
- Apr 24, 2012
- 7,106
- 506
- 140
give it up you tried to blame romney and not the republicans ... now you're back pedaling ... we get it ... it.s what you republican do when exposed ... now you're trying to point blame ???
PRICELESS ... just ******* PRICELESS ....
billyerock1991
Gold Member
- Apr 24, 2012
- 7,106
- 506
- 140
if you say so ....I personally am not to familiar with greenbeards post ... I've seen him here, read them, every now and then ... I know Antares is he slipped up in one of his rants one after noon ... I caught him ...whats your source that greenbeard is a paid poster ... I personally don't take paid posters serious ... if he is, then I won't take him serious.. I don't care if they are republican or a Dem paid poster I won't take them serious ... they are doing their job, distort the reality here... I for one won't stand for it...
Last edited:
billyerock1991
Gold Member
- Apr 24, 2012
- 7,106
- 506
- 140
you caught that too
billyerock1991
Gold Member
- Apr 24, 2012
- 7,106
- 506
- 140
nobody Is being "FOCING" your word not mine ... and nobody is being fined... nobody has to get health care ... but if you want to be part of a civilized society you pay taxes ... are you saying you don't want to be part of a civilize society here stephoney??? is that what you want
billyerock1991
Gold Member
- Apr 24, 2012
- 7,106
- 506
- 140
coming from a liberals/dem here, are you a paid poster ??? you have been accused of being a paid poster ... if you are you should leave we don't need paid poster clouding up the issues ... I realize when people see a person who is intelligent they assume they are paid posters ...
your post seem informative well organized I can see why some might call you a paid poster ... you're hurting the cause more if you are ... let people do their own research to find out what the truth really is ... thats only if you are a paid poster other wise NEVER MIND...
Last edited:
Keen observers you two
Last edited:
- Banned
- #111
if you say so ....I personally am not to familiar with greenbeards post ... I've seen him here, read them, every now and then ... I know Antares is he slipped up in one of his rants one after noon ... I caught him ...whats your source that greenbeard is a paid poster ... I personally don't take paid posters serious ... if he is, then I won't take him serious.. I don't care if they are republican or a Dem paid poster I won't take them serious ... they are doing their job, distort the reality here... I for one won't stand for it...
LOL Billie you are a moron plain and simple.
- Banned
- #112
You have a screw loose kid.
The BCBS company I work for is a non-profit company, you understand what that means?
I am seriously beginning to think you are an order of fries short of a Happy Meal.
I have no doubt you are happy with your subsidy, its obvious you've been on some sort of Government Assistance your entire life.
Last edited:
Wry Catcher
Diamond Member
- Banned
- #113
Early? LOL, the anti Obama crowd said the PPACA was DOA.
LoneLaugher
Diamond Member
How many per day?
For every day that the ACA does not result in the ruin of the economy and the destruction of our health care delivery system....how many Americans will realize that the GOP has been serving them a pile of shit?
For every day that the ACA does not result in the ruin of the economy and the destruction of our health care delivery system....how many Americans will realize that the GOP has been serving them a pile of shit?
Last edited:
- Banned
- #115
And in November when the shit hits the fan and all you have left is Obama, what then?
LoneLaugher
Diamond Member
As if it will make a difference. It is hard to imagine a scenario where things are made more difficult for the Obama administration than they have been for the past 4 years. What is the GOP gonna do? Have negative level of support instead of zero level of support?
You are making predictions here based on wishful thinking. Haven't you learned from the past?
boedicca
Uppity Water Nymph from the Land of Funk
- Feb 12, 2007
- 59,734
- 24,709
- 2,290
The ObamaCare "Train" is heading towards a fiscal trainwreck. Spending will spin out of control and there won't be enough premiums and tax receipts to cover it.
Hopenchange!
Earlier this month there was tremendous press attention to new data indicating that enrollment in the Affordable Care Act (ACA)Â’s health insurance exchanges had surpassed 7 million. The White House took a victory lap while much of the press, desperate to write something positive after months of reporting on website glitches and insurance plan cancellations, characterized the milestone as good political news for ACA supporters. Our national discussion, however, is missing the truly significant story here; what is unfolding before our eyes is a colossal fiscal disaster, poised to haunt legislators and taxpayers for decades to come.
