Obama: GOP 'Holy Grail' Is 'Making Sure 30 Million People Don't Have Healthcare'

[thereisnospoon]

No president in history has been as divisive as Barry Hussein. Most presidents are careful to keep their speech moderate but the former community anarchist (excuse me, activist) apparently doesn't know any better.

Obama has never stopped campaigning.
That is why his words are so divisive.
Instead of leading the nation and representing ALL of the people, Obama has remained partisan as the candidate for the 2008 election.
For is it not leadership or greatness which he seeks, but political power for the democrat party.

 

[thereisnospoon]

He tried for years to reach across, now he's telling it like it is- The GOP is a bunch of greedy a-holes and their silly brainwashed dupes, now imploding under the weight of their own BS.Couldn't happen to a bigger bunch of ignorant fools. LOL

You should have looked in the mirror and stopped at "ignorant".

 

[thereisnospoon]

He tried for years to reach across, now he's telling it like it is- The GOP is a bunch of greedy a-holes and their silly brainwashed dupes, now imploding under the weight of their own BS.Couldn't happen to a bigger bunch of ignorant fools. LOL

get off you knees, the man never tried to reach across shit...he walked in his first meeting with them and said, I WON...

figures you would admire someone who is an ass and a LIAR..

franco is a true believer. A follower. There is little use in replying to his insipid pap.
If Obama stopped short, Franco would get shit on his nose.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Obama: GOP 'Holy Grail' Is 'Making Sure 30 Million People Don't Have Healthcare'

Friday, Barack “Reach Across the Aisle” Obama had an amped-up message for low-information voters: It is the “holy grail” of Republicans to make sure that 30 million Americans don’t have health insurance.

As reported by The Hill, in addition to saying that blocking ObamaCare has become the GOP’s “holy grail,” Obama called Republican opposition to his troubled healthcare plan (which is opposed by ever-increasing percentage of Americans) an “ideological fixation” as well.

Not only is this guy absolutely horrendous with a terrible record of reaching across the aisle outstanding at “reaching across the aisle,” he’s also pretty good at ridiculing, too. (You don’t suppose he means “fixation” as in his fixation with redistributing wealth, do you?)

Obama: GOP 'Holy Grail' Is 'Making Sure 30 Million People Don't Have Healthcare' | Independent Journal Review

Then prove the president wrong and explain to everyone exactly how the GOP plans to insure 30 million Americans once the ACA is repealed.

It is not the job of government( taxpayers) to force people to be insured.
That is a CHOICE. And quite frankly there are programs already in place for the poor and low income to become insured for their medical needs.
Where did you get the idea that government should get into the health insurance business?

 

[dblack]

Obama: GOP 'Holy Grail' Is 'Making Sure 30 Million People Don't Have Healthcare'


Obama: GOP 'Holy Grail' Is 'Making Sure 30 Million People Don't Have Healthcare' | Independent Journal Review

Then prove the president wrong and explain to everyone exactly how the GOP plans to insure 30 million Americans once the ACA is repealed.

It is not the job of government( taxpayers) to force people to be insured.
That is a CHOICE. And quite frankly there are programs already in place for the poor and low income to become insured for their medical needs.
Where did you get the idea that government should get into the health insurance business?

yep. That's pretty much it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The GOP is at fault, they are the ones that are pro business, and through pro business people influencing the legislation in the nation to make themselves money, and then the GOP acts all innocent playing like is not at all part of the scam.

Got some facts to back up that statement?
Have fun. Because you are wrong.
You need look no farther than Washington for the reasons why health insurance and medical care prices are what they are.
But for government interference in the medical care and medical insurance industries, none of this would be happening.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Then prove the president wrong and explain to everyone exactly how the GOP plans to insure 30 million Americans once the ACA is repealed.

The GOP does not need a plan to insure 30 million Americans.

1. There aren't that many without insurance.
2. The government has no business forcing Me to pay for someones insurance.

The law needs to be repealed and not replaced.

So if Medicaid were ended altogether, which is your above stated desire, how would poor people who are currently using Medicaid pay for the healthcare they need?

Would they just go without? Is that what you believe would make America a better place...if we make sure that the poor fully suffer the consequences of being poor?

Some sort Darwinian social justice?

Another lib opens the playbook and evokes the all or nothing straw man argument.

 

[thereisnospoon]

It's far worse than the President described it, when you're talking about the Republicans and healthcare;

the Ryan budget plan, which would be law if the GOP ever got control of Congress and the presidency, would cut 31% out of Medicaid and CHIP over ten years.

