Obama: GOP 'Holy Grail' Is 'Making Sure 30 Million People Don't Have Healthcare'

[NYcarbineer]

It's far worse than the President described it, when you're talking about the Republicans and healthcare;

the Ryan budget plan, which would be law if the GOP ever got control of Congress and the presidency, would cut 31% out of Medicaid and CHIP over ten years.

Ryan Block Grant Proposal Would Cut Medicaid by Nearly One-Third by 2023 and More After That ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Another good example of how the primary goal of GOP economic/domestic policy is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Obama: GOP 'Holy Grail' Is 'Making Sure 30 Million People Don't Have Healthcare'

Obama: GOP 'Holy Grail' Is 'Making Sure 30 Million People Don't Have Healthcare' | Independent Journal Review

Then prove the president wrong and explain to everyone exactly how the GOP plans to insure 30 million Americans once the ACA is repealed.

The GOP does not need a plan to insure 30 million Americans.

1. There aren't that many without insurance.
2. The government has no business forcing Me to pay for someones insurance.

The law needs to be repealed and not replaced.

So if Medicaid were ended altogether, which is your above stated desire, how would poor people who are currently using Medicaid pay for the healthcare they need?

Would they just go without? Is that what you believe would make America a better place...if we make sure that the poor fully suffer the consequences of being poor?

Some sort Darwinian social justice?

 

[healthmyths]

Obama: GOP 'Holy Grail' Is 'Making Sure 30 Million People Don't Have Healthcare'

Friday, Barack “Reach Across the Aisle” Obama had an amped-up message for low-information voters: It is the “holy grail” of Republicans to make sure that 30 million Americans don’t have health insurance.

As reported by The Hill, in addition to saying that blocking ObamaCare has become the GOP’s “holy grail,” Obama called Republican opposition to his troubled healthcare plan (which is opposed by ever-increasing percentage of Americans) an “ideological fixation” as well.

Not only is this guy absolutely horrendous with a terrible record of reaching across the aisle outstanding at “reaching across the aisle,” he’s also pretty good at ridiculing, too. (You don’t suppose he means “fixation” as in his fixation with redistributing wealth, do you?)

Obama: GOP 'Holy Grail' Is 'Making Sure 30 Million People Don't Have Healthcare' | Independent Journal Review

18 million people Don't WANT TO BUY health insurance

Subtract that from 30 million leaves 12 million.

14 million are already covered by Medicaid!

10 million ARE NOT CITIZENS!

So where are there 30 million ?

 

[JoeB131]

Did Obama ever consider some of those people may not want healthcare that may be hard for some to understand but there are a great many young people who don't consider having healthcare a major priority right now.

Right?!

I don't think a 23yr old guy cares much about geriatric care or coverage for his pap smears

But when that 23 year old gets into a motorcycle accident, and he goes to the emergency room and runs up $20,000 in bills, which he eventually defaults on, who do you think pays for that?

Oh, that's right. The rest of us.

 

[healthmyths]

Then prove the president wrong and explain to everyone exactly how the GOP plans to insure 30 million Americans once the ACA is repealed.

The GOP does not need a plan to insure 30 million Americans.

1. There aren't that many without insurance.
2. The government has no business forcing Me to pay for someones insurance.

The law needs to be repealed and not replaced.

So if Medicaid were ended altogether, which is your above stated desire, how would poor people who are currently using Medicaid pay for the healthcare they need?

Would they just go without? Is that what you believe would make America a better place...if we make sure that the poor fully suffer the consequences of being poor?

Some sort Darwinian social justice?

But why is Obama LYING about "30 million" when Politifact.org says there are 321 million people covered:
So when I add:
"About 60 percent under 65 is covered....a large-group or small-group "
About 22 percent of people under 65 are with a government program," Medicaid...
about 7 percent....individual market...."
PolitiFact | AFP ad says premiums will rise under Obamacare
That adds up to 89% which of the 316 million people according to the Census equals 281 million.. again NOT counted Medicare.
Medicare says there are 40 million over 65 covered.
Add 40 million to 281 million equals 321 million!

So please explain where 30 million uninsured come from???

 

[JoeB131]

[The GOP does not need a plan to insure 30 million Americans.

