Obamacare train pulls safely into the station

[C_Clayton_Jones]

it is a require for all to sign up ... if you don't sign up you are taxed

mandate
an authoritative command; especially : a formal order from a superior court or official to an inferior one
2
: an authorization to act given to a representative <accepted the mandate of the people>
3
a : an order or commission granted by the League of Nations to a member nation for the establishment of a responsible government over a former German colony or other conquered territory


well it doesn't seem to fit you Idea of what a mandate is ... try again!!!

P.S. a tax isn't a fine its a tax ... a tax is what a civilize society relies on to exist ...

yeah

like is said

just because someone is mandated to do something

does not mean they are happy about it

nobody has been mandated ...

Correct.

No one is ‘mandated’ to have health insurance, citizens are at liberty to go without health insurance coverage if they so desire.

And the fees they would pay for not having insurance are both appropriate and Constitutional:

Congress’s use of the Taxing Clause to encourage buying something is[…]not new. Tax incentives already promote, for example, purchasing homes and professional educations. See 26 U. S. C. §§163(h), 25A.

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS v. SEBELIUS, SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, | LII / Legal Information Institute

Consequently, the notion of a ‘mandate’ is a rightist contrivance and lie, as is the lie that there has been a ‘loss of individual liberty,’ when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[Antares]

yeah

like is said

just because someone is mandated to do something

does not mean they are happy about it

nobody has been mandated ...

Correct.

No one is ‘mandated’ to have health insurance, citizens are at liberty to go without health insurance coverage if they so desire.

And the fees they would pay for not having insurance are both appropriate and Constitutional:

Congress’s use of the Taxing Clause to encourage buying something is[…]not new. Tax incentives already promote, for example, purchasing homes and professional educations. See 26 U. S. C. §§163(h), 25A.

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS v. SEBELIUS, SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, | LII / Legal Information Institute

Consequently, the notion of a ‘mandate’ is a rightist contrivance and lie, as is the lie that there has been a ‘loss of individual liberty,’ when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

LOL....uh wow.

Parse, spin and lie much?

I already have shown that both the Administration Lawyers AND the SC Justices disagree you nutters on that point.

 

[dblack]

yeah

like is said

just because someone is mandated to do something

does not mean they are happy about it

nobody has been mandated ...

Correct.

No one is ‘mandated’ to have health insurance, citizens are at liberty to go without health insurance coverage if they so desire.

A really stunning display of deliberate delusion. By this tortured "reasoning", no laws are coercive; we're always "free" to defy them and suffer the consequences. You should be ashamed spinning such bullshit.

 

[bluesman]

nobody has been mandated ...

Correct.

No one is ‘mandated’ to have health insurance, citizens are at liberty to go without health insurance coverage if they so desire.

A really stunning display of deliberate delusion. By this tortured "reasoning", no laws are coercive; we're always "free" to defy them and suffer the consequences. You should be ashamed spinning such bullshit.

There is a mandate. Just like there is a mandate to have car insurance. People do not "opt out" of receiving coverage once they get sick. The mandate means that nobody gets to take a free ride. Citizens had the liberty to vote for Romney; he made it clear that he would do away with any mandate. However, the people voted for the guy who said he would get the ACA passed. That is how democracy works. Obama was elected. Congress passed the law. Obama signed it. For the time being it is the law.

 

[dblack]

Correct.

No one is ‘mandated’ to have health insurance, citizens are at liberty to go without health insurance coverage if they so desire.

A really stunning display of deliberate delusion. By this tortured "reasoning", no laws are coercive; we're always "free" to defy them and suffer the consequences. You should be ashamed spinning such bullshit.

There is a mandate. Just like there is a mandate to have car insurance. People do not "opt out" of receiving coverage once they get sick. The mandate means that nobody gets to take a free ride. Citizens had the liberty to vote for Romney; he made it clear that he would do away with any mandate. However, the people voted for the guy who said he would get the ACA passed. That is how democracy works. Obama was elected. Congress passed the law. Obama signed it. For the time being it is the law.

It's not how constitutionally limited government is supposed to work. And Romney offered exactly no credible alternative - he was the Republican least likely to reverse the mandate.

