Obamacare Goes down in Defeat in Virginia

[thereisnospoon]

All this can be done by keeping revenue and resources within the States to manage themselves with less federal bureaucracy as the middle man.

Instead of taxpayers paying more and more TO the federal govt, and then having to FIGHT politically to get it back.

BYPASS the feds/middle man, deduct taxes for directly INVESTING in these hospitals, schools, facilities and programs, and TAKE BACK control of resources and management
directly through each state.

That's less politics, less backlog and complication through federal administrations,
and more direct democratic management of resources to meet local needs per State.

This can be done through Party, through medical schools and programs that already have established relationships with state and federal govt. And rework the system to be local.
Everyone will be happy.

The conservatives will have shifted control of resources back to people and states
to decide democratically.

And the liberals can cover diverse populations and needs through LOCALIZED representation, instead of having to fight politically at the very top of govt out of reach.

We could be working together on a win/win situation, left and right together,
and both get what we want out of the deal. Instead of targeting and blaming problems on the other groups, where nobody has control of the process or resources, and the federal govt keeps stepping in to impose control as a middle man/third party.

The states can solve their own problems by working directly with all given resources,
not depending on federal govt to come in and fight politically against each other!

4 Unexpected Benefits For States That Agree To Expand Medicaid

The decision to resist Medicaid expansion obviously has serious consequences for the low-income Americans who can’t access insurance, and that’s why activists have branded the fight over expansion as a “moral issue.” But there are additional impacts outside of health care, too. Agreeing to expand Medicaid can also benefit states in a range of other ways:

1. Preventing layoffs and creating new jobs.

The Mercy health system — which is the sixth-largest Catholic health care system in the country — announced this week that it will be forced to lay off 300 workers in multiple different states. Officials cited states’ refusal to expand Medicaid as one of the main reasons it can no longer afford to keep its current staffing level. On the other hand, multiple studies have projected that agreeing to accept the expansion will help states create thousands of new jobs in the health care sector to accommodate their growing population of insured residents.

2. Helping kids stay in school.

Expanding health coverage for low-income children can actually help them stay in high school, go to college, and complete a bachelor’s degree, according to a new report from the National Bureau of Economic Research. After Cornell and Harvard researchers examined the effects of Medicaid expansion in the 1980s and 1990s, they found that extending health insurance to poor kids can actually reduce economic and and educational inequality. That’s likely because of two factors: healthier kids tend to do better in school, and families that don’t have to spend so much money on health costs are freed up to focus on helping their children succeed in school.

3. Raising household incomes.

Without insurance, medical bills can bankrupt a family. But when families have health care plans to help them cover the cost of their medications and procedures, they’re able to save the money they otherwise would have spent on those services. There’s already evidence that Obamacare could help save some struggling Americans from financial distress, and boost the poorest Americans’ personal incomes by five percent. But that’s only if the coverage expansion is actually implemented.

4. Keeping hospitals open.

For some hospitals, the consequences of rejecting Medicaid expansion is even more dire than being forced to lay off staff. Many of the hospitals serving the poorest communities can’t afford to stay operating without the funding from the expansion, including the financial boon from serving more patients who have insurance. Rural hospitals in states like Georgia, Tennessee, Virginia, and North Carolina are being forced to close. This isn’t an unexpected consequence; hospital associations have lobbied hard for Medicaid expansion over the past year, predicting that failing to implement this Obamacare provision will cause them to close some of their facilities in impoverished areas.

4 Unexpected Benefits For States That Agree To Expand Medicaid | ThinkProgress

Too late. Obamacare installs permanently the federal government as the middle man.

 

[shart_attack]

Voters want medicaid expanded. Governor Kasich here in Ohio balked at first but the voters encouraged him change his stance in the end.

VA is having a problem with it's Republicans as you know. They might want to rethink their extreme hate for the poor in America.

So THAT'S why they turned it down...Because YOU say the voters wanted it.
Newsflash there cupcake, only parasites want this nonsense.

Not true.

Fun fact:

Saying that something isn't true doesn't make what you say true.

