Obama on cusp of winning Iran nuclear vote

[Freewill]

Here is a short article on the deal, I am not sure what makes the deal historic.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/.../simple-guide-nuclear-talks-iran-us.html?_r=0

 

[Redfish]

Republicans had eight years to negotiate a deal with Iran.....they didn't even try

Obama was able to get Iran to come to the table while Republicans mocked the idea of actually negotiating

Obama, along with the other major world powers, worked out a deal. Like, most deals, each side does not get everything they wanted......but it is the best deal on the table

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

Totally wrong, the so-called deal ensures that they will get nuclear weapons. Plus we gave them billions of dollars to spend on non-nuclear weapons.

the Iranians took obozo and kerry to the cleaners, they got everything they wanted and we got nothing. Thats not a deal, its a surrender agreement.

 

[Redfish]

American conservatives, Israeli conservatives, Iranian conservatives - all united in their opposition to a nuclear deal for the same reason, their political positions depend on being able to scare their own people.

And those in favor are scaring us that the world will end if there is no agreement. Both sides use fear. We know what Iran will do, they told us.

No one is trying to say the world will end, they are just saying what you should have already known, we were on a path to eventual war with Iran that promised to be costlier, bloodier, more prolonged and more futile than Iraq.

bullshit, the sanctions were bringing them to their knees.

Did the clinton deal with north korea keep them from getting nukes? Duh----------------------------no

 

[Obiwan]

Republicans had eight years to negotiate a deal with Iran.....they didn't even try

Obama was able to get Iran to come to the table while Republicans mocked the idea of actually negotiating

Obama, along with the other major world powers, worked out a deal. Like, most deals, each side does not get everything they wanted......but it is the best deal on the table

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

Totally wrong, the so-called deal ensures that they will get nuclear weapons. Plus we gave them billions of dollars to spend on non-nuclear weapons.

the Iranians took obozo and kerry to the cleaners, they got everything they wanted and we got nothing. Thats not a deal, its a surrender agreement.

 

[Bfgrn]

The best deal is worse then no deal when dealing with terrorism. All I need as proof is that they changed their vote. Nothing else has changed. This is a vote on Obama's legacy. Letting a sworn enemy, an enemy that has sworn to continue to fund terrorism against us just does not make sense. Except to try and preserve some sort of legacy for Obama and I am afraid that legacy will be a suitcase nuke.

It is the best deal Neville Chamberlain Kerry and Obama can get.

Here's a better deal...cancel the deal and have ZERO inspections of Iran's nuclear program...

Terrorist need nuclear weapons to REALLY take over the world...

 

[Obiwan]

The best deal is worse then no deal when dealing with terrorism. All I need as proof is that they changed their vote. Nothing else has changed. This is a vote on Obama's legacy. Letting a sworn enemy, an enemy that has sworn to continue to fund terrorism against us just does not make sense. Except to try and preserve some sort of legacy for Obama and I am afraid that legacy will be a suitcase nuke.

It is the best deal Neville Chamberlain Kerry and Obama can get.

Here's a better deal...cancel the deal and have ZERO inspections of Iran's nuclear program...

Terrorist need nuclear weapons to REALLY take over the world...

So tell us how depending on Iran to inspect their own facilities and turn themselves in will help.

 

[occupied]

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

Republicans had eight years to negotiate a deal with Iran.....they didn't even try

Obama was able to get Iran to come to the table while Republicans mocked the idea of actually negotiating

Obama, along with the other major world powers, worked out a deal. Like, most deals, each side does not get everything they wanted......but it is the best deal on the table

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

What make you believe they are going to stop their current par to develop a weapon?


They said so?

and you believe them.

The day, or the day after, the deal was agreed on, one of the top mullahs was chanting 'Death to America"


You believe them.

Common sense says not to.

Yeah those "death to America" clerics are exactly the same as our own warhawk conservatives and the Zionists, they say a whole bunch of apocalyptic shit and issue threats but it's for domestic consumption. Who gives a **** what they say to keep their followers happy and scared? Following the rules of the deal is all that matters. Iran is poised to come out of this insular phase as the last people who remember their revolution die off.

 

[Darkwind]

American conservatives, Israeli conservatives, Iranian conservatives - all united in their opposition to a nuclear deal for the same reason, their political positions depend on being able to scare their own people.

And those in favor are scaring us that the world will end if there is no agreement. Both sides use fear. We know what Iran will do, they told us.

No one is trying to say the world will end, they are just saying what you should have already known, we were on a path to eventual war with Iran that promised to be costlier, bloodier, more prolonged and more futile than Iraq.