1. There aren't that many without insurance.
2. The government has no business forcing Me to pay for someones insurance.

The law needs to be repealed and not replaced.

You already ARE paying for other people's health care, guy.

When that uninsured person gets sick or injured and goes to an emergency room, and can't pay, those costs are redistributed to people like you with insurance who can pay.

What do you think those $6.00 Aspirins pay for?

 

[francoHFW]

#25- They're ALL freeloaders who cost everyone money. So are the illegals. Over 40 million, hater dupe. Same with Medicare Advantage, ie a giveawy to the well off and YOU. Buy your own toothpaste.

 

[Greenbeard]

What's so controversial? Some of them are openly talking about shutting down the entire government solely to ensure that these uninsured people can't get coverage. They're rabid.

 

[healthmyths]

Did Obama ever consider some of those people may not want healthcare that may be hard for some to understand but there are a great many young people who don't consider having healthcare a major priority right now.

Right?!

I don't think a 23yr old guy cares much about geriatric care or coverage for his pap smears

But when that 23 year old gets into a motorcycle accident, and he goes to the emergency room and runs up $20,000 in bills, which he eventually defaults on, who do you think pays for that?

Oh, that's right. The rest of us.

YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!
But that is ONE case! That is anecdotal! THAT IS THE EXCEPTION NOT THE RULE!

So how does the hospital recoup this $20,000?????

They pad and pass on to the payers Medicare/insurance companies! FOR EVERYONE!!!
Why then do we allow hospitals to mark up sometimes 6,000% what they charge Medicare?
THIS IS A FACT!
Florida Hospital Tampa
3100 East Fletcher Avenue
Tampa, FL 33613
In 2011 Hospital in Tampa sent Medicare 1,362 claims for CAT scan no contrast.
Each claim averaged $3,463, i.e. what the hospital billed Medicare...
The hospital's ACTUAL COSTS to perform the CAT SCAN was $57 a mark up 5,975.44%

Every one of those claims charged to Medicare almost 6,000% above costs!
WHY...

So while you are so wrong about using ONE motorcycle accident which is anecdotal... NOT HAPPENING ALL the time...
All the time Hospitals pad and pass THUS adding to the cost of Medicare and insurance companies.

So think about... if they pad and pass on who pays? Medicare/insurance companies.
What then do the insurance companies? Jack up the premiums on all the insured.

Solution???
Well first there ARE TRULY less the 4 million that need insurance. Give it to them!
This young man after PROVING his relatives, he can't do a monthly plan to pay back the $20,000 cover him with insurance! Give it to him!

And where would the money come from???
1) Taxes on the $270 billion lawyers. These millionaires according to physicians COST health care $850 billion a year simply out of fear
of being sued so doctors run duplicate tests,etc... your motorcycle illustration... case in point! How many CAT scans at 6,000% markup were done?
2) THEN force hospitals NOT to markup by 6,000% and send the claims to the insurance company covering the uninsured!

PROBLEM SOLVED!
When lawyers stop causing doctors to bill $850 billion for duplicate tests and hospitals stop padding and passing..
INSURANCE PrEMIUMS DROP ... NOW folks many of you laugh BUT THEY WILL DROP BECAUSE of STATE Regulations!!

Almost all of you don't understand states regulate what companies can charge and when companies Claim costs (which average 80% of premiums) drop
regulators won't allow increases but will force lower rates. Now your 22 year old can BUY affordable insurance!!!

 

[Bfgrn]

Did Obama ever consider some of those people may not want healthcare that may be hard for some to understand but there are a great many young people who don't consider having healthcare a major priority right now.

Did you ever consider that accidents and illness have no consideration for age? But, when some kid wraps his car around a tree, SUDDENLY, saving his life and health care BECOMES a HUGE priority. But WHO pays for that heroic life saving treatment? WE the people who buy insurance pay for free riders. It costs every premium holder over $1,000 per year to cover personal IRresponsibility.

"And if you don't want to buy insurance, then you have to help pay for the cost of the state picking up your bill, because under federal law if someone doesn't have insurance, then we have to care for them in the hospitals, give them free care. So we said, no more, no more free riders. We are insisting on personal responsibility.

Either get the insurance or help pay for your care."