 

[thereisnospoon]

4 Unexpected Benefits For States That Agree To Expand Medicaid

The decision to resist Medicaid expansion obviously has serious consequences for the low-income Americans who can’t access insurance, and that’s why activists have branded the fight over expansion as a “moral issue.” But there are additional impacts outside of health care, too. Agreeing to expand Medicaid can also benefit states in a range of other ways:

1. Preventing layoffs and creating new jobs.

The Mercy health system — which is the sixth-largest Catholic health care system in the country — announced this week that it will be forced to lay off 300 workers in multiple different states. Officials cited states’ refusal to expand Medicaid as one of the main reasons it can no longer afford to keep its current staffing level. On the other hand, multiple studies have projected that agreeing to accept the expansion will help states create thousands of new jobs in the health care sector to accommodate their growing population of insured residents.

2. Helping kids stay in school.

Expanding health coverage for low-income children can actually help them stay in high school, go to college, and complete a bachelor’s degree, according to a new report from the National Bureau of Economic Research. After Cornell and Harvard researchers examined the effects of Medicaid expansion in the 1980s and 1990s, they found that extending health insurance to poor kids can actually reduce economic and and educational inequality. That’s likely because of two factors: healthier kids tend to do better in school, and families that don’t have to spend so much money on health costs are freed up to focus on helping their children succeed in school.

3. Raising household incomes.

Without insurance, medical bills can bankrupt a family. But when families have health care plans to help them cover the cost of their medications and procedures, they’re able to save the money they otherwise would have spent on those services. There’s already evidence that Obamacare could help save some struggling Americans from financial distress, and boost the poorest Americans’ personal incomes by five percent. But that’s only if the coverage expansion is actually implemented.

4. Keeping hospitals open.

For some hospitals, the consequences of rejecting Medicaid expansion is even more dire than being forced to lay off staff. Many of the hospitals serving the poorest communities can’t afford to stay operating without the funding from the expansion, including the financial boon from serving more patients who have insurance. Rural hospitals in states like Georgia, Tennessee, Virginia, and North Carolina are being forced to close. This isn’t an unexpected consequence; hospital associations have lobbied hard for Medicaid expansion over the past year, predicting that failing to implement this Obamacare provision will cause them to close some of their facilities in impoverished areas.

4 Unexpected Benefits For States That Agree To Expand Medicaid | ThinkProgress

Republicans don't care,remember its the poor who will be able to get health insurance if its expanded...they are the party of the billionaires...exactly why they are dying as a party.

What do YOU do for the poor?

 

[WelfareQueen]

Voters want medicaid expanded. Governor Kasich here in Ohio balked at first but the voters encouraged him change his stance in the end.

VA is having a problem with it's Republicans as you know. They might want to rethink their
extreme hate for the poor in America.

[MENTION=18645]Sarah G[/MENTION]


Medicaid expansion in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing. The question is who will have to pay for it. Under Obamacare, the Feds will kick in 90% for the first 5 years....after that...no guarantees.

Expanding Medicaid is potentially an enormous liability for the States down the road. Would you take the deal? Would you trust the Federal Government to continue kicking in 90% forever?

This isn't about anyone being mean. It is a question of how you pay for the additional benefits. What are your suggestions?

 

[Disir]

4 Unexpected Benefits For States That Agree To Expand Medicaid

The decision to resist Medicaid expansion obviously has serious consequences for the low-income Americans who can’t access insurance, and that’s why activists have branded the fight over expansion as a “moral issue.” But there are additional impacts outside of health care, too. Agreeing to expand Medicaid can also benefit states in a range of other ways:

1. Preventing layoffs and creating new jobs.

The Mercy health system — which is the sixth-largest Catholic health care system in the country — announced this week that it will be forced to lay off 300 workers in multiple different states. Officials cited states’ refusal to expand Medicaid as one of the main reasons it can no longer afford to keep its current staffing level. On the other hand, multiple studies have projected that agreeing to accept the expansion will help states create thousands of new jobs in the health care sector to accommodate their growing population of insured residents.

2. Helping kids stay in school.

Expanding health coverage for low-income children can actually help them stay in high school, go to college, and complete a bachelor’s degree, according to a new report from the National Bureau of Economic Research. After Cornell and Harvard researchers examined the effects of Medicaid expansion in the 1980s and 1990s, they found that extending health insurance to poor kids can actually reduce economic and and educational inequality. That’s likely because of two factors: healthier kids tend to do better in school, and families that don’t have to spend so much money on health costs are freed up to focus on helping their children succeed in school.

3. Raising household incomes.

Without insurance, medical bills can bankrupt a family. But when families have health care plans to help them cover the cost of their medications and procedures, they’re able to save the money they otherwise would have spent on those services. There’s already evidence that Obamacare could help save some struggling Americans from financial distress, and boost the poorest Americans’ personal incomes by five percent. But that’s only if the coverage expansion is actually implemented.