Ryan Block Grant Proposal Would Cut Medicaid by Nearly One-Third by 2023 and More After That ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Another good example of how the primary goal of GOP economic/domestic policy is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

it's FAR worse than what you think.....Medicaid is going broke....Medicare is going broke....so what do the Dumbocrats do....create an even BIGGER boondoggle....Obumblecare...

the well-thought out Ryan budget plan would actually SAVE Medicaid/Medicare....and help direct it back to the free market....thus providing reliable help to the truly needy and everybodys' granny....

liberals really don't care about the poor....they just want to socialize (i.e. conrol) everybody's healthcare.....which will only deliver much poorer quality care and rationed care....the horrors of 'universal' healthcare are out there if you only care to look....that's why Congressmen and their staff make sure they aren't included in the plans...

These progressives think the answer to inefficient or failing government programs is more and larger government programs.
These progressives also believe the road to economic growth is through increased government spending.

 

[thereisnospoon]

It's far worse than the President described it, when you're talking about the Republicans and healthcare;

the Ryan budget plan, which would be law if the GOP ever got control of Congress and the presidency, would cut 31% out of Medicaid and CHIP over ten years.

Ryan Block Grant Proposal Would Cut Medicaid by Nearly One-Third by 2023 and More After That ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Another good example of how the primary goal of GOP economic/domestic policy is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

it's FAR worse than what you think.....Medicaid is going broke....Medicare is going broke....so what do the Dumbocrats do....create an even BIGGER boondoggle....Obumblecare...

the well-thought out Ryan budget plan would actually SAVE Medicaid/Medicare....and help direct it back to the free market....thus providing reliable help to the truly needy and everybodys' granny....

liberals really don't care about the poor....they just want to socialize (i.e. conrol) everybody's healthcare.....which will only deliver much poorer quality care and rationed care....the horrors of 'universal' healthcare are out there if you only care to look....that's why Congressmen and their staff make sure they aren't included in the plans...

Explain how the 'free market' provides healthcare for people who can't afford healthcare.

Who cannot afford 'health care'?
Be specific.
Define 'health care'.

 

[thereisnospoon]

It's far worse than the President described it, when you're talking about the Republicans and healthcare;

the Ryan budget plan, which would be law if the GOP ever got control of Congress and the presidency, would cut 31% out of Medicaid and CHIP over ten years.

Ryan Block Grant Proposal Would Cut Medicaid by Nearly One-Third by 2023 and More After That ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Another good example of how the primary goal of GOP economic/domestic policy is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

it's FAR worse than what you think.....Medicaid is going broke....Medicare is going broke....so what do the Dumbocrats do....create an even BIGGER boondoggle....Obumblecare...

the well-thought out Ryan budget plan would actually SAVE Medicaid/Medicare....and help direct it back to the free market....thus providing reliable help to the truly needy and everybodys' granny....

liberals really don't care about the poor....they just want to socialize (i.e. conrol) everybody's healthcare.....which will only deliver much poorer quality care and rationed care....the horrors of 'universal' healthcare are out there if you only care to look....that's why Congressmen and their staff make sure they aren't included in the plans...

You got that right!
Even the IRS and the Unions don't want it.
Why does the Union's not like it? Because it will force the union workers to have only part time work.

Not only will unionists hours be cut, they will also lose their so called 'cadillac insurance plans. The ones where the member pays nothing for service and contributes very little toward their coverage.

 

[thereisnospoon]

BULLSHIT!!!

Health News
Medicare Advantage cost U.S. taxpayer $283 billion extra

May 12 (UPI) -- Shifting Medicare patients to Medicare Advantage has cost the U.S. taxpayer almost $300 billion since the program began in 1985, researchers say.

The study, published online in the International Journal of Health Services, found the private insurance companies that participate in Medicare under the Medicare Advantage program and its predecessors have cost the publicly funded program for the elderly and disabled an extra $282.6 billion since 1985 -- most over the past eight years.

Dr. Ida Hellander, policy director at Physicians for a National Health Program, a non-profit group; Dr. Steffie Woolhandler and Dr. David Himmelstein, both of the City University of New York School of Public Health, visiting professors at Harvard Medical School and co-founders of PNHP; said in 2012 alone, private insurers were overpaid $34.1 billion -- or $2,526 per Medicare Advantage enrollee.

These are billions that should have been spent on improving patient care, shoring up Medicare's trust fund or reducing the federal deficit, the researchers said.