Mitt Romney defending Romneycare

 

[JoeB131]

[quo

YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!
But that is ONE case! That is anecdotal! THAT IS THE EXCEPTION NOT THE RULE!



And where would the money come from???
1) Taxes on the $270 billion lawyers. These millionaires according to physicians COST health care $850 billion a year simply out of fear
of being sued so doctors run duplicate tests,etc... your motorcycle illustration... case in point! How many CAT scans at 6,000% markup were done?
2) THEN force hospitals NOT to markup by 6,000% and send the claims to the insurance company covering the uninsured!

!!!

Guy, seriously, WTF.

First and foremost, Lawyers aren't the problem. I'm not sure why you go on and on about lawyers when the CBO has determined legal costs are only about 2% of medical coverage and even the most draconian "Tort Reform" would only reduce total medical spending by .4%.

Where you get this bullshit number of $850 Billion is anyone's guess.

Opinion: Why Tort Reform Won't Solve the Healthcare Cost Crisis - WNYC

Also torpedoed by the facts is the notion that tort reform causes health insurance premiums to drop. Between 2003 and 2010 the average price of a health insurance premium for an individual in Texas went up 46 percent, and the average price of a family health insurance plan in Texas went up 52 percent. As if that wasn’t enough of a sign that tort reform hasn’t helped make health care cheaper, Texas had one of the highest rates of uninsured people in the country in 2010. Thirty three percent of Texans between the ages of 19 and 64 had no health insurance, and 17 percent of Texans between the ages of just-got-here to 18 weren’t covered either. Dallas, 33.1 percent, no coverage. Houston, 30 percent, nothing. San Antonio, 22.4 percent, nada. Seven years of caps on non-economic damages had no positive effect on either the costs of health insurance or the number of people who could afford it.

Since doctors in Texas are now free from expensive medical malpractice suits, it would stand to reason that they no longer have to practice what is called “defensive medicine,” which is the running of unnecessary and expensive tests for no valid medical reason other than fear of a lawsuit.

Yet in McAllen, Texas, Medicare costs per person are actually higher than the median income of the people who live there. While doctors might no longer fear lawsuits, it seems they are also not at all afraid of sending big, fat, test-laden invoices to Uncle Sam or insurance companies. It doesn’t seem to be “defensive medicine” as much as it is an amendment to the Hippocratic Oath: “First, do no harm. Second, daddy needs a new pair of shoes.”

 

[PoliticalChic]

He tried for years to reach across, now he's telling it like it is- The GOP is a bunch of greedy a-holes and their silly brainwashed dupes, now imploding under the weight of their own BS.Couldn't happen to a bigger bunch of ignorant fools. LOL

What if....just what if.....it could be shown that the entire premise of CommieCare is a lie?

Would that convince you?


And, the promise to insure all Americans? According to the CBO, in 2015 there will be 36 million uninsured nonelderly Americans. http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43472-07-24-2012-CoverageEstimates.pdf (table 3)



No?

Didn't think so....






"....silly brainwashed dupes, now imploding under the weight of their own BS.Couldn't happen to a bigger bunch of ignorant fools."

This couldn't be funnier.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ever notice how many right wingers don't even have healthcare and never did?

And gol dernit to road kill stew we en ain't ever gonna go to one a those "citified" doctors. Don't trust. Never did. Ma pardy says vaccines give you awtism.

Just between you and I, deanie.....

.....I don't need CommieCare.....


There's this bodega in el barrio.....the clerk is a santaria priest.....
and he assures me that he can ward off any disease!

C'mon....I'll take ya'!

 

[dblack]

I heard him say that line of bullshit.

Just because I don't think it's our government's responsibility to provide us with health insurance, nevermind REQUIRING purchase, that does NOT mean I don't think people should have it.

Hardly anyone wants a real discussion on this. It's all power mongers mongering.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

It's far worse than the President described it, when you're talking about the Republicans and healthcare;

the Ryan budget plan, which would be law if the GOP ever got control of Congress and the presidency, would cut 31% out of Medicaid and CHIP over ten years.