4. Keeping hospitals open.

For some hospitals, the consequences of rejecting Medicaid expansion is even more dire than being forced to lay off staff. Many of the hospitals serving the poorest communities can’t afford to stay operating without the funding from the expansion, including the financial boon from serving more patients who have insurance. Rural hospitals in states like Georgia, Tennessee, Virginia, and North Carolina are being forced to close. This isn’t an unexpected consequence; hospital associations have lobbied hard for Medicaid expansion over the past year, predicting that failing to implement this Obamacare provision will cause them to close some of their facilities in impoverished areas.

4 Unexpected Benefits For States That Agree To Expand Medicaid | ThinkProgress

Republicans don't care,remember its the poor who will be able to get health insurance if its expanded...they are the party of the billionaires...exactly why they are dying as a party.

What do YOU do for the poor?

Help purchase appliances, food, clothing, necessities, school supplies which is given directly. I have in the past let people that were homeless stay with me. What do YOU do?

 

[WelfareQueen]

Republicans don't care,remember its the poor who will be able to get health insurance if its expanded...they are the party of the billionaires...exactly why they are dying as a party.

What do YOU do for the poor?

Help purchase appliances, food, clothing, necessities, school supplies which is given directly. I have in the past let people that were homeless stay with me.

How do you pay for Medicaid Expansion? Who gets penalized? Be specific, or your points are completely bogus.

 

[Disir]

What do YOU do for the poor?

Help purchase appliances, food, clothing, necessities, school supplies which is given directly. I have in the past let people that were homeless stay with me.

How do you pay for Medicaid Expansion? Who gets penalized? Be specific, or your points are completely bogus.

My points are just fine. There is nothing bogus about them. People are just conveniently left out of the equation because it upsets people's tummies when they realize exactly what that is they are doing. Indirectly killing someone is still killing someone.

Here is a thought. Go through every single for profit that is operating as a non profit and doesn't pay taxes. Including hospitals. You can find the 10 %. Shucks, you could even start taxing billion dollar industries that fall under the heading of education that don't pay taxes. Testing companies and the like.

 

[Listening]

Let's work out an agreement.

If states want that same amount of federal funding to go into health care,
then agree to tax incentives and breaks to KEEP the funds generated by the states
from going to the feds in the first place! Reward states, citizens, businesses, schools and parties for setting up localized systems of medical services facilities and programs.

convert prisons and veteran facilities into teaching hospitals and treatment centers
where interns can earn their medical and nursing degrees by serving the public while they get their training under supervision. So save more resources, serve more people, and create jobs in every state, for student and veteran assistance, and take the burden off the federal govt to end this tug of war conflicts over funding and control of health policies.

Voters want medicaid expanded. Governor Kasich here in Ohio balked at first but the voters encouraged him change his stance in the end.

VA is having a problem with it's Republicans as you know. They might want to rethink their extreme hate for the poor in America.

Let's make a deal. You wear a pin for every individual that dies with their name on it in the US due to the inability to afford medical care OR in areas where there are none. I mean if we are willing as a people to celebrate the inability for medicaid expansion then by golly-LETS CELEBRATE.

Be who you are.

Produce the names asswipe.

I've challenged the left time and time again and they can't.

You should have a 1/2 million of them by now (if you believe that cock-and-bull Harvard study), and you have produced zero. That is simply lazy on your part. Statistics says there should be some out there who are marginal anyway. You should hundreds of thousands of names.

But you don't.

 

[Disir]

Let's work out an agreement.

If states want that same amount of federal funding to go into health care,
then agree to tax incentives and breaks to KEEP the funds generated by the states
from going to the feds in the first place! Reward states, citizens, businesses, schools and parties for setting up localized systems of medical services facilities and programs.

convert prisons and veteran facilities into teaching hospitals and treatment centers
where interns can earn their medical and nursing degrees by serving the public while they get their training under supervision. So save more resources, serve more people, and create jobs in every state, for student and veteran assistance, and take the burden off the federal govt to end this tug of war conflicts over funding and control of health policies.

Let's make a deal. You wear a pin for every individual that dies with their name on it in the US due to the inability to afford medical care OR in areas where there are none. I mean if we are willing as a people to celebrate the inability for medicaid expansion then by golly-LETS CELEBRATE.

