Obamacare train pulls safely into the station

[billyerock1991]

We needed 20,000 pages of new regulation just to sign people up for Medicare?

ObamaCare needs to be aborted

boy what have been smoking... medicare has been working for years... what 20,000 new pages are you talking about ... or are you rolling up those funny cigarette in those 20,000 new pages

P.S.
Obama care is here to stay ...you can take that to the bank ...

ObamaCare is headed for the ash heap of history

do you want to put money on that ???? or are are you just talking out your ass heap of your history ... you know all mouth and no substance ...

ps
still waiting for information on those 20,000 medicare pages you speak of

 

[billyerock1991]

If there are any characteristics that the right wing exemplifies they are the whining, the sky is falling, and martyrdom syndromes. Someone is always plotting to destroy some past utopia that only they can see. Add the Dunning-Kruger effect and you have the perfect right winger, usually a conservative, often republican, but occasionally a libertarian sort of mortal. They are real beauts, guided by the narrative of taxes are bad and government is even worse, the corporations play them like banjos, and like a banjo they willingly acquiesce in their own demise.


"Which are the arguments and how many are there? I must have an inbred urge toward symmetry. In canvassing for the principal ways of criticizing, assaulting, and ridiculing the three successive "progressive" thrusts of Marshall's story, I have come up with another triad: that is, with three principal reactive-reactionary theses, which I call the perversity thesis or thesis of the perverse effect, the futility thesis, and the jeopardy thesis. According to the perversity thesis, any purposive action to improve some feature of the political, social, or economic order only serves to exacerbate the condition one wishes to remedy. The futility thesis holds that attempts at social transformation will be unavailing, that they will simply fail to "make a dent." Finally, the jeopardy thesis argues that the cost of the proposed change or reform is too high as it endangers some previous, precious accomplishment." Albert Hirschman 'The Rhetoric of Reaction'

and you could keep your doctor, your policy well, that's the insurance company decision not the presidents ...

 

[jillian]

and you could keep your doctor, your policy well, that's the insurance company decision not the presidents ...

he didn't say the words... "the law would not affect your ability to keep your doctor."

so they need to keep ranting.

but over 8 million are covered now.

good luck to them using that in november.

 

[Darkwind]

who writes a post that say stupid shit like yours??? give up??? I know, you do!!!!

answer: the site was never design to tell us if they buy the product ... it was design to give you information on a plans that all the insurance companies out in the country have to offer ... and for you to sign up for that plan ...but you keep saying stupid shit ... that's what you conservatives do ...

I feel sorry for you. I try not to get angry when talking to Progressives because you have no mind of your own. You just parrot all the talking points that are fed into the Collective

first of all I'm not a progressive I'm a liberal... a bleeding far left lefty, tree hugger, or what ever vision you have for liberals... so with you lack of reading skills, it looks like you failed your self again ... as for you getting angry, I don't give a flying **** if you do ... I give you what I have learned in life through my own personal
experience...

I signed up for health care, my new policy, which by the way is a LPO, because I chose it, fully knowing that I would have to pay for outside pocket
expenses... if I went out of the policy, which morons like you are too stupid to under stand ... then start whining because you didn't know what you bought...

now this policy that I bought is 10 time better the the one I had and cost me 50% less of what I was paying... why did it cost me 50% less??? I did something you right wing nut jobs don't do... I researched it... where you right wing nut jobs just parrot all the talking points that are fed into the Collective about Obama care...

Frankly, to many people have done the number crunching and come to a different conclusion. Which leads Me to the understanding that if you'll lie about this to support an ideology that is morally bankrupt, you will lie about just about anything. Including any life experience you may want to bring to the table.

Have a nice day.

 

[billyerock1991]

translation = there wasn't any 20,000 medicare pages he's just speaking out of his ass again ...

