Obamacare overcharged healthy & young people that needed insurance to help fund the cost of insurance for sick people

[schmidlap]

Should the taxpayers pay your premiums?

Most Americans - including Repubs and MAGAs - agree that everyone should have healthcare coverage, and it should be publicly supported.

 

[DonGlock26]

Most Americans - including Repubs and MAGAs - agree that everyone should have healthcare coverage, and it should be publicly supported.

Source?

 

[SweetSue92]

Thank you. Appreciate it.

And I agree.

One more question. Which taxes? Federal Income, State Income, Locality, Sales, Property?

Would citizens that don't pay taxes be excluded?

WW

Start with the fact that their citizens, and then figure out why they're not paying taxes. Are they disabled, caring for relatives, underage, in school, etc? For some if they're paying income taxes, okay. But certainly you cannot maintain any kind of single payer and invite the world in to partake for free.

 

[sartre play]

Obamacare has wrecked the health care of Americans because it is masked socialism.
It gave coverage to some by raising costs on most other people.

Your memory is short on facts. BOTH POLITICAL PARTYS put their finger in the pie.
The ACA STARTED OUT ONE WAY. and in order to get it passed, MANY many CHANGES were made.
Some may have been good, but many did not improve things for most of us.

 

[schmidlap]

Source?

More in U.S. See Health Coverage as Government Responsibility

Americans' agreement that the federal government must ensure all Americans have healthcare coverage now exceeds 60%, after declining to as low as 42% during the years when the Affordable Care Act was being debated and implemented.

news.gallup.com

Poll: Most of the Public Support Extending the ACA’s Enhanced Premium Tax Credits, Including Most Republicans and MAGA Supporters | KFF

With the Affordable Care Act’s (ACA) enhanced premium tax credits set to expire at the end of 2025, a large majority (77%) of the public favor Congress extending the credits while about one in five (22%) say they should let them expire, the latest KFF Health Tracking Poll finds.

www.kff.org

 

[WorldWatcher]

Start with the fact that their citizens, and then figure out why they're not paying taxes. Are they disabled, caring for relatives, underage, in school, etc? For some if they're paying income taxes, okay. But certainly you cannot maintain any kind of single payer and invite the world in to partake for free.

Again, what taxes? Everyone pays taxes, which kind is what can change. (But let's assume you are talking strickly Federal Income Taxes.)

Agreed, you can't "invite the world" and have a viable system.

But see...

Some can't think beyond the bumper sticker.

Some equate "Single Payer" with "Universal Health Care" which of course are different programs.

Some see them as a bumper sticker fix to the ills of health care. (Typically many on the left.)

Some reject them as a bumper sticker not because the core ideas don't have merit, but because they are ideas supported by the left. (Typically many on the right.)

Me? I don't know.

People forget that under both Single Payer or UHC, the money they (and their employers) pay into health care via premiums, co-pays, deductibles, etc. would be transferred to fund a new system.

They (both sides) can also forget that Single Payer or UHC may not apply to everyone. Therefore the could still be multiple systems depending on the situation:

• Medicaid for the poor and disabled.
• Single Payer or UHC for working adults (and their dependents)
• Medicare for elder retirees
• VA / TRICARE for military related care

An honest evaluation of cost benefits needs to be done on a bipartisan basis, which is something in this political climate that isn't going to happen.

WW

 

[task0778]

Obamacare overcharged healthy & young people that needed insurance to help fund the cost of insurance for sick people​

The promise of Obamacare was that if they could attract enough young, healthy people to sign up for insurance they could then have lower premiums. Didn't happen. So, the premiums had to go up to pay for the healthcare that sick people got. And we ended up paying gov't subsidies for Obamacare, which is what the democrats wanted all along.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Obamacare overcharged healthy & young people that needed insurance to help fund the cost of insurance for sick people​

The promise of Obamacare was that if they could attract enough young, healthy people to sign up for insurance they could then have lower premiums. Didn't happen. So, the premiums had to go up to pay for the healthcare that sick people got. And we ended up paying gov't subsidies for Obamacare, which is what the democrats wanted all along.

Because in 2017 the Trump Administration and Congress (both chambers in GOP control) effectively eliminated the mandate and penalty for not having health insurance. So...

#1 They (young healthy people) didn't need to enroll as their was no mandate and no penalty for not doing so.

#2 For those that didn't enroll the revenue that was supposed to come from non-enrollees didn't happen. With that revenue stream program costs were projected to be lower. With them, costs were higher than projected.
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This skewed the enrollment demographics.

WW

 

[JoeB131]

Should the taxpayers pay your premiums?

I'd rather have the government do it than an insurance company, to be honest.

 

[task0778]

#1 They (young healthy people) didn't need to enroll as their was no mandate and no penalty for not doing so.

I thought many of the young and healthy people didn't enroll from day 1 of O'Care. They didn't have the income required to pay the penalty. Some probably didn't file income taxes.

ObamaCare was passed on a partisan vote when the dems had 60 votes in the Senate. It was legally done, but totally partisan and it's no wonder the GOP tried to kill it since they had no skin in the game. And still trying. Would've killed it if McCain hadn't betrayed his party.

I believe the democrats realized that ObamaCare would require gov't subsidies cuz they knew they wouldn't get enough young and healthy people to join up. It was always a ploy to take another step towards getting more gov't involvement in national healthcare.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Exactly nothing from you.

Except for the very direct point about risk pools and you knowing less than nothing about them.

Please go read, you're embarrassing yourself by not knowing the most basic of ideas, regarding insurance.

 

[DonGlock26]

Except for the very direct point about risk pools and you knowing less than nothing about them.

Please go read, you're embarrassing yourself by not knowing the most basic of ideas, regarding insurance.

I understand private insurance. I also understand the failure of socialism.

 

[Mr Natural]

Except for the very direct point about risk pools and you knowing less than nothing about them.

Please go read, you're embarrassing yourself by not knowing the most basic of ideas, regarding insurance.

He’s confused between mortgage payments and insurance premiums. Post 171.

 

[DonGlock26]

He’s confused between mortgage payments and insurance premiums. Post 171.

I’m just wondering why the taxpayers have to pay for one necessity and not the other. Should the taxpayers feed you too?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I understand private insurance. I also understand the failure of socialism.

You clearly do not. Like, at all.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

He’s confused between mortgage payments and insurance premiums. Post 171.

He apparently just stumbled upon the most basic tenets of risk pools and insurance.

 

[Mr Natural]

I’m just wondering why the taxpayers have to pay for one necessity and not the other. Should the taxpayers feed you too?

A mortgage is not a necessity. Open heart surgery is (unless you don’t mind dying).

 

[DonGlock26]

A mortgage is not a necessity. Open heart surgery is (unless you don’t mind dying).

Shelter isn't a necessity? Is a sex change a necessity?

 

[Mr Natural]

Shelter isn't a necessity? Is a sex change a necessity?

Owning a house is not a necessity. Fixing a broken bone is.

 

[DonGlock26]

Owning a house is not a necessity. Fixing a broken bone is.

How about shelter? Does the taxpayer owe you shelter?

I asked about a sex change. Is it a necessity?