Be who you are.

Produce the names asswipe.

I've challenged the left time and time again and they can't.

You should have a 1/2 million of them by now (if you believe that cock-and-bull Harvard study), and you have produced zero. That is simply lazy on your part. Statistics says there should be some out there who are marginal anyway. You should hundreds of thousands of names.

But you don't.

Produce what names, jack off? You have to create something to challenge besides your attempt at world's biggest douche.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Help purchase appliances, food, clothing, necessities, school supplies which is given directly. I have in the past let people that were homeless stay with me.

How do you pay for Medicaid Expansion? Who gets penalized? Be specific, or your points are completely bogus.

My points are just fine. There is nothing bogus about them. People are just conveniently left out of the equation because it upsets people's tummies when they realize exactly what that is they are doing. Indirectly killing someone is still killing someone.

Here is a thought. Go through every single for profit that is operating as a non profit and doesn't pay taxes. Including hospitals. You can find the 10 %. Shucks, you could even start taxing billion dollar industries that fall under the heading of education that don't pay taxes. Testing companies and the like.

So start taxing non-profits. Not sure that can be done legally under existing law, but and least you presented an idea.

 

[Sarah G]

Voters want medicaid expanded. Governor Kasich here in Ohio balked at first but the voters encouraged him change his stance in the end.

VA is having a problem with it's Republicans as you know. They might want to rethink their
extreme hate for the poor in America.

[MENTION=18645]Sarah G[/MENTION]


Medicaid expansion in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing. The question is who will have to pay for it. Under Obamacare, the Feds will kick in 90% for the first 5 years....after that...no guarantees.

Expanding Medicaid is potentially an enormous liability for the States down the road. Would you take the deal? Would you trust the Federal Government to continue kicking in 90% forever?

This isn't about anyone being mean. It is a question of how you pay for the additional benefits. What are your suggestions?

If you read the benefits that I posted, you will see that it can conceivably pay for itself if we're smart about it.

This, for example, creates new revenue for the states:

1. Preventing layoffs and creating new jobs.

You see where I'm headed? You don't necessarily have to take money from somewhere else to pay for it when job creation is involved. It also creates revenue. The Republicans haven't been thinking these things through. They're consumed with saying no to everything the president has tried to do.

2. Helping kids stay in school.

More revenue again.

3. Raising household incomes.

More spending. Helps the economy along.

4. Keeping hospitals open.

And costs down.

 

[J.E.D]

“When this budget reaches my desk I will evaluate it carefully and take the actions that I deem necessary, but this fight is far from over,” McAuliffe said in a statement just after the vote. “This is the right thing to do for Virginia, and I will not rest until we get it done

Sounds to me like the governor may veto the budget. Hardly a defeat for Obamacare. Besides, Obamacare is already the law of the land, so.......

Just more nonsense from crybaby losers who can't move on.

 

[koshergrl]

Republicans don't care,remember its the poor who will be able to get health insurance if its expanded...they are the party of the billionaires...exactly why they are dying as a party.

What do YOU do for the poor?

Help purchase appliances, food, clothing, necessities, school supplies which is given directly. I have in the past let people that were homeless stay with me. What do YOU do?

You're like one of those junk guys that tinkers with broken appliances, steals bikes to *repair* then sell, lies about his income to obtain foodstamps, and lets bums stay in the back shed then tells people "I help homeless people get appliances!" The neighborhood calls you "the junk man" and has been trying to get the city to evict your dumb ass and burn your trash heap to the ground for the last 15 years.

 

[Listening]

Voters want medicaid expanded. Governor Kasich here in Ohio balked at first but the voters encouraged him change his stance in the end.

VA is having a problem with it's Republicans as you know. They might want to rethink their
extreme hate for the poor in America.

[MENTION=18645]Sarah G[/MENTION]


Medicaid expansion in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing. The question is who will have to pay for it. Under Obamacare, the Feds will kick in 90% for the first 5 years....after that...no guarantees.

Expanding Medicaid is potentially an enormous liability for the States down the road. Would you take the deal? Would you trust the Federal Government to continue kicking in 90% forever?

This isn't about anyone being mean. It is a question of how you pay for the additional benefits. What are your suggestions?

If you read the benefits that I posted, you will see that it can conceivably pay for itself if we're smart about it.