 

[billyerock1991]

and you could keep your doctor, your policy well, that's the insurance company decision not the presidents ...

he didn't say the words... "the law would not affect your ability to keep your doctor." (BR) and it didn't

so they need to keep ranting. (BR)the only rating I hear is from losers like you

but over 8 million are covered now. (BR)well you got that right 1 out of 5 not so good

good luck to them using that in november.

oh they will have great luck ... have you see what they have offered the republicans for the president???? what the are offering for the mid term ain't any better ... and yes I said ain't ... we will see you republicans fall by the hundreds ...

 

[jon_berzerk]

and you could keep your doctor, your policy well, that's the insurance company decision not the presidents ...

he didn't say the words... "the law would not affect your ability to keep your doctor."

so they need to keep ranting.

but over 8 million are covered now.

good luck to them using that in november.

it really doesnt matter how many now does it

the number of insured should be much higher

since it is mandated to get it or face fines and consequences

just because someone is on obamacare does not mean they are happy about it

 

[billyerock1991]

I feel sorry for you. I try not to get angry when talking to Progressives because you have no mind of your own. You just parrot all the talking points that are fed into the Collective

first of all I'm not a progressive I'm a liberal... a bleeding far left lefty, tree hugger, or what ever vision you have for liberals... so with you lack of reading skills, it looks like you failed your self again ... as for you getting angry, I don't give a flying **** if you do ... I give you what I have learned in life through my own personal
experience...

I signed up for health care, my new policy, which by the way is a LPO, because I chose it, fully knowing that I would have to pay for outside pocket
expenses... if I went out of the policy, which morons like you are too stupid to under stand ... then start whining because you didn't know what you bought...

now this policy that I bought is 10 time better the the one I had and cost me 50% less of what I was paying... why did it cost me 50% less??? I did something you right wing nut jobs don't do... I researched it... where you right wing nut jobs just parrot all the talking points that are fed into the Collective about Obama care...

Frankly, to many people have done the number crunching and come to a different conclusion. Which leads Me to the understanding that if you'll lie about this to support an ideology that is morally bankrupt, you will lie about just about anything. Including any life experience you may want to bring to the table.

Have a nice day.

translation=you couldn't refute my post...

see that's what happens when you don't do your research a typical republican flaw ... and yet you haven't shown us these crunch numbers you speak of, you just repeat your handlers, like the parrot you are ...

 

[billyerock1991]

and you could keep your doctor, your policy well, that's the insurance company decision not the presidents ...

he didn't say the words... "the law would not affect your ability to keep your doctor."

so they need to keep ranting.

but over 8 million are covered now.

good luck to them using that in november.

it really doesnt matter how many now does it

the number of insured should be much higher

since it is mandated to get it or face fines and consequences

just because someone is on obamacare does not mean they are happy about it

it is a require for all to sign up ... if you don't sign up you are taxed

mandate
an authoritative command; especially : a formal order from a superior court or official to an inferior one
2
: an authorization to act given to a representative <accepted the mandate of the people>
3
a : an order or commission granted by the League of Nations to a member nation for the establishment of a responsible government over a former German colony or other conquered territory


well it doesn't seem to fit you Idea of what a mandate is ... try again!!!

P.S. a tax isn't a fine its a tax ... a tax is what a civilize society relies on to exist ...

 

[jon_berzerk]

he didn't say the words... "the law would not affect your ability to keep your doctor."

so they need to keep ranting.

but over 8 million are covered now.

good luck to them using that in november.

it really doesnt matter how many now does it

the number of insured should be much higher

since it is mandated to get it or face fines and consequences

just because someone is on obamacare does not mean they are happy about it

it is a require for all to sign up ... if you don't sign up you are taxed

mandate
an authoritative command; especially : a formal order from a superior court or official to an inferior one
2
: an authorization to act given to a representative <accepted the mandate of the people>
3
a : an order or commission granted by the League of Nations to a member nation for the establishment of a responsible government over a former German colony or other conquered territory


well it doesn't seem to fit you Idea of what a mandate is ... try again!!!

