Obamacare overcharged healthy & young people that needed insurance to help fund the cost of insurance for sick people

[Papageorgio]

Obamacare has wrecked the health care of Americans because it is masked socialism.
It gave coverage to some by raising costs on most other people.

That is the socialism that Obama was going for. He gets the Cadillac insurance and the rest of us pay for his and everyone else’s.

 

[citygator]

That refers to illegal exchanges of benefits for cash or non food items.




One in the same.

I just explained they werent. If you got your check late that is an improper payment but not fraud.

 

[Delldude]

If you got your check late that is an improper payment but not fraud.

Improper payments include fraudulent applications.

 

[citygator]

Improper payments include fraudulent applications.

A subset, sure, that makes the 1%. All improper payments arent fraud, a small percent are.

 

[Delldude]

All improper payments arent fraud, a small percent are.

I never said that.

You need to take your own reading course.

 

[citygator]

I never said that.

You need to take your own reading course.

Yes you did. What are we doing here my friend? Dancing? Let’s debate facts not sit around and watch me catch you make things up.

 

[Delldude]

Dancing

Proven that improper payments include fraud.

Gee Mr Peabody are improper SNAP payments fraud?

Yes Sherman if they were done to illegally receive SNAP benefits.

What is SNAP fraud Mr Peabody?

Well Sherman, SNAP fraud has many components, one of which is fraudulently receiving benefits.

One the same.

Keep trying Sonny Boy.

 

[citygator]

Proven that improper payments include fraud.

Gee Mr Peabody are improper SNAP payments fraud?

Yes Sherman if they were done to illegally receive SNAP benefits.

What is SNAP fraud Mr Peabody?

Well Sherman, SNAP fraud has many components, one of which is fraudulently receiving benefits.

One the same.

Keep trying Sonny Boy.

Fraud is about 1%. Dance all you want. You tried to say it was 11% as if you haven’t learned you can’t lie around me. Quit touching the hot pan and you wont get burned.

 

[Delldude]

Fraud is about 1%

Your figure represents selling benefits for cash or other non food items.

You tried to say it was 11% as if you haven’t learned you can’t lie around me.

I'm sure Obamacare directly affected SNAP.

It's 11.7% for total fraud in 2023, under Biden BTW.

My quote liar:

In Fiscal Year 2023, the USDA estimated 11.7% of benefits ($10.5 billion) were improper, with some estimates reaching up to $12 billion in stolen funds in 2025.

Weading is fundamental.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That is the socialism that Obama was going for. He gets the Cadillac insurance and the rest of us pay for his and everyone else’s.

Obama was going for the mandate, while you cheered on the peope who.deleted it.

Give yourself some credit. Why won't you?

 

[citygator]

Your figure represents selling benefits for cash or other non food items.

I'm sure Obamacare directly affected SNAP.

It's 11.7% for total fraud in 2023, under Biden BTW.

My quote liar:

In Fiscal Year 2023, the USDA estimated 11.7% of benefits ($10.5 billion) were improper, with some estimates reaching up to $12 billion in stolen funds in 2025.

Weading is fundamental.

You’re retarded. What grade did you complete? I would bet anything its a single digit.

See prior explanation (Post #357) why youre wrong. You already know, or you are not bright.

 

[dblack]

Obama was going for the mandate ...

For what it's worth, Obama was opposed to the individual mandate when he was campaigning for office. He mocked Hillary for proposing it.

Once elected, of course, he changed his mind.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

For what it's worth, Obama was opposed to the individual mandate when he was campaigning for office. He mocked Hillary for proposing it.

Not as I recall.

He took up the mantle for the individual mandate to.contrast himself against Hillary and her proposals for single payer.

Huge mistake, IMO.

 

[dblack]

Not as I recall.

He took up the mantle for the individual mandate to.contrast himself against Hillary and her proposals for single payer.

Huge mistake, IMO.

How Obama Broke His Promise on Individual Mandates

Was it a change of heart or a political calculation that led him to disavow the staunch opposition he voiced to requiring insurance purchases in 2008?

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Delldude]

You’re retarded. What grade did you complete? I would bet anything its a single digit.

See prior explanation (Post #357) why youre wrong. You already know, or you are not bright.

Typo, I can correct it if you want.

#371 is the point.

Your 1% isn't totally accurate.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How Obama Broke His Promise on Individual Mandates

Was it a change of heart or a political calculation that led him to disavow the staunch opposition he voiced to requiring insurance purchases in 2008?

www.theatlantic.com

Ah, got it. What changed his mind was that single payer was not feasible, and that he figured the GOP would not refuse their own idea.

Boy was he wrong.

 

[dblack]

Ah, got it. What changed his mind was that single payer was not feasible, and that he figured the GOP would not refuse their own idea.

Boy was he wrong.

I don't know what changed his mind. I'm sure all the lobbying from the health insurance industry didn't hurt. Or rather, did hurt - depending on how you look at it.

 

[citygator]

Typo, I can correct it if you want.

#371 is the point.

Your 1% isn't totally accurate.

SNAP fraud runs about ~1% in USDA’s own studies. The improper payment rate (created in 2002) measures paperwork accuracy — it includes underpayments and administrative errors. It is not a fraud rate. Calling 10–12% “fraud” is simply misreading the metric.

 

[Delldude]

SNAP fraud runs about ~1% in USDA’s own studies. The improper payment rate (created in 2002) measures paperwork accuracy — it includes underpayments and administrative errors. It is not a fraud rate. Calling 10–12% “fraud” is simply misreading the metric.

Data isn't necessarily on top of the reality.

Real losses far exceed reported numbers

The USDA’s data shows states reported about $250 million in stolen benefits last year. But the USDA estimates the real national hit could be much higher.

“It could be as high as $12 billion a year, could be more, we don’t know,” Haskins said.

Here are the top states reporting stolen SNAP benefits to the USDA in 2025’s first quarter:

Georgia – $22,877,392
New York – $16,180,073
California – $14,475,573
Alabama – $10,683,865.98
Ohio – $10,567,289
Oklahoma – $9,318,793
Texas – $7,224,427.98
Virginia – $5,328,136
Illinois – $4,801,847.74
Florida – $4,461,579.24

(USDA SNAP Replacement of Stolen Benefits Dashboard)

Families suffer as $12 billion stolen from food assistance programs, USDA says

Federal investigators say SNAP fraud hits all-time highs as criminals use advanced skimming technology.

www.investigatetv.com

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I don't know what changed his mind. I'm sure all the lobbying from the health insurance industry didn't hurt. Or rather, did hurt - depending on how you look at it.

What changed his mind was that it was the only way to make insurance cheaper that would pass.