Closure of Al-Aqsa mosque for first time by IOF terrorists

[Toddsterpatriot]

Before Jewish Nationalism (something that emerged from European Nationalism before Fascism took hold) infected Palestine, Jews and Muslims and Christians lived as neighbors, mostly peacefully as they had done for centuries despite the are being invaded by a succession of empires, the last being the Turks.

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The warped Zionism that now holds sway over most Jews in Israel is a destructive force, evil incarnate, it has destroyed peace, destroyed lives, destroyed Judaism almost.

The racism and hostility is alien to the region, imported from outside, its roots are in European racism and nationalism, racial supremacy and it is killing Jews, Muslims, Christians alike, supporting this evil force is something people will one day have to answer to God for.

Jews and Muslims and Christians lived as neighbors, mostly peacefully

Except for the occasional slaughters Muslims tend to commit.

 

[Shusha]

lived as neighbors, mostly peacefully

Mostly? I think you mean, "as long as Jews don't mind being massacred every couple of years".

 

[Shusha]

...Jewish Nationalism...

Why is it that Jewish nationalism seems to be uniquely problematic (inherently evil) in a world where and a time when self-determination was the emerging norm? I'm not making a comment about what Israel did with that nationalism (in response to events), I'm asking what is it about Jewish nationalism, as a concept, that is inherently so triggering?

 

[Shusha]

All this talk about how Jordan. When Jordan annexed the "west Bank" in 1950, that was considered against international law, in fact even by those in the Arab league.

Of course, it was in contravention of international law. Jordan had no claim to territory outside its borders and, as we are constantly reminded by the crowd, you can't claim territory taken in war. Wait, unless the Joooos are involved. Hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[Churchill]

Why is it that Jewish nationalism seems to be uniquely problematic (inherently evil) in a world where and a time when self-determination was the emerging norm? I'm not making a comment about what Israel did with that nationalism (in response to events), I'm asking what is it about Jewish nationalism, as a concept, that is inherently so triggering?

Think of German nationalism in the 1930s, what was it about that that was "so triggering"?

 

[USAF 2023]

Think of German nationalism in the 1930s, what was it about that that was "so triggering"?

German Nationalism was due to the domination of the Nazi Party. The Concentration Camps started to be built then

 

[Churchill]

Mostly? I think you mean, "as long as Jews don't mind being massacred every couple of years".

You can think whatever you like.

Using emotive terms like "massacres" does not a case make. There was of course conflict and Jews were not the only minority suffering that, Christians too were victims, they were massacred under the Crusader Kingdom for example, as well as Jews.

It was under the Nazis that massacres took place, not in Palestine, not under the Ottomans (who were invaders from Turkey).

If Palestine was known for "massacres" of Jews, explain why there was a net inward migration of Jews between the mid 19th century and the end of the Ottoman empire? The Jewish population went from around 10,000 to 80,000 during that time.

This proves that you are overstating the level of hostility, it was not a general characteristic of life in Palestine, as I said elsewhere violence and terrorism was imported by Zionist Nationalists and it has never ceased since.

Why would any intelligent Jew want to emigrate to Israel if the place was regarded as inherently antisemitic? why elect to go and live in a place surrounded by "antisemitic" hordes especially after the Holocaust? The only rational way to reconcile that is to recognize the obvious, Jews were not afraid to go and settle there because there was no mass antisemitism.

No Sir, the facts demonstrate that like most Zionists you need to establish some hugely inflated degree of victimhood in order to (attempt to) justify the cruelty inherent in neo-Zionism.

 

[Churchill]

German Nationalism was due to the domination of the Nazi Party. The Concentration Camps started to be built then

Indeed, so insofar as Jewish Nationalism is concerned look at what it does not at how its defenders choose to describe it, listen to the testimony of victims as we did the victims of the Third Reich in 1944.

 

[Churchill]

Jews and Muslims and Christians lived as neighbors, mostly peacefully

Except for the occasional slaughters Muslims tend to commit.

Christians slaughtered far more Jews and (non-Catholic) Christians under the Crusader Kingdom than anything under Muslim rule. in fact the Christian massacre of Jews in 1099 is by far the greatest massacre of Jews recorded in Palestine since the time of Christ.

Muslims are not antisemitic, of course you'd need to read history to know this, Fox News isn't the best place.

Antisemitism as a hatred of Jews is a by-product of politicized Christianity, this is why Muslims and Jews both revere the Old Testament, both believe in one God, share dietary laws.

 

[USAF 2023]

Indeed, so insofar as Jewish Nationalism is concerned look at what it does not at how its defenders choose to describe it, listen to the testimony of victims as we did the victims of the Third Reich in 1944.

It’s described as a return of indigenous people to their homeland

 

[Churchill]

It’s described as a return of indigenous people to their homeland

By ethnically cleansing the indigenous population, you left that part out.

I know how its described, and its not the same as how it actually is, Noam Chomsky used to be a Zionist:

 

[teddyearp]

Your above statement clearly proofs, that you know NOTHING about Palestinians nor Canaan's 8000 years history.

What does the word "proofs" mean?

Oh please show me the way to the stories you have about the 8,000 years of the Palestinian Peoples. I've only read those lies about 500,000 times before, but do try to entertain me with new ones.