The ACA was a rigged game from the very beginning - crass power grab. Every single idiot supporting it has betrayed the fundamental values of liberal democracy.

 

[bluesman]

A really stunning display of deliberate delusion. By this tortured "reasoning", no laws are coercive; we're always "free" to defy them and suffer the consequences. You should be ashamed spinning such bullshit.

There is a mandate. Just like there is a mandate to have car insurance. People do not "opt out" of receiving coverage once they get sick. The mandate means that nobody gets to take a free ride. Citizens had the liberty to vote for Romney; he made it clear that he would do away with any mandate. However, the people voted for the guy who said he would get the ACA passed. That is how democracy works. Obama was elected. Congress passed the law. Obama signed it. For the time being it is the law.

It's not how constitutionally limited government is supposed to work. And Romney offered exactly no credible alternative - he was the Republican least likely to reverse the mandate.

The ACA was a rigged game from the very beginning - crass power grab. Every single idiot supporting it has betrayed the fundamental values of liberal democracy.

"Constitutionally limited government"? That sounds like something off of a right wing radio program. The ACA was challenged in court and the Supreme court is the one who has the final answer on constitutional questions. It sounds to me like you are saying that the people of the United States are prohibited from voting for what they want. Obama didn't "grab" power. He was elected. Congress passed the law. All Obama did was sign it.

 

[dblack]

There is a mandate. Just like there is a mandate to have car insurance. People do not "opt out" of receiving coverage once they get sick. The mandate means that nobody gets to take a free ride. Citizens had the liberty to vote for Romney; he made it clear that he would do away with any mandate. However, the people voted for the guy who said he would get the ACA passed. That is how democracy works. Obama was elected. Congress passed the law. Obama signed it. For the time being it is the law.

It's not how constitutionally limited government is supposed to work. And Romney offered exactly no credible alternative - he was the Republican least likely to reverse the mandate.

The ACA was a rigged game from the very beginning - crass power grab. Every single idiot supporting it has betrayed the fundamental values of liberal democracy.

"Constitutionally limited government"? That sounds like something off of a right wing radio program. The ACA was challenged in court and the Supreme court is the one who has the final answer on constitutional questions. It sounds to me like you are saying that the people of the United States are prohibited from voting for what they want. Obama didn't "grab" power. He was elected. Congress passed the law. All Obama did was sign it.

They can vote for whatever they want. But when what they want violates the Constitution, they can't have it. The system only works, however, when the Court does its job.

 

[bluesman]

It's not how constitutionally limited government is supposed to work. And Romney offered exactly no credible alternative - he was the Republican least likely to reverse the mandate.

The ACA was a rigged game from the very beginning - crass power grab. Every single idiot supporting it has betrayed the fundamental values of liberal democracy.

"Constitutionally limited government"? That sounds like something off of a right wing radio program. The ACA was challenged in court and the Supreme court is the one who has the final answer on constitutional questions. It sounds to me like you are saying that the people of the United States are prohibited from voting for what they want. Obama didn't "grab" power. He was elected. Congress passed the law. All Obama did was sign it.

They can vote for whatever they want. But when what they want violates the Constitution, they can't have it. The system only works, however, when the Court does its job.

Just because you disagree with the ruling, it isn't fair to say that the court didn't do its job. Congress passed the law and congress has the right to levy taxes. John Roberts was the swing vote and he said it wasn't his place to protect the people from themselves. From my own perspective, I prefer that everyone pays for health insurance. I have always paid for mine and I don't like the idea of mooches taking a free ride. They claim they want to opt out but nobody really opts out. If someone decides to "opt out" and then gets in a car wreck, they are still going to end up at the emergency room and receive treatment until they are fit to leave the hospital. The cost for that is absorbed by the people who do have insurance. I was surprised that Obamacare was passed but I have no problem with it. If we as a country have the resources to spend trillions overseas, then we should have the resources to make sure that all Americans have certain basic needs met.

 

[dblack]

"Constitutionally limited government"? That sounds like something off of a right wing radio program. The ACA was challenged in court and the Supreme court is the one who has the final answer on constitutional questions. It sounds to me like you are saying that the people of the United States are prohibited from voting for what they want. Obama didn't "grab" power. He was elected. Congress passed the law. All Obama did was sign it.

