CDZ Obama Impeachment

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

I'm here on this thread, right here, right now. And now's your chance to prove otherwise.

This thread deals with the impeachment of Obama.

I understand why you wish to derail it - but this is the CDZ, so your trolling may have consequences.

Impeachment is a waste of time.

Just castrate it and move on. Let him be a figurehead for the next two years.

 

[Syriusly]

Extortion is a crime- however

You claiming that Obama committed a crime doesn't make it so.

True, it is his ACTIONS that make it so.

{The ability to destroy legal industries through secret actions to deprive them of banking services has obvious political consequences. For example, it was reported last week that firearms shops are alleging that Operation Choke Point is being used to pressure banks into refusing to providing financial services. There are also reports that porn stars (and here) have had their bank accounts terminated for “moral” reasons related to the “reputation risk” of banking individuals in the porn industry. IRS officials must already be salivating about ways to apply Operation Choke Point to tea party groups.}

8220 Operation Choke Point 8221 - The Washington Post

Obama is a criminal.

That party hacks don't care because party alone is their concern does no alter reality.

You claiming that prosecutorial actions are extortion also does not make it a crime.

IF Congress ever does go for impeachment- they won't even mention Operation Choke Point.

These are not prosecutorial acts - no one alleges that any crimes were committed. The administration acted against political enemies who were suspected of no crimes, much less charged with any,

This was a simple, Chicago style Mafia extortion racket.

That you support your party and don't care that they engage in crime does not alter the facts.

An editorial is not evidence of a crime.

Here is the NY Times article on Choke

Federal prosecutors are trying to thwart the easy access that predatory lenders and dubious online merchants have to Americans’ bank accounts by going after banks that fail to meet their obligations as gatekeepers to the United States financial system.

The Justice Department is weighing civil and criminal actions against dozens of banks, sending out subpoenas to more than 50 payment processors and the banks that do business with them, according to government officials.

In the new initiative, called “Operation Choke Point,” the agency is scrutinizing banks both big and small over whether they, in exchange for handsome fees, enable businesses to illegally siphon billions of dollars from consumers’ checking accounts, according to state and federal officials briefed on the investigation.

The critical role played by banks largely plays out in the shadows because they typically do not deal directly with the Internet merchants. What they do is provide banking services to third-party payment processors, financial middlemen that, in turn, handle

In the first action under Operation Choke Point, Justice Department officials brought a lawsuit this month against Four Oaks Bank of Four Oaks, N.C., accusing the bank of being “deliberately ignorant” that it was processing payments on behalf of unscrupulous merchants — including payday lenders and a Ponzi scheme. As a result, prosecutors say, the bank enabled the companies to illegally withdraw more than $2.4 billion from the checking accounts of customers across the country.

The lawsuit, which includes reams of internal bank documents, offers the most vivid look yet at how some senior bank executives brushed off warning signs of fraud while collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars in fees. While the bank has reached a tentative $1.2 million settlement with federal prosecutors, the impact of the lawsuit extends far beyond Four Oaks, and federal prosecutors say this points to a problem rippling fast across the banking industry.

Banks are required under the Bank Secrecy Act, a federal law that requires banks to maintain internal checks against money laundering, to thwart suspicious activity by thoroughly examining both their customers and the companies their customers do business with. But until recently, they have largely escaped scrutiny for their role providing financial services to the payment processors.

That is not extortion- that is investigation and prosecutorial discretion.

 

[Carla_Danger]

"Then why are deportations at an all time high?"

They aren't , that's been debunked eight ways 'til Sunday.

No, it's a fact.

Once again, just because someone does not like the actual figures, lies about them become so over used that people think that the lies are facts.

No, it's not a fact sir

Lies damned lies and Obama s deportation statistics - The Washington Post

Sorry, but you've bought into the propaganda on that one

Um, that's an opinion blog.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Impeachment is a waste of time.

Just castrate it and move on. Let him be a figurehead for the next two years.

Obama is a criminal, openly and in your face. IF we are ever to be a nation of laws again, Obama must be held accountable for his crimes.

I applauded the removal of Nixon - it made clear that no man is above the law, that the president of the United States must obey the same laws that the trash truck driver in Compton obeys.

This is no longer the case, Obama holds himself above the law. This is the most outrageous and flagrant act of corruption in our nations history. If we fail to hold an open crook accountable for his crimes, then we can never again claim to be a nation of law; we will have acknowledged that we have one law for the commoners, and a very different law for the powerful elite. We will institutionalize corruption as a normal part of our government.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

"Then why are deportations at an all time high?"