Please.

How's about Solomon being a muslim? Yeah, don't you know, he built the Al Aqsa mosque, 1,700 years or so before Islam even existed.

 

[Churchill]

What does the word "proofs" mean?

Its the plural of "proof".

Oh please show me the way to the stories you have about the 8,000 years of the Palestinian Peoples. I've only read those lies about 500,000 times before, but do try to entertain me with new ones.

Please.

How's about Solomon being a muslim? Yeah, don't you know, he built the Al Aqsa mosque, 1,700 years or so before Islam even existed.

Are you actually arguing that only Jews have ever lived in Palestine? just what are you people smoking?

Born in America -> American
Born in Germany -> German
Born in Mexico -> Mexican
Born in Palestine -> Palestinian

Are you getting all this or am I going to fast?

 

[USAF 2023]

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By ethnically cleansing the indigenous population, you left that part out.

I know how its described, and its not the same as how it actually is, Noam Chomsky used to be a Zionist:

Jews having “ self determination “ inside a Palestinian State? Don’t think that would have worked out especially after the Holocaust. The Grand Mufti is just one small example of the hate they had for the Jewish people

By ethnically cleansing the indigenous population, you left that part out.

I know how its described, and its not the same as how it actually is, Noam Chomsky used to be a Zionist:

How does a Minority population obtain “ self determination “? Palestinians were always against the influx of Jews. The Grand Mufti is just one small example of the mindset. After WW 11 with the influx of Jews there would be a Civil War

 

[Churchill]

Jews having “ self determination “ inside a Palestinian State? Don’t think that would have worked out especially after the Holocaust.

The Holocaust took place in Europe it has nothing to do with Palestine. Arabs were the majority in Palestine, why should a privileged minority get the right to form a government over that majority? An egalitarian government is what was anticipated but the British in cahoots with the Zionists decided it was the way to go, the reward for all the Jewish money in WW1.

The Grand Mufti is just one small example of the hate they had for the Jewish people

Mufti? Do you know why he aligned with Hitler? Because they had a common enemy - the British, there was a war on, states aligned in various ways. Italy, Hungary etc also aligned with Hitler, do you blame Italians for the Holocaust?

How does a Minority population obtain “ self determination “? Palestinians were always against the influx of Jews. The Grand Mufti is just one small example of the mindset. After WW 11 with the influx of Jews there would be a Civil War

Through a constitution. Jews in Britain and the United States have self determination just as much as non-Jews do, or did this never cross your mind?

 

[Deadstick]

The Holocaust took place in Europe it has nothing to do with Palestine. Arabs were the majority in Palestine, why should a privileged minority get the right to form a government over that majority? An egalitarian government is what was anticipated but the British in cahoots with the Zionists decided it was the way to go, the reward for all the Jewish money in WW1.

Mufti? Do you know why he aligned with Hitler? Because they had a common enemy - the British, there was a war on, states aligned in various ways. Italy, Hungary etc also aligned with Hitler, do you blame Italians for the Holocaust?

Through a constitution. Jews in Britain and the United States have self determination just as much as non-Jews do, or did this never cross your mind?

They were not the only ones who aligned with Hitler the Zionist Lehi terrorists made contact with the Nazis with a offer of collaborating with them against the British in Palestine but the Nazis turned them down.

 

[Churchill]

They were not the only ones who aligned with Hitler the Zionist Lehi terrorists made contact with the Nazis with a offer of collaborating with them against the British in Palestine but the Nazis turned them down.

Thanks man, I actually had no idea, had never heard of the Lehi.

 

[Deadstick]

Thanks man, I actually had no idea, had never heard of the Lehi.

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Another thing that is never really talked about, that is the Jewish Ghetto police who operated in the Warsaw Ghetto and others, they took part in the ghetto roundups of other Jews for transport to the camps, i try not to be too critical because they were in a near impossible situation, but i could never have seen myself being part of that, for one thing even if they survived themselves living with that treachery for the rest of my life would have been impossible it would have haunted me forever.

 

[Kruska]

What does the word "proofs" mean?

Churchill already "professionally" explained it to you.

How's about Solomon being a muslim?

Only a total illiterate nutcase like you - would claim that.

Yeah, don't you know, he built the Al Aqsa mosque, 1,700 years or so before Islam even existed.

Only a total illiterate nutcase like you - would claim that.

Your shown ignorance and illiteracy is a disgrace, to even a Zionist

 

[Shusha]

Do you know Israel refuses to define its own borders,

Not so. Israel has defined borders. Always has, since the moment of her declaration of independence. Those borders can be found in a number of legal documents, including the peace treaties between Israel and Jordan and Israel and Egypt. There is no question where Israel's borders are.

How can one live comfortably near the "border" of Israel when it refuses to declare it as a border and can simply expand, force you out any time it chooses

Here's an idea -- don't make war on Israel, and she won't need to defend herself. It is disingenuous to ignore that whole part of the conflict, as though Israel is just taking land because she "chooses" to.

as it is doing now in South Lebanon, 1,000,000 non-Jews have been ethnically cleansed in a few weeks, just like in 1948.

Oh, please. Evacuations for war are not ethnic cleansing.