We were not.

 

[Bfgrn]

So tell us how depending on Iran to inspect their own facilities and turn themselves in will help.

I already debunked your "Iran to inspect their own facilities" bullshit. But when did facts ever stop dogma and ignorance?

 

[Redfish]

The best deal is worse then no deal when dealing with terrorism. All I need as proof is that they changed their vote. Nothing else has changed. This is a vote on Obama's legacy. Letting a sworn enemy, an enemy that has sworn to continue to fund terrorism against us just does not make sense. Except to try and preserve some sort of legacy for Obama and I am afraid that legacy will be a suitcase nuke.

It is the best deal Neville Chamberlain Kerry and Obama can get.

Here's a better deal...cancel the deal and have ZERO inspections of Iran's nuclear program...

Terrorist need nuclear weapons to REALLY take over the world...

The so-called deal won't stop terrorists. The sanctions were destroying Iran's economy, they were working. With the sanctions in place they could not afford a nuclear program. Now, they have money and freedom to build whatever they want and sell them to whoever they want.

The naivte of obozo and you libs about the iranians is amazing. Their leaders scream "death to america and israel" and you silly ***** just laugh and say they don't really mean it.

liberalism is truly a mental disease.

 

[Redfish]

The best deal is worse then no deal when dealing with terrorism. All I need as proof is that they changed their vote. Nothing else has changed. This is a vote on Obama's legacy. Letting a sworn enemy, an enemy that has sworn to continue to fund terrorism against us just does not make sense. Except to try and preserve some sort of legacy for Obama and I am afraid that legacy will be a suitcase nuke.

It is the best deal Neville Chamberlain Kerry and Obama can get.

Here's a better deal...cancel the deal and have ZERO inspections of Iran's nuclear program...

Terrorist need nuclear weapons to REALLY take over the world...

Here's a better deal. Give Israel the green light to take out all of Iran's nuclear facilities, then the risk of iranian nukes would truly be zero.

Do you think the ayatollah is joking when he says, death to america and israel? are you that dumb?

 

[Redfish]

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

Republicans had eight years to negotiate a deal with Iran.....they didn't even try

Obama was able to get Iran to come to the table while Republicans mocked the idea of actually negotiating

Obama, along with the other major world powers, worked out a deal. Like, most deals, each side does not get everything they wanted......but it is the best deal on the table

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

What make you believe they are going to stop their current par to develop a weapon?


They said so?

and you believe them.

The day, or the day after, the deal was agreed on, one of the top mullahs was chanting 'Death to America"


You believe them.

Common sense says not to.

Yeah those "death to America" clerics are exactly the same as our own warhawk conservatives and the Zionists, they say a whole bunch of apocalyptic shit and issue threats but it's for domestic consumption. Who gives a **** what they say to keep their followers happy and scared? Following the rules of the deal is all that matters. Iran is poised to come out of this insular phase as the last people who remember their revolution die off.

He is the leader of the country and commander in chief of their military. He is a virtual dictator.

Him saying that would be like Putin saying death to the UK. Do you think the UK would take such a statement seriously?

 

[occupied]

American conservatives, Israeli conservatives, Iranian conservatives - all united in their opposition to a nuclear deal for the same reason, their political positions depend on being able to scare their own people.

And those in favor are scaring us that the world will end if there is no agreement. Both sides use fear. We know what Iran will do, they told us.

No one is trying to say the world will end, they are just saying what you should have already known, we were on a path to eventual war with Iran that promised to be costlier, bloodier, more prolonged and more futile than Iraq.

We were not.

Saying that only proves that you do not pay attention, do not know anything about Iran and still trust the people who said that Saddam was an imminent threat to America and it's allies.

 

[Obiwan]

So tell us how depending on Iran to inspect their own facilities and turn themselves in will help.

I already debunked your "Iran to inspect their own facilities" bullshit. But when did facts ever stop dogma and ignorance?

News from The Associated Press

 

[rightwinger]

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

Republicans had eight years to negotiate a deal with Iran.....they didn't even try

Obama was able to get Iran to come to the table while Republicans mocked the idea of actually negotiating

Obama, along with the other major world powers, worked out a deal. Like, most deals, each side does not get everything they wanted......but it is the best deal on the table

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

What make you believe they are going to stop their current path to develop a weapon?


They said so?

and you believe them.

The day, or the day after, the deal was agreed on, one of the top mullahs was chanting 'Death to America"


You believe them.

Common sense says not to.