P.S. a tax isn't a fine its a tax ... a tax is what a civilize society relies on to exist ...

yeah

like is said

just because someone is mandated to do something

does not mean they are happy about it

 

[natstew]

A harrowing ride but a satisfying conclusion to the journey!

Exchange enrollment has exceeded expectations

Obamacare Tears Down Goalposts: 8 Million Sign-Ups

President Barack Obama announced Thursday that 8 million Americans had enrolled in private health coverage under Obamacare -- the final evidence that the law signed up far more Americans than most would have thought possible during the doldrums of last fall.

The uninsurance rate continues to fall.

Health insurance gains since last fall hit 12 million, survey shows - latimes.com

President Obama’s health law has led to an even greater increase in health coverage than previously estimated, according to new Gallup survey data, which suggest that about 12 million previously uninsured Americans have gained coverage since last fall.

Premiums and ACA costs are lower than anticipated.

Lower premiums (yes, really) drive down Obamacare’s expected costs, CBO says


The CBO and the Society of Actuaries anticipate only modest premium growth next year.

Smaller premium hikes forecast in 2015 for Obamacare - Jennifer Haberkorn and Brett Norman - POLITICO.com


New data signal smaller jump in health care costs


The exchanges are about to get more competitive.

Insurers see brighter Obamacare skies - Kyle Cheney and Brett Norman - POLITICO.com


Health care quality is improving.

National Committee for Quality Assurance -- State of Health Care Qualty


Obamacare Shows Hospital Savings as Patients Make Gains - Bloomberg


More hospitals improve quality of care | Healthcare Finance News


All Pioneer ACOs improved quality; only third lowered costs


Is Obamacare working? Hospitals finally see drop in readmissions

New CMS figures show that the national rate of 30-day readmissions for Medicare patients dropped to 17.8% in November 2012 after spending years stuck at 19%—and White House officials say the Affordable Care Act deserves the credit.

The health care system is re-designing itself to start holding down costs and improving quality in the long-term.

Do Structural Changes Drive the Recent Health Care Spending Slowdown? New Evidence

Value-based purchasing of hospital services has had a significant impact on hospital behavior. Hospitals are highly sensitive to changes in financial incentives. Movement away from a preponderance of fee-for-service payments is also likely to permanently alter hospital behavior. For instance, emphasis on reduced readmissions has reportedly changed how hospital managers think about care delivery, from the care delivered within their four walls towards coordinating care outside their four walls as they track patients as they return to the community or to various post acute care settings.

An observation is that hospitals and other providers are being called to change their care delivery models and business models as payment systems evolve. In a general sense this is leading to a re-engineering of care- slow to start with, but gaining momentum over time. The ACA, with its call for CMMI grants, shows the potential magnitude of private and public sector experiments with alternative organizational forms such as ACOs and medical homes in combination with payment system incentives in the form of payments for value, payment bundling and capitation and prompting the health care industry to reconsider delivery models that reduce incentives for volume of care under fee-for- service. As organizational forms and payment models evolve, augmentation of computing powers and more ready access to “big data” claims files emphasizes an ability to better understand the consequences of change in terms of clinical and economic outcomes.

What a load of crap!!

Total propaganda!

 

[billyerock1991]

it really doesnt matter how many now does it

the number of insured should be much higher

since it is mandated to get it or face fines and consequences

just because someone is on obamacare does not mean they are happy about it

it is a require for all to sign up ... if you don't sign up you are taxed

mandate
an authoritative command; especially : a formal order from a superior court or official to an inferior one
2
: an authorization to act given to a representative <accepted the mandate of the people>
3
a : an order or commission granted by the League of Nations to a member nation for the establishment of a responsible government over a former German colony or other conquered territory


well it doesn't seem to fit you Idea of what a mandate is ... try again!!!

P.S. a tax isn't a fine its a tax ... a tax is what a civilize society relies on to exist ...

yeah

like is said

just because someone is mandated to do something

does not mean they are happy about it

nobody has been mandated ...