This, for example, creates new revenue for the states:

1. Preventing layoffs and creating new jobs.

You see where I'm headed? You don't necessarily have to take money from somewhere else to pay for it when job creation is involved. It also creates revenue. The Republicans haven't been thinking these things through. They're consumed with saying no to everything the president has tried to do.

2. Helping kids stay in school.

More revenue again.

3. Raising household incomes.

More spending. Helps the economy along.

4. Keeping hospitals open.

And costs down.

ROTFLMAO

People still post this kind of garbage ?

A sad commentary on our education system.

 

[Disir]

What do YOU do for the poor?

Help purchase appliances, food, clothing, necessities, school supplies which is given directly. I have in the past let people that were homeless stay with me. What do YOU do?

You're like one of those bums that tinkers with broken appliances, steals bikes to *repair* then sell, lies about his income to obtain foodstamps, and lets bums stay in the back shed then tells people "I help homeless people get appliances!" The neighborhood calls you "the junk man" and has been trying to get the city to evict your dumb ass and burn your trash heap to the ground for the last 15 years.

No. Unlike you, I graduated from high school, went to a university, graduated and moved on. Now, don't you have a doublewide you need to clean?

 

[Chris]

Republicans want everyone to have guns, and no one to have healthcare.

 

[Disir]

How do you pay for Medicaid Expansion? Who gets penalized? Be specific, or your points are completely bogus.

My points are just fine. There is nothing bogus about them. People are just conveniently left out of the equation because it upsets people's tummies when they realize exactly what that is they are doing. Indirectly killing someone is still killing someone.

Here is a thought. Go through every single for profit that is operating as a non profit and doesn't pay taxes. Including hospitals. You can find the 10 %. Shucks, you could even start taxing billion dollar industries that fall under the heading of education that don't pay taxes. Testing companies and the like.

So start taxing non-profits. Not sure that can be done legally under existing law, but and least you presented an idea.

You need to come up with 10% more. You address your state.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Voters want medicaid expanded. Governor Kasich here in Ohio balked at first but the voters encouraged him change his stance in the end.

VA is having a problem with it's Republicans as you know. They might want to rethink their
extreme hate for the poor in America.

[MENTION=18645]Sarah G[/MENTION]


Medicaid expansion in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing. The question is who will have to pay for it. Under Obamacare, the Feds will kick in 90% for the first 5 years....after that...no guarantees.

Expanding Medicaid is potentially an enormous liability for the States down the road. Would you take the deal? Would you trust the Federal Government to continue kicking in 90% forever?

This isn't about anyone being mean. It is a question of how you pay for the additional benefits. What are your suggestions?

If you read the benefits that I posted, you will see that it can conceivably pay for itself if we're smart about it.

This, for example, creates new revenue for the states:

1. Preventing layoffs and creating new jobs.

You see where I'm headed? You don't necessarily have to take money from somewhere else to pay for it when job creation is involved. It also creates revenue. The Republicans haven't been thinking these things through. They're consumed with saying no to everything the president has tried to do.

2. Helping kids stay in school.

More revenue again.

3. Raising household incomes.

More spending. Helps the economy along.

4. Keeping hospitals open.

And costs down.

I appreciate your response and respect your opinion. All I would say in response is that Obama said Obamacare would "not raise the deficit one thin dime." Remember that promise?

The last estimate I saw from the Congressional Budget Office said Obamacare will increase the deficit $1,000,000,000,000.00 in the first 10 years. Increasing coverage for millions of additional people will cost a huge amount of money. It will not be cost neutral. If we expand benefits, let's at least be honest about how we will pay for it.

Let the American people get the facts (unlike all the lies told to sell Obamacare), and then we can decide if we want to expand coverage and see exactly how all of us will pay for it.

 

[Listening]

Help purchase appliances, food, clothing, necessities, school supplies which is given directly. I have in the past let people that were homeless stay with me. What do YOU do?

You're like one of those bums that tinkers with broken appliances, steals bikes to *repair* then sell, lies about his income to obtain foodstamps, and lets bums stay in the back shed then tells people "I help homeless people get appliances!" The neighborhood calls you "the junk man" and has been trying to get the city to evict your dumb ass and burn your trash heap to the ground for the last 15 years.

No. Unlike you, I graduated from high school, went to a university, graduated and moved on. Now, don't you have a doublewide you need to clean?

You'd be lucky to have a doublewide.

 

[Listening]

Republicans want everyone to have guns, and no one to have healthcare.

Democrats want people to have what others have worked for.