They can vote for whatever they want. But when what they want violates the Constitution, they can't have it. The system only works, however, when the Court does its job.

Just because you disagree with the ruling, it isn't fair to say that the court didn't do its job. Congress passed the law and congress has the right to levy taxes. John Roberts was the swing vote and he said it wasn't his place to protect the people from themselves.

It is, in fact, his job to protect the people from themselves. In a democracy, the entire point of a constitution is to 'protect the people from themselves'. Roberts failed to recognize that.

The relevant question of ACA wasn't whether Congress has the power to levy taxes, it was whether they have the power to use discriminatory taxation to conduct social engineering. Doing so is a blatant violation of the equal protection provisions of the 14th amendment. By signing off on this practice, Roberts has authorized Congress to do dictate virtually any behavior, with only the dwindling protections of the Bill of Rights remaining.

From my own perspective, I prefer that everyone pays for health insurance.

From my perspective, I prefer that everyone stop watching reality TV. But I shouldn't be allowed to force my preferences on the rest of the nation, even if I can get half of Congress to agree.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Scalia to students on high taxes: At a certain point, &#8216;perhaps you should revolt&#8217;

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia told a group of law students that it might be a good idea to revolt if taxes become too high in the future.
While speaking at the University of Tennessee College of Law on Tuesday, Justice Scalia was asked by a student about his interpretation of the constitutionality of the income tax, the Knoxville News Sentinel reported

The longest-serving justice currently on the bench answered the student by saying that the government has the constitutional right to implement the tax, &#8220;but if it reaches a certain point, perhaps you should revolt.&#8221;
Justice Scalia continued to tell the students that they have every right to express criticism of the government.
&#8220;You&#8217;re entitled to criticize the government, and you can use words, you can use symbols, you can use telegraph, you can use Morse code, you can burn a flag,&#8221; he said, according to the News Sentinel.
The Justice was invited to deliver the annual &#8220;Rose Lecture&#8221; and the Tennessee law school. He discussed pivotal events in his time in the Supreme Court including the decision in 1989 to rule that flag-burning was constitutionally protected speech.


Scalia to students on high taxes: At a certain point, 'perhaps you should revolt' - Washington Times

 

[Flopper]

Correct.

No one is &#8216;mandated&#8217; to have health insurance, citizens are at liberty to go without health insurance coverage if they so desire.

A really stunning display of deliberate delusion. By this tortured "reasoning", no laws are coercive; we're always "free" to defy them and suffer the consequences. You should be ashamed spinning such bullshit.

There is a mandate. Just like there is a mandate to have car insurance. People do not "opt out" of receiving coverage once they get sick. The mandate means that nobody gets to take a free ride. Citizens had the liberty to vote for Romney; he made it clear that he would do away with any mandate. However, the people voted for the guy who said he would get the ACA passed. That is how democracy works. Obama was elected. Congress passed the law. Obama signed it. For the time being it is the law.

There is only two ways to have universal coverage, a government insurance program which covers everyone or private insurance that is mandated. Conservatives should see the mandate as the lesser of two evils. As in the past, most people will continue to get their health insurance and their healthcare from non-government sources.

 

[billyerock1991]

man·date noun \&#712;man-&#716;d&#257;t\

: an official order to do something



Mandate - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Poor stupid Billie Boi.

poor stupid Antares can't separate the Idea of being told to do something and pay a tax ...well, what do you expect from a retarded paid poster ... poor poor little antares his head must hurt for trying to figure out whats what, and failing at it

The high court rejected the argument, advanced by the Obama administration, that the individual mandate is constitutional under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. Before Thursday, the court for decades had said it gave Congress latitude to enact economic legislation.

Supreme Court upholds Obama?s health-care law - The Washington Post

The Administration Lawyers and SC Justices disagree with you hillbilly.

poor stupid Antares can't separate the Idea of being told to do something and pay a tax ...well, what do you expect from a retarded paid poster ... poor poor little antares his head must hurt for trying to figure out whats what, and failing at it .. Paid poster

 

[billyerock1991]

yeah

like is said

just because someone is mandated to do something

does not mean they are happy about it

nobody has been mandated ...

