Obama says Obamacare is the law of the land but so was..

[The T]

The house has no obligation to fund every "law of the land". Their responsibility is to provide funding for the government in accordance with revenue and priorities----thats why its called a budget.


this recent dem/lib/obozo rant that "its the law, you have to fund it" is total bullshit.

Correct. Reid and others need to be reminded of Article 1, Section 7, and 8.

Reid, Obama certainly do NOT know their jobs.

 

[The T]

So we only enforce the laws that Obama wants to enforce, and all others are hem, hem, 'negotiable'?

-Geaux

Obama forgot he's no longer IN the Legislature...

 

[NYcarbineer]

The house has no obligation to fund every "law of the land". Their responsibility is to provide funding for the government in accordance with revenue and priorities----thats why its called a budget.


this recent dem/lib/obozo rant that "its the law, you have to fund it" is total bullshit.

Correct. Reid and others need to be reminded of Article 1, Section 7, and 8.

Reid, Obama certainly do NOT know their jobs.

They can't do that if they don't have the votes. And they don't.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Are you seriously comparing slavery to affordable health care?

Tell me honestly, if it were a GOP Pres and Senate and a Dem House, would you support the minority party shutting down the government to force legislation they didn't have the votes for?

Isn't Obamacare a form of slavery?

We're gonna be stuck paying for it for the rest of our lives.

That would make our military a form of slavery.

 

[regent]

Obama says Obamacare is the law of the land . So where other things like Slavery, segregation, prohibing, women's suffrage, prohibition, DOMA And all those laws were changed. So ,do you libs want to go back and put all these laws back into place since it WAS the law of the land in history. I sure dont but since you are so hell bent saying this is the LAW Of the LAND so were all of these

Obamacare can be removed using the same Constitutional processes as were used on the evils you mention; until it is removed by a Constitutional process, however, Obamacare is the law of the land.

Yes Obamacare is the law of the land. No problem with that statement.

Here's the problem. Our Gov't is out of funds again, and again, and again..........

Since we are out of money and borrowing our asses off, we need to cut spending and or raise revenues to sustain the Gov't.

The Debt Ceiling is about the debt, and what the Gov't believes need to be done to lower the debt. Obamacare is simply another new budget that is included with all the laws has to be paid.

Find a way to pay the bills or risk losing funding.

America began with a debt and we have a debt today. The debt was only paid off once in our history and that by a Democratic president. But the word debt has now become a political scare word and has ceased to be viewed as the problem it is. Politicians love those scare words, they put fear into Americans so they don't have to think.

 

[Redfish]

Link for your 65-70% bullshit. The majority DO NOT want repeal or shutdown.

The GOP orchestrated the shutdown weeks ago, telegraphed their intentions and now are "gleeful" that it is done. They are also shouldering the majority of the blame as they should. This "blame the President lie" is akin to one sibling pushing the other into the table, knocking over and breaking the lamp and saying "look what you did".

The country is finding out what it "really is"...and it's saving them money.

here's one from CBS.

Majority of Americans oppose Obamacare, want it repealed, poll finds - National Government | Examiner.com

in all but 3 or 4 states, the annual premiums are going up significantly, and the coverage is less than what they had before, large deductibles, limitations of types of testing etc.

If a poor person gets a policy, the premium is subsidized by the govt, but the policy has a 10K deductible, who do you think is going to pay the 10K? not the poor person, you and me, just like we do now. But under obozocare we will also have to pay for a huge govt beaurocracy.

You have a problem with numbers. There was nothing close to the numbers you spouted in that poll from July. 39% to 34% and 54% dislike (which includes people who want it expanded?)? That's not 65-70%. Eat more carrots.

please don't tell us what you do with carrots.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Obama says Obamacare is the law of the land . So where other things like Slavery, segregation, prohibing, women's suffrage, prohibition, DOMA And all those laws were changed. So ,do you libs want to go back and put all these laws back into place since it WAS the law of the land in history. I sure dont but since you are so hell bent saying this is the LAW Of the LAND so were all of these

You talking about things like slavery and segregation and anti-woman, etc., makes others just laugh.

You simply do not want millions on millions of Americans to be able to access health care, because the far right failed at it.

 

[Redfish]

Obamacare can be removed using the same Constitutional processes as were used on the evils you mention; until it is removed by a Constitutional process, however, Obamacare is the law of the land.

Yes Obamacare is the law of the land. No problem with that statement.

Here's the problem. Our Gov't is out of funds again, and again, and again..........

Since we are out of money and borrowing our asses off, we need to cut spending and or raise revenues to sustain the Gov't.

The Debt Ceiling is about the debt, and what the Gov't believes need to be done to lower the debt. Obamacare is simply another new budget that is included with all the laws has to be paid.