They aren't , that's been debunked eight ways 'til Sunday.

No, it's a fact.

Once again, just because someone does not like the actual figures, lies about them become so over used that people think that the lies are facts.

No, it's not a fact sir

Lies damned lies and Obama s deportation statistics - The Washington Post

Sorry, but you've bought into the propaganda on that one

You quoted a blog?

That information is INCORRECT.

Please use Homeland securities own figures and not some blogger!

For example -

See how the Obama administration has started deporting more alien criminals, then his predecessors?

 

[Uncensored2008]

An editorial is not evidence of a crime.

Here is the NY Times article on Choke

LOL, the NY Times. what, was Rachel Maddow busy?

Would it be extortion if a Republican did it against abortion clinics?

You know full well it would be.

 

[Carla_Danger]

I'm here on this thread, right here, right now. And now's your chance to prove otherwise.

This thread deals with the impeachment of Obama.

I understand why you wish to derail it - but this is the CDZ, so your trolling may have consequences.

And how do you see President Obama being impeached over a law that Congress enacted?

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

I'm here on this thread, right here, right now. And now's your chance to prove otherwise.

This thread deals with the impeachment of Obama.

I understand why you wish to derail it - but this is the CDZ, so your trolling may have consequences.

The moderators will moderate the threads, thank you anyway.

 

[Syriusly]

An editorial is not evidence of a crime.

Here is the NY Times article on Choke

LOL, the NY Times. what, was Rachel Maddow busy?

Would it be extortion if a Republican did it against abortion clinics?

You know full well it would be.

No- it wouldn't be extortion then either.

For example this case was not 'extortion'- it was considered improper legal action.

Kansas Supreme Court Suspends Ex-Attorney General Over Abortion Investigation

The Kansas Supreme Court on Friday indefinitely suspended former Attorney General Phillip Kline (R), who investigated abortion doctor George Tiller, from the practice of law in the state.

The court cited "clear and convincing evidence" that Kline committed 11 violations of attorney conduct rules while investigating abortion clinics as attorney general and for his role in a grand jury investigation while serving as Johnson County district attorney.

"Ultimately, we unanimously conclude the weight of the aggravating factors--i.e., Kline's inability or refusal to acknowledge the line between overzealous advocacy and operating within the bounds of the law and his professional obligations; his selfish motives; and his lengthy and substantial pattern of misconduct--weigh more heavily than the mitigating factors and merit his indefinite suspension," the court wrote in its opinion.

The court's findings against Kline, who served as Kansas attorney general from 2003 to 2007, stem from a complaint first filed against him in 2010. As TPM reported at the time, Kline was accused of "dispatching staff to record license plates of women entering George Tiller's abortion clinic, getting records from a motel where patients stayed, and obtaining state medical files under false pretenses, then retaining them after his term as AG was over and repeatedly lying about it in court." These alleged actions occurred during Kline's pursuit of Tiller, who ran Women's Health Care Services in Wichita, Kan., and who was shot to death in 2009.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

Obama is a criminal, openly and in your face. IF we are ever to be a nation of laws again, Obama must be held accountable for his crimes.

I applauded the removal of Nixon - it made clear that no man is above the law, that the president of the United States must obey the same laws that the trash truck driver in Compton obeys.

This is no longer the case, Obama holds himself above the law. This is the most outrageous and flagrant act of corruption in our nations history. If we fail to hold an open crook accountable for his crimes, then we can never again claim to be a nation of law; we will have acknowledged that we have one law for the commoners, and a very different law for the powerful elite. We will institutionalize corruption as a normal part of our government.

Nixon was not removed from office, he resigned.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No- it wouldn't be extortion then either.

For example this case was not 'extortion'- it was considered improper legal action.

Kansas Supreme Court Suspends Ex-Attorney General Over Abortion Investigation

The Kansas Supreme Court on Friday indefinitely suspended former Attorney General Phillip Kline (R), who investigated abortion doctor George Tiller, from the practice of law in the state.

The court cited "clear and convincing evidence" that Kline committed 11 violations of attorney conduct rules while investigating abortion clinics as attorney general and for his role in a grand jury investigation while serving as Johnson County district attorney.

"Ultimately, we unanimously conclude the weight of the aggravating factors--i.e., Kline's inability or refusal to acknowledge the line between overzealous advocacy and operating within the bounds of the law and his professional obligations; his selfish motives; and his lengthy and substantial pattern of misconduct--weigh more heavily than the mitigating factors and merit his indefinite suspension," the court wrote in its opinion.