How do we know

Because we insist they destroy their existing stockpiles of enriched uranium and destroy centerfuges. Once that is verified, sanctions begin to be lifted

 

[occupied]

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

Republicans had eight years to negotiate a deal with Iran.....they didn't even try

Obama was able to get Iran to come to the table while Republicans mocked the idea of actually negotiating

Obama, along with the other major world powers, worked out a deal. Like, most deals, each side does not get everything they wanted......but it is the best deal on the table

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

What make you believe they are going to stop their current par to develop a weapon?


They said so?

and you believe them.

The day, or the day after, the deal was agreed on, one of the top mullahs was chanting 'Death to America"


You believe them.

Common sense says not to.

Yeah those "death to America" clerics are exactly the same as our own warhawk conservatives and the Zionists, they say a whole bunch of apocalyptic shit and issue threats but it's for domestic consumption. Who gives a **** what they say to keep their followers happy and scared? Following the rules of the deal is all that matters. Iran is poised to come out of this insular phase as the last people who remember their revolution die off.

He is the leader of the country and commander in chief of their military. He is a virtual dictator.

Him saying that would be like Putin saying death to the UK. Do you think the UK would take such a statement seriously?

That "threat" has been issued daily since the 1980s, repeat something often enough and it becomes meaningless.

 

[rightwinger]

The best deal is worse then no deal when dealing with terrorism. All I need as proof is that they changed their vote. Nothing else has changed. This is a vote on Obama's legacy. Letting a sworn enemy, an enemy that has sworn to continue to fund terrorism against us just does not make sense. Except to try and preserve some sort of legacy for Obama and I am afraid that legacy will be a suitcase nuke.

It is the best deal Neville Chamberlain Kerry and Obama can get.

Here's a better deal...cancel the deal and have ZERO inspections of Iran's nuclear program...

Terrorist need nuclear weapons to REALLY take over the world...

The so-called deal won't stop terrorists. The sanctions were destroying Iran's economy, they were working. With the sanctions in place they could not afford a nuclear program. Now, they have money and freedom to build whatever they want and sell them to whoever they want.

The naivte of obozo and you libs about the iranians is amazing. Their leaders scream "death to america and israel" and you silly ***** just laugh and say they don't really mean it.

liberalism is truly a mental disease.

The deal is to remove Iran from the nuclear brink

If they are found to be increasing their support of terrorism, what can we do?
Return to economic sanctions

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The best deal is worse then no deal when dealing with terrorism. All I need as proof is that they changed their vote. Nothing else has changed. This is a vote on Obama's legacy. Letting a sworn enemy, an enemy that has sworn to continue to fund terrorism against us just does not make sense. Except to try and preserve some sort of legacy for Obama and I am afraid that legacy will be a suitcase nuke.

It is the best deal Neville Chamberlain Kerry and Obama can get.

Guy, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Ronnie Reagan called Osama bin Laden a "Freedom Fighter" when he was killing Russians trying to teach Afghan Girls how to read. He only became a "terrorist" when he was knocking down buildings filled with corporate types.

So let's stop the whining about "Terrorism", shall we?

This is a good deal in that it gives us grounds to take action if Iran cheats. It's a good deal in that it gives us the ability to inspect Iran's activities.

The Jew Lobby isn't worried IRan will get a nuke. They've been claiming Iran is on the cusp of getting a nuke since 1992, and Iran is no closer now than they were then.

The Jew Lobby is worried Iran will work its way back into polite international society. That they will have to encounter Iranian Diplomats at UN Functions discussing what to do about the Middle East.

Lying ********** gotta lie

 

[LoneLaugher]

You know.....all this time I thought Redfish was kind of stupid. But his posts in this thread have made me change my mind.

 

[Obiwan]

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

Republicans had eight years to negotiate a deal with Iran.....they didn't even try

Obama was able to get Iran to come to the table while Republicans mocked the idea of actually negotiating

Obama, along with the other major world powers, worked out a deal. Like, most deals, each side does not get everything they wanted......but it is the best deal on the table

Walk away and it means Iran continues on its current path to develop a weapon

What make you believe they are going to stop their current path to develop a weapon?


They said so?

and you believe them.

The day, or the day after, the deal was agreed on, one of the top mullahs was chanting 'Death to America"


You believe them.

Common sense says not to.

How do we know

Because we insist they destroy their existing stockpiles of enriched uranium and destroy centerfuges. Once that is verified, sanctions begin to be lifted

The odd reality of Iran's centrifuges: Enough for a bomb, not power