Find a way to pay the bills or risk losing funding.

America began with a debt and we have a debt today. The debt was only paid off once in our history and that by a Democratic president. But the word debt has now become a political scare word and has ceased to be viewed as the problem it is. Politicians love those scare words, they put fear into Americans so they don't have to think.

17 trillion in debt. Do you know what a trillion is? a trillion is one thousand billion, a billion is one thousand million. Can you even grasp how many dollars that is?

The debt is growing by around a trillion each year. It is a huge problem and will destroy this nation if not stopped.

Do you realize that we only pay the interest on the debt, nothing on the principle?

 

[Redfish]

Obama says Obamacare is the law of the land . So where other things like Slavery, segregation, prohibing, women's suffrage, prohibition, DOMA And all those laws were changed. So ,do you libs want to go back and put all these laws back into place since it WAS the law of the land in history. I sure dont but since you are so hell bent saying this is the LAW Of the LAND so were all of these

You talking about things like slavery and segregation and anti-woman, etc., makes others just laugh.

You simply do not want millions on millions of Americans to be able to access health care, because the far right failed at it.

they already have it snake, no one was denied healthcare before the ACA was rammed up our butts by the dems.

not having insurance does not mean denial of healthcare.

 

[Redfish]

Are you seriously comparing slavery to affordable health care?

Tell me honestly, if it were a GOP Pres and Senate and a Dem House, would you support the minority party shutting down the government to force legislation they didn't have the votes for?

Isn't Obamacare a form of slavery?

We're gonna be stuck paying for it for the rest of our lives.

That would make our military a form of slavery.

are you suggesting that we do away with our military?

 

[Caroljo]

Because forcing someone to spend a few bucks and do a sensible thing is just like working 16 hours a day in the blazing sun picking cotton for no pay.

Do you people really expect to be taken seriously with that argument?

It's against the constitution to FORCE anyone to buy something they don't want or get taxed (fined) for it if they don't. And yes it can be compared to slavery...people are being forced against their will to do something they don't want to do. But all Lovebear was saying is just because it's a law, doesn't mean it can't be changed.

Another ignorant conservative chimes in.

Please cite the actual language in the ACA where one is ‘forced’ to buy anything. Please cite the actual language in the ACA where one is subject to criminal prosecution and ‘fined.’

Congress has appropriately used its taxing authority, as sanctioned by the Constitution, to encourage the purchasing of health insurance, as it has done in the past with other similar measures:

Whether the mandate can be upheld under the Commerce Clause is a question about the scope of federal authority. Its answer depends on whether Congress can exercise what all acknowledge to be the novel course of directing individuals to purchase insurance. Congress’s use of the Taxing Clause to encourage buying something is, by contrast, not new. Tax incentives already promote, for example, purchasing homes and professional educations. See 26 U. S. C. §§163(h), 25A. Sustaining the mandate as a tax depends only on whether Congress has properly exercised its taxing power to encourage purchasing health insurance, not whether it can. Upholding the individual mandate under the Taxing Clause thus does not recognize any new federal power. It determines that Congress has used an existing one.

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS v. SEBELIUS | Supreme Court | LII / Legal Information Institute

Clearly opposition to the ACA is purely partisan, having nothing to do whatsoever with the facts or merits of the Act.

And no one is arguing that the ACA can’t be changed; again, conservatives are at liberty to attempt to change or repeal the Act through any appropriate, Constitutional means they wish – that they’ve failed to do so, however, is not justification for the radical right to hold the country hostage by shutting down the government and threatening its economic well being.

Oh...so this is all about ENCOURAGING people to buy insurance??? So why are they fined (or taxed) if they don't?? They are FORCING people to buy insurance. If you don't have it where you're employed, you have to get it through the exchange, or pay the fine.

Most people either don't want it, or they aren't sure IF they want it....because they don't know enough about it! Hell, most of our government doesn't even know what's in it or what it'll do. The majority of Americans don't know either.

 

[Caroljo]

Obama says Obamacare is the law of the land . So where other things like Slavery, segregation, prohibing, women's suffrage, prohibition, DOMA And all those laws were changed. So ,do you libs want to go back and put all these laws back into place since it WAS the law of the land in history. I sure dont but since you are so hell bent saying this is the LAW Of the LAND so were all of these

You talking about things like slavery and segregation and anti-woman, etc., makes others just laugh.

You simply do not want millions on millions of Americans to be able to access health care, because the far right failed at it.

Who has not been able to access health care? I've never heard of anyone being turned away. Yes, when the poor use the emergency rooms, we taxpayers pay for it. Guess what, we still will. Most poor will not have to pay into the exchange....but someone will have to pay for it....guess who!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Are you seriously comparing slavery to affordable health care?

