Closure of Al-Aqsa mosque for first time by IOF terrorists

[Shusha]

Did Britain declare that a Jewish State was to be founded onto the territory of the British Mandate Palestine - if so show me a map of that "specific" Jewish territory.

Of course Britain declared that a Jewish State was to be founded in Palestine. Have you not read the Mandate for Palestine?! Other than carving off Trans-Jordan, there has never been new boundaries drawn within Western Palestine. There has never been a legal document which outlines boundaries drawn within Western Palestine. My claim that it is ALL Israel is much more coherent than some strange idea that Britain intended a division within Western Palestine but just ... FORGOT to put it in any of the legal documents? Or that Britain meant for it to go to another Party, but ... FORGOT to write it down?

 

[Kruska]

Of course Britain declared that a Jewish State was to be founded in Palestine. Have you not read the Mandate for Palestine?! Other than carving off Trans-Jordan, there has never been new boundaries drawn within Western Palestine. There has never been a legal document which outlines boundaries drawn within Western Palestine. My claim that it is ALL Israel is much more coherent than some strange idea that Britain intended a division within Western Palestine but just ... FORGOT to put it in any of the legal documents? Or that Britain meant for it to go to another Party, but ... FORGOT to write it down?

That's exactly the "nonsense and unsubstantiated argument" of a Zionist running out of excuses, due to which I stopped further discussions with you two years ago. Therefore you evidently gave proof that YOU are indeed one of those Head Zionist Wackos.

"Therefore the Jordanians got their share in 1946 when Transjordan became an independent kingdom, hence the rest, ALL belongs solely to the Jews."
Hmm.. didn't you also bring this up??

Now show me that UN resolution, that would have stated - only Jews are allowed to participate in a referendum, that determines the future of the PEOPLES that live in Palestine.
And don't forget to present that map, where the British outlined/cartographed that supposed Jewish Homeland.

Or just read my signature VERY carefully

 

[Shusha]

That's exactly the "nonsense and unsubstantiated argument" of a Zionist running out of arguments, due to which I stopped further discussions with you two years ago. Therefore you evidently gave proof that YOU are indeed one of those Head Zionist Wackos.

"Therefore the Jordanians got their share in 1946 when Transjordan became an independent kingdom, hence the rest, ALL belongs solely to the Jews."
Hmm.. didn't you also bring this up??

Now show me that UN resolution, that would have stated - only Jews are allowed to participate in a referendum, that determines the future of the PEOPLES that live in Palestine.
And don't forget to present that map, where the British outlined/cartographed that supposed Jewish Homeland.

Or just read my signature VERY carefully

I always thought it you starting to post in bold red was the indicator of you losing an argument.

I've backed up every single one of my claims with the text of legal documents. IF you need me to do so again, I can, but if you are arguing this stuff, you should already know.

Here is the path I've outlined:
1. The Jewish people, just exactly the same as other peoples, put a claim in with the Parties Concerned.
2. The claim of the Jewish people was recognized in theory. Just the same as the claim of the Hashemite Kingdom was recognized in theory.
3. Both claims were based on equal rights to self-determination as written in the UN Charter.
4. The Mandate for Palestine boundaries were clear and exact, including the separation of Western Palestine (Israel) and Trans-Jordan.
5. The claim of the Jewish people was recognized and became fact in law through the Mandate for Palestine, which clearly gives over government control of the territory for the Mandate for Palestine to the Jewish people in service of their recognized right to re-constitute their national homeland in Palestine and references no other peoples as rights-holders (excluding Trans-Jordan). In the same way, the claim of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan was recognized in law through treaties and agreements with the Parties Concerned.
6. There has never been any legal division within the territory of the Western Mandate, therefore it remains an undivided territorial unit under territorial integrity of its sovereign.
7. Israel and Jordan developed their governments in accordance with the Montevideo Convention and with the conditions of the Mandates.
8. Israel and Jordan declare Independence from the Mandate.
9. Uti posseditis juris. The boundaries of the previous administration become the boundaries of the new States.
10. Both Israel and Jordan are admitted to the UN.
11. Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Egypt conquer and control territory outside their sovereign territorial boundaries by force. (Contrary to the UN Charter).

Now. Your arguments seem to be:
1. The UN Charter demands equal rights to self-determination, except the Jewish people are ineligible for that equal right, even when the Parties Concerned have explicitly recognized those rights and committed them to treaty law.
2. Jordan has a legal claim to territory outside its sovereign territory.

I have brought evidence for all my claims. Now bring me some evidence for yours.

 

[Kruska]

I always thought it you starting to post in bold red was the indicator of you losing an argument.

I've backed up every single one of my claims with the text of legal documents. IF you need me to do so again, I can, but if you are arguing this stuff, you should already know.

Here is the path I've outlined:
1. The Jewish people, just exactly the same as other peoples, put a claim in with the Parties Concerned.
2. The claim of the Jewish people was recognized in theory. Just the same as the claim of the Hashemite Kingdom was recognized in theory.
3. Both claims were based on equal rights to self-determination as written in the UN Charter.
4. The Mandate for Palestine boundaries were clear and exact, including the separation of Western Palestine (Israel) and Trans-Jordan.
5. The claim of the Jewish people was recognized and became fact in law through the Mandate for Palestine, which clearly gives over government control of the territory for the Mandate for Palestine to the Jewish people in service of their recognized right to re-constitute their national homeland in Palestine and references no other peoples as rights-holders (excluding Trans-Jordan). In the same way, the claim of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan was recognized in law through treaties and agreements with the Parties Concerned.
6. There has never been any legal division within the territory of the Western Mandate, therefore it remains an undivided territorial unit under territorial integrity of its sovereign.
7. Israel and Jordan developed their governments in accordance with the Montevideo Convention and with the conditions of the Mandates.
8. Israel and Jordan declare Independence from the Mandate.
9. Uti posseditis juris. The boundaries of the previous administration become the boundaries of the new States.
10. Both Israel and Jordan are admitted to the UN.
11. Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Egypt conquer and control territory outside their sovereign territorial boundaries by force. (Contrary to the UN Charter).

Now. Your arguments seem to be:
1. The UN Charter demands equal rights to self-determination, except the Jewish people are ineligible for that equal right, even when the Parties Concerned have explicitly recognized those rights and committed them to treaty law.
2. Jordan has a legal claim to territory outside its sovereign territory.

I have brought evidence for all my claims. Now bring me some evidence for yours.

Now show me that UN resolution, that would have stated - only Jews are allowed to participate in a referendum, that determines the future of the PEOPLES that live in Palestine.
And don't forget to present that map, where the British outlined/cartographed that supposed Jewish Homeland.

Or just read my signature VERY very slow and carefully

 

[Shusha]

Now show me that UN resolution, that would have stated - only Jews are allowed to participate in a referendum,

Show me the referendum. Or what you think the referendum might have been. I can't address it if I don't know what it is. Who is trying to secede? What are they trying to secede from? What is the territory of secession? What is the government of the seceding entity? (I don't know why you are bringing the UN into this. The UN is not required for a referendum to be called.)

And don't forget to present that map, where the British outlined/cartographed that supposed Jewish Homeland.

From the preamble of the Mandate for Palestine (emphasis mine):
to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them;

You have already provided said map of the boundaries fixed by the Powers for the Mandate for Palestine. You have also claimed that those boundaries are exact and precise. I concur. We agree. That's the map where the British delineated the (Western) Mandate for Palestine. Did you have another map which divides that territory with new boundaries? If not, the existing map is what we are working with. Everything else is just in your imagination.