Correct.

No one is ‘mandated’ to have health insurance, citizens are at liberty to go without health insurance coverage if they so desire.

And the fees (BR) correction taxes, they would pay for not having insurance are both appropriate and Constitutional:

Congress’s use of the Taxing Clause to encourage buying something is[…]not new. Tax incentives already promote, for example, purchasing homes and professional educations. See 26 U. S. C. §§163(h), 25A.

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS v. SEBELIUS, SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, | LII / Legal Information Institute

Consequently, the notion of a ‘mandate’ is a rightist contrivance and lie, as is the lie that there has been a ‘loss of individual liberty,’ when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

hey C_Clayton_Jones how correct are you ... very correct

hey Antares do you get it now ??? or are you going to tell us more of your deception of misinformation, that you are paid to do ...

 

[billyerock1991]

Yes, yes. Black is white, ignorance is strength, etc...

you do realize that nobody takes a paid poster serious don't you ... I've told you this before .... seems you're a little slow in the head catching on ... well that's expected when you're a repub-lie-tard ... what ever you have to say is worthless to me ... paid poster ...

Poor hillbilly, you seem to be quite full of yourself...with no apparent reason to be.

Why would your opinion matter to anyone but you?

Where you fail is that you never post anything BUT your opinion and when asked for sources to back up your claim, you simply shrug and claim you have no need to post ANY sources at all.

You fail kid, but then you are used to that.

translation=antares is pissed because he has been expost as a political hack for the right wing nut jobs of this country... he actually think he has valuer here ... antares nobody like a political liar like you, and that's what you are ... you lie for money ... you get paid to post your pack of lies here from Blue cross Blue shield ...the company you work for... they don't like obama care ...because they can no longer rape the American people of their health care any more ... you are paid to lie here, you paid poster piece of crap ... I've exposed you for what you are and you can't stand that... so you don't need to pity me ... I'm just doing fine with my obama care and my subsidy and pissing your kind off to the max ....

BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[billyerock1991]

nobody has been mandated ...

Correct.

No one is &#8216;mandated&#8217; to have health insurance, citizens are at liberty to go without health insurance coverage if they so desire.

A really stunning display of deliberate delusion. By this tortured "reasoning", no laws are coercive; we're always "free" to defy them and suffer the consequences. You should be ashamed spinning such bullshit.

ah!!!!!! poor poor pitiful dblack, hates it when your wrong huh ... just because C_Clayton_Jones pointed out that it not a mandate that it is a tax and don't have to buy it ... you can't stand the fact that he's right ... you then come out with the typical right wing nut job ploy hey lets try to shame them ...well it looks like you didn't cut that ploy either ...

 

[billyerock1991]

A really stunning display of deliberate delusion. By this tortured "reasoning", no laws are coercive; we're always "free" to defy them and suffer the consequences. You should be ashamed spinning such bullshit.

There is a mandate. Just like there is a mandate to have car insurance. People do not "opt out" of receiving coverage once they get sick. The mandate means that nobody gets to take a free ride. Citizens had the liberty to vote for Romney; he made it clear that he would do away with any mandate. However, the people voted for the guy who said he would get the ACA passed. That is how democracy works. Obama was elected. Congress passed the law. Obama signed it. For the time being it is the law.

It's not how constitutionally limited government is supposed to work. And Romney offered exactly no credible alternative - he was the Republican least likely to reverse the mandate.

The ACA was a rigged game from the very beginning - crass power grab. Every single idiot supporting it has betrayed the fundamental values of liberal democracy.

so many things to correct so little time... and you want us to believe that Romney offered exactly no credible alternative ??? really you want to go with that stupidity???? how long have we heard from this president saying to the republican party from the get go before he was elected ... and not one republican came up with any health care plan... no one of them ... and you want to blame Romney really ... how about blaming the whole republican do nothing party .. for once in your miserable life

 

[dblack]

There is a mandate. Just like there is a mandate to have car insurance. People do not "opt out" of receiving coverage once they get sick. The mandate means that nobody gets to take a free ride. Citizens had the liberty to vote for Romney; he made it clear that he would do away with any mandate. However, the people voted for the guy who said he would get the ACA passed. That is how democracy works. Obama was elected. Congress passed the law. Obama signed it. For the time being it is the law.