Tell me honestly, if it were a GOP Pres and Senate and a Dem House, would you support the minority party shutting down the government to force legislation they didn't have the votes for?

Isn't Obamacare a form of slavery?

We're gonna be stuck paying for it for the rest of our lives.

And yet another ignorant rightist heard from.

It’s difficult to determine which is more reprehensible: your ignorance of slavery or your ignorance of the ACA.

 

[Foxfyre]

Are you seriously comparing slavery to affordable health care?

Tell me honestly, if it were a GOP Pres and Senate and a Dem House, would you support the minority party shutting down the government to force legislation they didn't have the votes for?

No. She was making a point that those so strenuously defending Obamacare on the basis that it is THE LAW, have no problem with hundreds of bad laws in the past being overturned, rescinded, changed, or abolished.

And the government has shut down numerous times in the past--17 to be exact from the 1970's through 2000--and has been done so mostly by Democratic congresses, purely to oppose a law they would not support.

Something being the law does not necessarily mean it is a good thing or should never be challenged.

Try to keep up.

 

[Yurt]

Are you seriously comparing slavery to affordable health care?

Tell me honestly, if it were a GOP Pres and Senate and a Dem House, would you support the minority party shutting down the government to force legislation they didn't have the votes for?

Yes , Because Obama is forcing US who do not want it do so something we do not want to do. Just like Slavery..

The ACA is law. Passed by both houses of Congress, signed by the President and upheld by the Supreme Court. In order to repeal a law, you must have the VOTES for it. That is how our system of government works. What the GOP is doing is anarchy.

"Most of US" do not support repeal and an OVERWHELMING "most of us" do not want the government shut down over it.

not funding something or delaying by one year, which the house is in charge of, is anarchy? how come obama's unilateral one year delays are not anarchy?

 

[The T]

Yes , Because Obama is forcing US who do not want it do so something we do not want to do. Just like Slavery..

The ACA is law. Passed by both houses of Congress, signed by the President and upheld by the Supreme Court. In order to repeal a law, you must have the VOTES for it. That is how our system of government works. What the GOP is doing is anarchy.

"Most of US" do not support repeal and an OVERWHELMING "most of us" do not want the government shut down over it.

not funding something or delaying by one year, which the house is in charge of, is anarchy? how come obama's unilateral one year delays are not anarchy?

Exactly. How is Obama's altering the LAW without consent of the Legislature not anarchy? He blatently subverted the Constitution. This is impeachment stuff...and it isn't the only time he's done it.

 

[The T]

Isn't Obamacare a form of slavery?

We're gonna be stuck paying for it for the rest of our lives.

That would make our military a form of slavery.

are you suggesting that we do away with our military?

Progressives HATE the military...and forgetting they are the ones that keep them safe...they're ignorant.

 

[Foxfyre]

That would make our military a form of slavery.

are you suggesting that we do away with our military?

Progressives HATE the military...and forgetting they are the ones that keep them safe...they're ignorant.

When we had the draft--another bad law that was rescinded by subsequent Congresses--the military really was a form of slavery for those who did not want to be there. Now we have an all volunteer military so it is a personal choice, and not conscription or slavery of any kind. Obamacare is in no way voluntary for anybody other than the President's own cronies and contributors, however, and our Founders are no doubt rolling in their graves at the pure rape of our personal liberties that is incorporated into that very flawed law.

 

[The T]

are you suggesting that we do away with our military?

Progressives HATE the military...and forgetting they are the ones that keep them safe...they're ignorant.

When we had the draft--another bad law that was rescinded by subsequent Congresses--the military really was a form of slavery for those who did not want to be there. Now we have an all volunteer military so it is a personal choice, and not conscription or slavery of any kind.

Agreed...as I was one of those volunteers...served proudly under Carter, Reagan, and HW Bush...

 

[Geaux4it]

The ACA is law. Passed by both houses of Congress, signed by the President and upheld by the Supreme Court. In order to repeal a law, you must have the VOTES for it. That is how our system of government works. What the GOP is doing is anarchy.

"Most of US" do not support repeal and an OVERWHELMING "most of us" do not want the government shut down over it.

not funding something or delaying by one year, which the house is in charge of, is anarchy? how come obama's unilateral one year delays are not anarchy?

Exactly. How is Obama's altering the LAW without consent of the Legislature not anarchy? He blatently subverted the Constitution. This is impeachment stuff...and it isn't the only time he's done it.

For real- That's why in Madison's Federalist 58, it is written that when impeachment would prove to disruptive, the House could use the power of the purse to reel in an unlawful POTUS such as Obama. The man has disgraced the office of the Presidency far more than even racist thought a black man could do

-Geaux