 

[dblack]

it is a require for all to sign up ... if you don't sign up you are taxed

mandate
an authoritative command; especially : a formal order from a superior court or official to an inferior one
2
: an authorization to act given to a representative <accepted the mandate of the people>
3
a : an order or commission granted by the League of Nations to a member nation for the establishment of a responsible government over a former German colony or other conquered territory


well it doesn't seem to fit you Idea of what a mandate is ... try again!!!

P.S. a tax isn't a fine its a tax ... a tax is what a civilize society relies on to exist ...

yeah

like is said

just because someone is mandated to do something

does not mean they are happy about it

nobody has been mandated ...

Yes, yes. Black is white, ignorance is strength, etc...

 

[Antares]

it is a require for all to sign up ... if you don't sign up you are taxed

mandate
an authoritative command; especially : a formal order from a superior court or official to an inferior one
2
: an authorization to act given to a representative <accepted the mandate of the people>
3
a : an order or commission granted by the League of Nations to a member nation for the establishment of a responsible government over a former German colony or other conquered territory


well it doesn't seem to fit you Idea of what a mandate is ... try again!!!

P.S. a tax isn't a fine its a tax ... a tax is what a civilize society relies on to exist ...

yeah

like is said

just because someone is mandated to do something

does not mean they are happy about it

nobody has been mandated ...

man·date noun \&#712;man-&#716;d&#257;t\

: an official order to do something



Mandate - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Poor stupid Billie Boi.

 

[Antares]

and you could keep your doctor, your policy well, that's the insurance company decision not the presidents ...

he didn't say the words... "the law would not affect your ability to keep your doctor."

so they need to keep ranting.

but over 8 million are covered now.

good luck to them using that in november.

Counselor please the Boi King LIED through his teeth no matter how you attempt to parse it.

 

[billyerock1991]

yeah

like is said

just because someone is mandated to do something

does not mean they are happy about it

nobody has been mandated ...

Yes, yes. Black is white, ignorance is strength, etc...

you do realize that nobody takes a paid poster serious don't you ... I've told you this before .... seems you're a little slow in the head catching on ... well that's expected when you're a repub-lie-tard ... what ever you have to say is worthless to me ... paid poster ...

 

[billyerock1991]

yeah

like is said

just because someone is mandated to do something

does not mean they are happy about it

nobody has been mandated ...

man·date noun \&#712;man-&#716;d&#257;t\

: an official order to do something



Mandate - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Poor stupid Billie Boi.

poor stupid Antares can't separate the Idea of being told to do something and pay a tax ...well, what do you expoct from a retarded paid poster ... poor poor little antares his head must hurt for trying to figure out whats what, and failing at it

 

[Antares]

nobody has been mandated ...

man·date noun \&#712;man-&#716;d&#257;t\

: an official order to do something



Mandate - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Poor stupid Billie Boi.

poor stupid Antares can't separate the Idea of being told to do something and pay a tax ...well, what do you expoct from a retarded paid poster ... poor poor little antares his head must hurt for trying to figure out whats what, and failing at it

The high court rejected the argument, advanced by the Obama administration, that the individual mandate is constitutional under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. Before Thursday, the court for decades had said it gave Congress latitude to enact economic legislation.

Supreme Court upholds Obama?s health-care law - The Washington Post

The Administration Lawyers and SC Justices disagree with you hillbilly.

 

[Antares]

nobody has been mandated ...

Yes, yes. Black is white, ignorance is strength, etc...

you do realize that nobody takes a paid poster serious don't you ... I've told you this before .... seems you're a little slow in the head catching on ... well that's expected when you're a repub-lie-tard ... what ever you have to say is worthless to me ... paid poster ...

Poor hillbilly, you seem to be quite full of yourself...with no apparent reason to be.

Why would your opinion matter to anyone but you?

Where you fail is that you never post anything BUT your opinion and when asked for sources to back up your claim, you simply shrug and claim you have no need to post ANY sources at all.

You fail kid, but then you are used to that.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Nutters don't seem to appreciate the OP. How odd.