It is quite possible that the ACA is shaping up as the greatest act of fiscal irresponsibility ever committed by federal legislators. Nothing immediately comes to mind as comparable to it. Certainly no tax legislation is, because tax rates rise and fall frequently, such that one CongressÂ’s tax cut can be (and often is) undone by a later tax increase. The same is true for legislation affecting appropriated spending programs. But the ACA is a commitment to permanently subsidize comprehensive health insurance for millions who could not otherwise afford it, which the federal government has no viable plan to finance. Moreover, experience shows that it is very difficult to scale back such spending once large numbers of Americans have been made dependent on it.
LetÂ’s walk through the salient features of this unfolding fiscal disaster:
An Expansion of Spending Commitments Comparable to Enacting Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid: Our biggest fiscal problems today stem from Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security costs rising well beyond original projections. The ACA was enacted even though these longstanding financing challenges have still not been met, and represents an additional expansion of federal commitments comparable to these other programsÂ’ creations. CBO now estimates that the gross costs of the ACAÂ’s coverage expansion will be $92 billion in FY2015, or about 0.5% of our total GDP of roughly $18 trillion. This far exceeds, even relative to todayÂ’s larger economy, the initial costs associated with the entirety of Social Security and Medicaid, and is comparable to the startup costs for all original parts of Medicare combined. Consider this: just five years after enactment the ACA will absorb more of our total economic output than Social Security did fully sixteen years after it was enacted.
(snip)
EXPERT COMMENTARY
The Unfolding Fiscal Disaster Behind ACA Enrollment Figures
By Charles Blahous |
Apr 17, 2014
Earlier this month there was tremendous press attention to new data indicating that enrollment in the Affordable Care Act (ACA)Â’s health insurance exchanges had surpassed 7 million. The White House took a victory lap while much of the press, desperate to write something positive after months of reporting on website glitches and insurance plan cancellations, characterized the milestone as good political news for ACA supporters. Our national discussion, however, is missing the truly significant story here; what is unfolding before our eyes is a colossal fiscal disaster, poised to haunt legislators and taxpayers for decades to come.
It is quite possible that the ACA is shaping up as the greatest act of fiscal irresponsibility ever committed by federal legislators. Nothing immediately comes to mind as comparable to it. Certainly no tax legislation is, because tax rates rise and fall frequently, such that one CongressÂ’s tax cut can be (and often is) undone by a later tax increase. The same is true for legislation affecting appropriated spending programs. But the ACA is a commitment to permanently subsidize comprehensive health insurance for millions who could not otherwise afford it, which the federal government has no viable plan to finance. Moreover, experience shows that it is very difficult to scale back such spending once large numbers of Americans have been made dependent on it.
LetÂ’s walk through the salient features of this unfolding fiscal disaster:
An Expansion of Spending Commitments Comparable to Enacting Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid: Our biggest fiscal problems today stem from Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security costs rising well beyond original projections. The ACA was enacted even though these longstanding financing challenges have still not been met, and represents an additional expansion of federal commitments comparable to these other programsÂ’ creations. CBO now estimates that the gross costs of the ACAÂ’s coverage expansion will be $92 billion in FY2015, or about 0.5% of our total GDP of roughly $18 trillion. This far exceeds, even relative to todayÂ’s larger economy, the initial costs associated with the entirety of Social Security and Medicaid, and is comparable to the startup costs for all original parts of Medicare combined. Consider this: just five years after enactment the ACA will absorb more of our total economic output than Social Security did fully sixteen years after it was enacted.
Of course, after these initial rollouts, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid costs grew far faster than originally envisioned, sometimes due to subsequent legislation, sometimes due to unanticipated healthcare cost growth. It wouldnÂ’t be surprising for either factor to affect the ACA, which would be even more problematic for reasons given below.
A Worse Fiscal Environment: The ACA was enacted when legislators knew, or should have known, that they inhabited a fiscal environment in which such extravagance was unaffordable. Deficits (and debt) are far higher today than when the other major entitlement programs were created; millions of baby boomer retirements are swelling expenditures arising from previously-enacted Social Security and Medicare law. Someday historians will puzzle over the thinking that induced legislators to embark on a vast new spending program at the very moment it could least be afforded.
Unraveling Finances: Where will the money come from to finance the ACAÂ’s health exchange subsidies and Medicaid expansion? No one knows. We do know that the ACAÂ’s financing mechanisms are already falling apart. The ACAÂ’s much-reported website glitches and enrollment shortfalls had actually suggested an upside; if enrollment continued to fall short of previous projections, it was possible that some of the fiscal damage could be contained. But if enrollment has picked up as the lawÂ’s financing mechanisms disintegrate, the fiscal damage will be worse than anticipated. Consider the following:
CLASS: The ACA’s “CLASS” long-term care provisions were originally projected to generate $37 billion in net premiums through 2015 ($86 billion over ten years). CLASS was later suspended due to its long-term financial unworkability, meaning these revenues have not materialized and will not.