The court's findings against Kline, who served as Kansas attorney general from 2003 to 2007, stem from a complaint first filed against him in 2010. As TPM reported at the time, Kline was accused of "dispatching staff to record license plates of women entering George Tiller's abortion clinic, getting records from a motel where patients stayed, and obtaining state medical files under false pretenses, then retaining them after his term as AG was over and repeatedly lying about it in court." These alleged actions occurred during Kline's pursuit of Tiller, who ran Women's Health Care Services in Wichita, Kan., and who was shot to death in 2009.

These events have no similarity - I have no idea what point you are attempting to make.

Let's make this simple; if President Cruz orders his AG Sarah Palin to serve all banks who do business with Planned Parenthood subpoenas repeatedly until they cease engaging in business with PP or they go out of business, would that be extortion?

Bear in mind, should Obama get away with his crimes, the above is a very real possibility.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Nixon was not removed from office, he resigned.

He resigned because unlike democrats, the Republicans had integrity and made it clear they would impeach.

He was removed by his own party. But again, unlike democrats, the Republicans of the time had integrity.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

He resigned because unlike democrats, the Republicans had integrity and made it clear they would impeach.

He was removed by his own party. But again, unlike democrats, the Republicans of the time had integrity.

WHAT?!?

He resigned because he was guilty, not because he had integrity!

Integrity? PRESIDENT NIXON ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire special prosecutor Archibald Cox, who was appointed special prosecutor to investigate the events surrounding the Watergate break-in!!!

You CANNOT be serious!!!!!

By the way, Cox was appointed by the Attorney General. Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest.

There's your "integrity!"

 

[Uncensored2008]

[QUOTE="Mad_Cabbie, post: 10211193, member: 45886"

WHAT?!?

He resigned because he was guilty, not because he had integrity![/quote]

Read for content, I said the Republicans had integrity, particularly Goldwater - who assured Nixon that he would move to impeach.

There is not a single democrat in any function of government with so much as a hint of integrity, so don't expect Harry Reid to assure Obama that he will seek his removal.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

WHAT?!?

He resigned because he was guilty, not because he had integrity!

Read for content, I said the Republicans had integrity, particularly Goldwater - who assured Nixon that he would move to impeach.

There is not a single democrat in any function of government with so much as a hint of integrity, so don't expect Harry Reid to assure Obama that he will seek his removal.

Nixon was a lost cause, Congress had to act or they would have been next.

Here is a reminder of what kind of Republicans we had in office at that time:


In the aftermath of Richard Nixon’s resignation, Watergate continued to claim victims.

The final toll included:

• one presidential resignation
  
  
  
  
• one vice-presidential resignation – although Agnew’s crimes were unrelated to Watergate
  
  
  
  
• 40 government officials indicted or jailed
  
  
  
  
• H.R. Haldeman and John Erlichman (White House staff), resigned 30 April 1973, subsequently jailed
  
  
  
  
• John Dean (White House legal counsel), sacked 30 April 1973, subsequently jailed
  
  
  
  
• John Mitchell, Attorney-General and Chairman of the Committee to Re-elect the President (CREEP), jailed
  
  
  
  
• Howard Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy (ex-White House staff), planned the Watergate break-in, both jailed
  
  
  
  
• Charles Colson, special counsel to the President, jailed
  
  
  
  
• James McCord (Security Director of CREEP), jailed

 

[Carla_Danger]

He resigned because unlike democrats, the Republicans had integrity and made it clear they would impeach.

He was removed by his own party. But again, unlike democrats, the Republicans of the time had integrity.

WHAT?!?

He resigned because he was guilty, not because he had integrity!

Integrity? PRESIDENT NIXON ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire special prosecutor Archibald Cox, who was appointed special prosecutor to investigate the events surrounding the Watergate break-in!!!

You CANNOT be serious!!!!!

By the way, Cox was appointed by the Attorney General. Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest.

There's your "integrity!"

LOL, apparently they have a different meaning for the word "integrity."

Back to the OP. Obama is well within his Constitutional rights to shape immigration policy. He's not going to get impeached. And I predict the R's will shut down the Government in May of 2015.

 

[Syriusly]

No- it wouldn't be extortion then either.

For example this case was not 'extortion'- it was considered improper legal action.

Kansas Supreme Court Suspends Ex-Attorney General Over Abortion Investigation

The Kansas Supreme Court on Friday indefinitely suspended former Attorney General Phillip Kline (R), who investigated abortion doctor George Tiller, from the practice of law in the state.