Since 1985, in an effort to lower the cost of Medicare, Congress allowed Medicare to contract with private insurance plans -- previously referred to as Medicare HMOs and now called Medicare Advantage plans. Such plans, most of them for-profit, currently cover about 27 percent of Medicare enrollees. Currently, UnitedHealth and Humana together operate about one-third of such plans.

Medicare pays these privately run plans a "premium" per enrollee for hospital and physician services -- averaging $10,123 in 2012 -- based on a prediction of how costly the enrollee's care will be.

The study found private insurers cherry-pick healthier beneficiaries who cost less to care for, guaranteeing large profits -- although private plans must accept all seniors who choose to enroll, they cherry-pick by selectively recruiting the healthiest seniors through advertising, office location, etc.

Read more: Medicare Advantage was to cut Medicare, but cost $283 billion more - UPI.com

and your point is...?

You really need me to explain it to you? Medicare Advantage IS what privatization creates. Just like Medicare Part D.

Medicare is more cost effective than the private insurance industry. Every industrial nation spends about half as much per capita on health care than America...WHY?

Universal vs. Private Health Insurance

There is one factor common to the top 15 countries. They all have strong state funding of single-payer universal health care, instead of insurance based health care tied to employment. The bottom four countries – Germany, USA, Portugal and Switzerland – all depend more heavily on profit-based, private health insurance provided primarily through the employer/employee relationship

"Strong state funding"?...You mean taxpayer funded? Like Spain, Greece, the UK, Ireland....
Look, if you want the government to take care of you, them you won't mind paying up in higher taxes, confiscatory taxes, and then some group of bureaucrats who are accountable to no one will decide what medical care you will get, fine. Leave the rest of us out of your scheme.

 

[BobPlumb]

All aboard the Obama Care Train. Get aboard now so that you don't miss the train reck. What train reck? Just ask Harry Reid or Max Baucus.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I heard him say that line of bullshit.

Just because I don't think it's our government's responsibility to provide us with health insurance, nevermind REQUIRING purchase, that does NOT mean I don't think people should have it.

Well, I don't think it's the government's "responsibility" to protect the private interests of corporations overseas. But it does and at great expense.

Given a choice?

I'd rather spend money on saving grandma and the kids..then protecting the Koch's Iraqi oil fields.

It isn't?
Whether you like it or not those private interests are US interests. Vital US interests.

 

[Bfgrn]

and your point is...?

You really need me to explain it to you? Medicare Advantage IS what privatization creates. Just like Medicare Part D.

Medicare is more cost effective than the private insurance industry. Every industrial nation spends about half as much per capita on health care than America...WHY?

Universal vs. Private Health Insurance

There is one factor common to the top 15 countries. They all have strong state funding of single-payer universal health care, instead of insurance based health care tied to employment. The bottom four countries – Germany, USA, Portugal and Switzerland – all depend more heavily on profit-based, private health insurance provided primarily through the employer/employee relationship

"Strong state funding"?...You mean taxpayer funded? Like Spain, Greece, the UK, Ireland....
Look, if you want the government to take care of you, them you won't mind paying up in higher taxes, confiscatory taxes, and then some group of bureaucrats who are accountable to no one will decide what medical care you will get, fine. Leave the rest of us out of your scheme.

Do you REALLY believe private health insurance is cheaper than any state funded health care system?

I bet you even believe your employer pays part of your insurance??

 

[thereisnospoon]

You really need me to explain it to you? Medicare Advantage IS what privatization creates. Just like Medicare Part D.

Medicare is more cost effective than the private insurance industry. Every industrial nation spends about half as much per capita on health care than America...WHY?

Universal vs. Private Health Insurance

There is one factor common to the top 15 countries. They all have strong state funding of single-payer universal health care, instead of insurance based health care tied to employment. The bottom four countries – Germany, USA, Portugal and Switzerland – all depend more heavily on profit-based, private health insurance provided primarily through the employer/employee relationship

"Strong state funding"?...You mean taxpayer funded? Like Spain, Greece, the UK, Ireland....
Look, if you want the government to take care of you, them you won't mind paying up in higher taxes, confiscatory taxes, and then some group of bureaucrats who are accountable to no one will decide what medical care you will get, fine. Leave the rest of us out of your scheme.

Do you REALLY believe private health insurance is cheaper than any state funded health care system?

I bet you even believe your employer pays part of your insurance??