Employer/individual mandate penalties: These were supposed to have brought in $12 billion through 2015, $101 billion over the first ten years. Because the Obama Administration has repeatedly delayed their enforcement, to date they havenÂ’t brought in much of anything. Some ACA advocates are even beginning to downplay the significance of possibly ditching these mandates altogether, though they were central to the lawÂ’s financing scheme.
Medicare Advantage: The ACA was supposed to be financed in part by cuts to Medicare Advantage (MA) totaling $31 billion through FY2015, $128 billion over the first ten years. The White House recently announced that planned MA cuts will not go into effect after all.
Other controversial provisions: The ACA’s most controversial savings provisions – among them its ambitious Medicare provider payment reductions, the tax on so-called “Cadillac” health plans, and cost-saving decisions of the Independent Payment Advisory Board– have yet to be tested. Given that less-controversial provisions have failed to meet their savings targets, there is little basis for confidence that these more controversial ones will do so.
The Unfolding Fiscal Disaster Behind ACA Enrollment Figures | Mercatus
Hopenchange!
Earlier this month there was tremendous press attention to new data indicating that enrollment in the Affordable Care Act (ACA)Â’s health insurance exchanges had surpassed 7 million. The White House took a victory lap while much of the press, desperate to write something positive after months of reporting on website glitches and insurance plan cancellations, characterized the milestone as good political news for ACA supporters. Our national discussion, however, is missing the truly significant story here; what is unfolding before our eyes is a colossal fiscal disaster, poised to haunt legislators and taxpayers for decades to come.
It is quite possible that the ACA is shaping up as the greatest act of fiscal irresponsibility ever committed by federal legislators. Nothing immediately comes to mind as comparable to it. Certainly no tax legislation is, because tax rates rise and fall frequently, such that one CongressÂ’s tax cut can be (and often is) undone by a later tax increase. The same is true for legislation affecting appropriated spending programs. But the ACA is a commitment to permanently subsidize comprehensive health insurance for millions who could not otherwise afford it, which the federal government has no viable plan to finance. Moreover, experience shows that it is very difficult to scale back such spending once large numbers of Americans have been made dependent on it.
LetÂ’s walk through the salient features of this unfolding fiscal disaster:
An Expansion of Spending Commitments Comparable to Enacting Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid: Our biggest fiscal problems today stem from Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security costs rising well beyond original projections. The ACA was enacted even though these longstanding financing challenges have still not been met, and represents an additional expansion of federal commitments comparable to these other programsÂ’ creations. CBO now estimates that the gross costs of the ACAÂ’s coverage expansion will be $92 billion in FY2015, or about 0.5% of our total GDP of roughly $18 trillion. This far exceeds, even relative to todayÂ’s larger economy, the initial costs associated with the entirety of Social Security and Medicaid, and is comparable to the startup costs for all original parts of Medicare combined. Consider this: just five years after enactment the ACA will absorb more of our total economic output than Social Security did fully sixteen years after it was enacted.
(snip)
EXPERT COMMENTARY
The Unfolding Fiscal Disaster Behind ACA Enrollment Figures
By Charles Blahous |
Apr 17, 2014
Earlier this month there was tremendous press attention to new data indicating that enrollment in the Affordable Care Act (ACA)Â’s health insurance exchanges had surpassed 7 million. The White House took a victory lap while much of the press, desperate to write something positive after months of reporting on website glitches and insurance plan cancellations, characterized the milestone as good political news for ACA supporters. Our national discussion, however, is missing the truly significant story here; what is unfolding before our eyes is a colossal fiscal disaster, poised to haunt legislators and taxpayers for decades to come.
It is quite possible that the ACA is shaping up as the greatest act of fiscal irresponsibility ever committed by federal legislators. Nothing immediately comes to mind as comparable to it. Certainly no tax legislation is, because tax rates rise and fall frequently, such that one CongressÂ’s tax cut can be (and often is) undone by a later tax increase. The same is true for legislation affecting appropriated spending programs. But the ACA is a commitment to permanently subsidize comprehensive health insurance for millions who could not otherwise afford it, which the federal government has no viable plan to finance. Moreover, experience shows that it is very difficult to scale back such spending once large numbers of Americans have been made dependent on it.