It's not how constitutionally limited government is supposed to work. And Romney offered exactly no credible alternative - he was the Republican least likely to reverse the mandate.

The ACA was a rigged game from the very beginning - crass power grab. Every single idiot supporting it has betrayed the fundamental values of liberal democracy.

so many things to correct so little time... and you want us to believe that Romney offered exactly no credible alternative ??? really you want to go with that stupidity???? how long have we heard from this president saying to the republican party from the get go be fore he was elected ... and not one republican came up with any health care plan... no one of them ... and you want to blame Romney really ... how about blaming the whole republican do nothing party .. for once in your miserable life

I guess you don't even read my posts on here. I DO blame the whole Republican party, dumbass. They're almost as much to blame for ACA as Obama and the Democrats.

 

[billyerock1991]

There is a mandate. Just like there is a mandate to have car insurance. People do not "opt out" of receiving coverage once they get sick. The mandate means that nobody gets to take a free ride. Citizens had the liberty to vote for Romney; he made it clear that he would do away with any mandate. However, the people voted for the guy who said he would get the ACA passed. That is how democracy works. Obama was elected. Congress passed the law. Obama signed it. For the time being it is the law.

It's not how constitutionally limited government is supposed to work. And Romney offered exactly no credible alternative - he was the Republican least likely to reverse the mandate.

The ACA was a rigged game from the very beginning - crass power grab. Every single idiot supporting it has betrayed the fundamental values of liberal democracy.

"Constitutionally limited government"? That sounds like something off of a right wing radio program. The ACA was challenged in court and the Supreme court is the one who has the final answer on constitutional questions. It sounds to me like you are saying that the people of the United States are prohibited from voting for what they want. Obama didn't "grab" power. He was elected. Congress passed the law. All Obama did was sign it.

yeah didn't ya know its the "Constitutionally limited government" of the united states ... its not the "Constitution of the united states as we thought it to be ...where we the people write the laws ... its the "Constitutionally limited government" where the republicans dictate what law is you silly person ... and by obama signing it it made it part of the Constitution of the united states and not their "Constitutionally limited government" ... oh well!!!
I guess it sucks to be dblack he hates mandates you know ...

 

[Sallow]

A really stunning display of deliberate delusion. By this tortured "reasoning", no laws are coercive; we're always "free" to defy them and suffer the consequences. You should be ashamed spinning such bullshit.

There is a mandate. Just like there is a mandate to have car insurance. People do not "opt out" of receiving coverage once they get sick. The mandate means that nobody gets to take a free ride. Citizens had the liberty to vote for Romney; he made it clear that he would do away with any mandate. However, the people voted for the guy who said he would get the ACA passed. That is how democracy works. Obama was elected. Congress passed the law. Obama signed it. For the time being it is the law.

There is only two ways to have universal coverage, a government insurance program which covers everyone or private insurance that is mandated. Conservatives should see the mandate as the lesser of two evils. As in the past, most people will continue to get their health insurance and their healthcare from non-government sources.

Conservatives never wanted universal health care.

 

[billyerock1991]

It's not how constitutionally limited government is supposed to work. And Romney offered exactly no credible alternative - he was the Republican least likely to reverse the mandate.

The ACA was a rigged game from the very beginning - crass power grab. Every single idiot supporting it has betrayed the fundamental values of liberal democracy.

"Constitutionally limited government"? That sounds like something off of a right wing radio program. The ACA was challenged in court and the Supreme court is the one who has the final answer on constitutional questions. It sounds to me like you are saying that the people of the United States are prohibited from voting for what they want. Obama didn't "grab" power. He was elected. Congress passed the law. All Obama did was sign it.

They can vote for whatever they want. But when what they want violates the Constitution, they can't have it. The system only works, however, when the Court does its job.

and whats your point??? its constitutional ... the holy nine said so... and now you're whining about the fact that our constitution up held it huh .... boy that must piss you off being force to actually do what our constitution says for once in your life ...