Here lies the great deception. You people have convinced yourselves that cheaper is better.
Meanwhile those bronze and silver ACA packages still leave the user with 40% and 30% of the bill to be paid out of pocket respectively.
And please, don't spout the subsidy nonsense.
Absent of all the stupid restrictive and intrusive mandates and regulations placed on health insurance and medical care by the federal government, private coverage would be dramatically less expensive and the same or even better coverage would be available.
One need only to look to the Western European model to witness the problems with socialized medicine. The rationing of care. The bureaucratic bodies that make decisions on who gets care and the kind of care they will receive. The confiscatory taxation. And the crumbling government coffers.
No thanks.
If you want socialized medicine, there's the door.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Obama: GOP 'Holy Grail' Is 'Making Sure 30 Million People Don't Have Healthcare'

Friday, Barack “Reach Across the Aisle” Obama had an amped-up message for low-information voters: It is the “holy grail” of Republicans to make sure that 30 million Americans don’t have health insurance.

As reported by The Hill, in addition to saying that blocking ObamaCare has become the GOP’s “holy grail,” Obama called Republican opposition to his troubled healthcare plan (which is opposed by ever-increasing percentage of Americans) an “ideological fixation” as well.

Not only is this guy absolutely horrendous with a terrible record of reaching across the aisle outstanding at “reaching across the aisle,” he’s also pretty good at ridiculing, too. (You don’t suppose he means “fixation” as in his fixation with redistributing wealth, do you?)

Obama: GOP 'Holy Grail' Is 'Making Sure 30 Million People Don't Have Healthcare' | Independent Journal Review

I wonder if by that he meant his holy grail is to take over the healthcare and bankrupting of 280 million people while still leaving 30 million uninsured.

 

[Bfgrn]

"Strong state funding"?...You mean taxpayer funded? Like Spain, Greece, the UK, Ireland....
Look, if you want the government to take care of you, them you won't mind paying up in higher taxes, confiscatory taxes, and then some group of bureaucrats who are accountable to no one will decide what medical care you will get, fine. Leave the rest of us out of your scheme.

Do you REALLY believe private health insurance is cheaper than any state funded health care system?

I bet you even believe your employer pays part of your insurance??

Here lies the great deception. You people have convinced yourselves that cheaper is better.
Meanwhile those bronze and silver ACA packages still leave the user with 40% and 30% of the bill to be paid out of pocket respectively.
And please, don't spout the subsidy nonsense.
Absent of all the stupid restrictive and intrusive mandates and regulations placed on health insurance and medical care by the federal government, private coverage would be dramatically less expensive and the same or even better coverage would be available.
One need only to look to the Western European model to witness the problems with socialized medicine. The rationing of care. The bureaucratic bodies that make decisions on who gets care and the kind of care they will receive. The confiscatory taxation. And the crumbling government coffers.
No thanks.
If you want socialized medicine, there's the door.

Pure right wing parrot speak.. Not only do we have the most expensive health care system in the world because of private cartels, it is at the bottom of the heap in outcomes and life expectancy.

BTW, do you REALLY believe your employer pays part of your insurance??

 

[hortysir]

The GOP is at fault, they are the ones that are pro business, and through pro business people influencing the legislation in the nation to make themselves money, and then the GOP acts all innocent playing like is not at all part of the scam.

Meanwhile the Dem President is granting waivers and extensions to "big business" all over the place while he mandates it for private individuals

 

[OKTexas]

He tried for years to reach across, now he's telling it like it is- The GOP is a bunch of greedy a-holes and their silly brainwashed dupes, now imploding under the weight of their own BS.Couldn't happen to a bigger bunch of ignorant fools. LOL

I guess you are one of the ignorant fools, why didn't your dear leader say that according to the CBO that maobamacare will not cover and estimated 30 million people? So tell me again who is into denying what? The really sad part of it there were never 30 million uninsured to begin with. Leave it to the commies to accomplish the opposite of their stated gaols.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The GOP does not need a plan to insure 30 million Americans.

1. There aren't that many without insurance.
2. The government has no business forcing Me to pay for someones insurance.

The law needs to be repealed and not replaced.

So if Medicaid were ended altogether, which is your above stated desire, how would poor people who are currently using Medicaid pay for the healthcare they need?

Would they just go without? Is that what you believe would make America a better place...if we make sure that the poor fully suffer the consequences of being poor?

Some sort Darwinian social justice?

Another lib opens the playbook and evokes the all or nothing straw man argument.

Strawman?

The poster I was talking to said this:

The government has no business forcing Me to pay for someones insurance.

Focus on the word 'no' in the above statement and then convince me that does not mean 'nothing'.