LetÂ’s walk through the salient features of this unfolding fiscal disaster:
An Expansion of Spending Commitments Comparable to Enacting Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid: Our biggest fiscal problems today stem from Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security costs rising well beyond original projections. The ACA was enacted even though these longstanding financing challenges have still not been met, and represents an additional expansion of federal commitments comparable to these other programsÂ’ creations. CBO now estimates that the gross costs of the ACAÂ’s coverage expansion will be $92 billion in FY2015, or about 0.5% of our total GDP of roughly $18 trillion. This far exceeds, even relative to todayÂ’s larger economy, the initial costs associated with the entirety of Social Security and Medicaid, and is comparable to the startup costs for all original parts of Medicare combined. Consider this: just five years after enactment the ACA will absorb more of our total economic output than Social Security did fully sixteen years after it was enacted.
Of course, after these initial rollouts, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid costs grew far faster than originally envisioned, sometimes due to subsequent legislation, sometimes due to unanticipated healthcare cost growth. It wouldnÂ’t be surprising for either factor to affect the ACA, which would be even more problematic for reasons given below.
A Worse Fiscal Environment: The ACA was enacted when legislators knew, or should have known, that they inhabited a fiscal environment in which such extravagance was unaffordable. Deficits (and debt) are far higher today than when the other major entitlement programs were created; millions of baby boomer retirements are swelling expenditures arising from previously-enacted Social Security and Medicare law. Someday historians will puzzle over the thinking that induced legislators to embark on a vast new spending program at the very moment it could least be afforded.
Unraveling Finances: Where will the money come from to finance the ACAÂ’s health exchange subsidies and Medicaid expansion? No one knows. We do know that the ACAÂ’s financing mechanisms are already falling apart. The ACAÂ’s much-reported website glitches and enrollment shortfalls had actually suggested an upside; if enrollment continued to fall short of previous projections, it was possible that some of the fiscal damage could be contained. But if enrollment has picked up as the lawÂ’s financing mechanisms disintegrate, the fiscal damage will be worse than anticipated. Consider the following:
CLASS: The ACA’s “CLASS” long-term care provisions were originally projected to generate $37 billion in net premiums through 2015 ($86 billion over ten years). CLASS was later suspended due to its long-term financial unworkability, meaning these revenues have not materialized and will not.
Employer/individual mandate penalties: These were supposed to have brought in $12 billion through 2015, $101 billion over the first ten years. Because the Obama Administration has repeatedly delayed their enforcement, to date they havenÂ’t brought in much of anything. Some ACA advocates are even beginning to downplay the significance of possibly ditching these mandates altogether, though they were central to the lawÂ’s financing scheme.
Medicare Advantage: The ACA was supposed to be financed in part by cuts to Medicare Advantage (MA) totaling $31 billion through FY2015, $128 billion over the first ten years. The White House recently announced that planned MA cuts will not go into effect after all.
Other controversial provisions: The ACA’s most controversial savings provisions – among them its ambitious Medicare provider payment reductions, the tax on so-called “Cadillac” health plans, and cost-saving decisions of the Independent Payment Advisory Board– have yet to be tested. Given that less-controversial provisions have failed to meet their savings targets, there is little basis for confidence that these more controversial ones will do so.
The Unfolding Fiscal Disaster Behind ACA Enrollment Figures | Mercatus
- Banned
- #118
I am making a prediction based on my contact with the public 5 days a week concerning this issue.
You do realize that in 2010 American's VOTED to stop Obama's agenda?
The House is a duly elected body doing what we sent them there to do.
Last edited:
Wry Catcher
Diamond Member
- Banned
- #120
You're much like the preacher who predicts the end of the world, then when the sun rises he is not one bit shaken in his faith, and claims the world will end in November.
What will doomsayers like you do, if by November the sun rises, more and more citizens flood a now working data base and sign up in droves during the next open enrollment period? Don't answer, you'll demand the President's birth certificate, of course.
Similar threads
- Locked
New Topics
-
Deep Red Maryland county angry over ICE detention center- Started by JimH52
- Replies: 1
-
-
Iranian Warship Surrenders to Sri Lankans, First Time Ship Interned By Neutral Nation Since Second World War- Started by Doc7505
- Replies: 1
-
Virginia Going Full Mao - Force Schools to Teach J6 Was an Insurrection with no Reference to 'Peaceful Protest'- Started by excalibur
- Replies: 15
-
U.N. condemnation of Iran's bloodlust and international aggression? If not now, when?- Started by JBG
- Replies: 3