The court cited "clear and convincing evidence" that Kline committed 11 violations of attorney conduct rules while investigating abortion clinics as attorney general and for his role in a grand jury investigation while serving as Johnson County district attorney.

"Ultimately, we unanimously conclude the weight of the aggravating factors--i.e., Kline's inability or refusal to acknowledge the line between overzealous advocacy and operating within the bounds of the law and his professional obligations; his selfish motives; and his lengthy and substantial pattern of misconduct--weigh more heavily than the mitigating factors and merit his indefinite suspension," the court wrote in its opinion.

The court's findings against Kline, who served as Kansas attorney general from 2003 to 2007, stem from a complaint first filed against him in 2010. As TPM reported at the time, Kline was accused of "dispatching staff to record license plates of women entering George Tiller's abortion clinic, getting records from a motel where patients stayed, and obtaining state medical files under false pretenses, then retaining them after his term as AG was over and repeatedly lying about it in court." These alleged actions occurred during Kline's pursuit of Tiller, who ran Women's Health Care Services in Wichita, Kan., and who was shot to death in 2009.

These events have no similarity - I have no idea what point you are attempting to make.

Let's make this simple; if President Cruz orders his AG Sarah Palin to serve all banks who do business with Planned Parenthood subpoenas repeatedly until they cease engaging in business with PP or they go out of business, would that be extortion?

Bear in mind, should Obama get away with his crimes, the above is a very real possibility.

First of all- we have established that your claims about Obama and crimes are just your imagination.

Secondly if a President were to order the AG to use the power of the Justice Department to abuse authority to shut a business down- that would not be extortion either- that would an abuse of authority.

Of course it would have to be established that any of that was actually happening.

 

[Syriusly]

Nixon was not removed from office, he resigned.

He resigned because unlike democrats, the Republicans had integrity and made it clear they would impeach.

He was removed by his own party. But again, unlike democrats, the Republicans of the time had integrity.

Now all you have to do is find examples of Obama actually covering up a burglary or other such crime....which you clearly haven't been able to do.

 

[Publius1787]

I'm starting this thread in the CDZ because I'd like at least a semi-serious explanation without all the partisan BS about the constitutionality of impeachment of Obama. I'd really like to know.

What is the constitutional argument for impeaching Obama? What has he done that is an impeachable offense?

A President doesn't need break the law in the eyes of the court to be impeached. All that is necessary is that congress simply decides to impeach him. With that out of the way, yes, what Obama is doing is an impeachable offense. He may or may not have prosecutorial discretion to simply ignore 5,000,000 illegal immigrants. That is up for debate. However, he does not have the power to offer work visas to 5,000,000 illegal immigrants. That is clear.

However, Obama will not be impeached for two reasons. 1) It is politically unpopular and democrats would stand up for one of their own on almost any impeachable offense. 2) Obama is black and impeaching him would ignite cries of racism.

Indeed, the question on whether he should be impeached is negated by the political unpopularity of impeachment and democrats who could care less about the rule of law. What's right isn't always what's popular and what's popular isn't always what's right. Obama can do pretty much whatever he wants with the knowledge that congress doesn't have the votes or the willpower to impeach him. While this may seem like a constitutional crisis, the true crisis will ensue if Obama uses his pardoning power to do the same.

 

[Publius1787]

I'm starting this thread in the CDZ because I'd like at least a semi-serious explanation without all the partisan BS about the constitutionality of impeachment of Obama. I'd really like to know.

What is the constitutional argument for impeaching Obama? What has he done that is an impeachable offense?

A President doesn't need break the law in the eyes of the court to be impeached. All that is necessary is that congress simply decides to impeach him. With that out of the way, yes, what Obama is doing is an impeachable offense. He may or may not have prosecutorial discretion to simply ignore 5,000,000 illegal immigrants. That is up for debate. However, he does not have the power to offer work visas to 5,000,000 illegal immigrants to compete against legal residence. That is clear.

However, Obama will not be impeached for two reasons. 1) It is politically unpopular and democrats would stand up for one of their own on almost any impeachable offense. 2) Obama is black and impeaching him would ignite cries of racism.

Indeed, the question on whether he should be impeached is negated by the political unpopularity of impeachment and democrats who could care less about the rule of law. What's right isn't always what's popular and what's popular isn't always what's right. Obama can do pretty much whatever he wants with the knowledge that congress doesn't have the votes or the willpower to impeach him. While this may seem like a constitutional crisis, the true crisis will ensue if Obama uses his pardoning power to do the same.