Ryan Block Grant Proposal Would Cut Medicaid by Nearly One-Third by 2023 and More After That ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Another good example of how the primary goal of GOP economic/domestic policy is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

it's FAR worse than what you think.....Medicaid is going broke....Medicare is going broke....so what do the Dumbocrats do....create an even BIGGER boondoggle....Obumblecare...

the well-thought out Ryan budget plan would actually SAVE Medicaid/Medicare....and help direct it back to the free market....thus providing reliable help to the truly needy and everybodys' granny....

liberals really don't care about the poor....they just want to socialize (i.e. conrol) everybody's healthcare.....which will only deliver much poorer quality care and rationed care....the horrors of 'universal' healthcare are out there if you only care to look....that's why Congressmen and their staff make sure they aren't included in the plans...

 

[peach174]

You can't have the Majority of the Nation working part time jobs because of the New Health Care Bill and expect to have the revenue to run the Government.
Where are we going to get the 2.6 Trillion dollars to run it when you have 75% of the workers working part time?

Why can't we get a Health Care system that the Majority of the people want, rather than this bill that only the minority wants?

 

[peach174]

It's far worse than the President described it, when you're talking about the Republicans and healthcare;

the Ryan budget plan, which would be law if the GOP ever got control of Congress and the presidency, would cut 31% out of Medicaid and CHIP over ten years.

Ryan Block Grant Proposal Would Cut Medicaid by Nearly One-Third by 2023 and More After That ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Another good example of how the primary goal of GOP economic/domestic policy is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

it's FAR worse than what you think.....Medicaid is going broke....Medicare is going broke....so what do the Dumbocrats do....create an even BIGGER boondoggle....Obumblecare...

the well-thought out Ryan budget plan would actually SAVE Medicaid/Medicare....and help direct it back to the free market....thus providing reliable help to the truly needy and everybodys' granny....

liberals really don't care about the poor....they just want to socialize (i.e. conrol) everybody's healthcare.....which will only deliver much poorer quality care and rationed care....the horrors of 'universal' healthcare are out there if you only care to look....that's why Congressmen and their staff make sure they aren't included in the plans...

You got that right!
Even the IRS and the Unions don't want it.
Why does the Union's not like it? Because it will force the union workers to have only part time work.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Ever notice how many right wingers don't even have healthcare and never did?

And gol dernit to road kill stew we en ain't ever gonna go to one a those "citified" doctors. Don't trust. Never did. Ma pardy says vaccines give you awtism.

Ever notice what a bunch of sissy's democrats are and have to run to the quack for every little sniffle?

 

[Stephanie]

Ever notice how many right wingers don't even have healthcare and never did?

lol, rdean is such a dork and doesn't care if he looks like an idiot...where he comes up with this shit, who knows...everyone in this country can get health care...

that's what makes OBAMA A DAMN LIAR...and you people just sit back and yawn about it

 

[healthmyths]

[quo

YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!
But that is ONE case! That is anecdotal! THAT IS THE EXCEPTION NOT THE RULE!



And where would the money come from???
1) Taxes on the $270 billion lawyers. These millionaires according to physicians COST health care $850 billion a year simply out of fear
of being sued so doctors run duplicate tests,etc... your motorcycle illustration... case in point! How many CAT scans at 6,000% markup were done?
2) THEN force hospitals NOT to markup by 6,000% and send the claims to the insurance company covering the uninsured!

!!!

Guy, seriously, WTF.

First and foremost, Lawyers aren't the problem. I'm not sure why you go on and on about lawyers when the CBO has determined legal costs are only about 2% of medical coverage and even the most draconian "Tort Reform" would only reduce total medical spending by .4%.

Where you get this bullshit number of $850 Billion is anyone's guess.

Opinion: Why Tort Reform Won't Solve the Healthcare Cost Crisis - WNYC

Also torpedoed by the facts is the notion that tort reform causes health insurance premiums to drop. Between 2003 and 2010 the average price of a health insurance premium for an individual in Texas went up 46 percent, and the average price of a family health insurance plan in Texas went up 52 percent. As if that wasn’t enough of a sign that tort reform hasn’t helped make health care cheaper, Texas had one of the highest rates of uninsured people in the country in 2010. Thirty three percent of Texans between the ages of 19 and 64 had no health insurance, and 17 percent of Texans between the ages of just-got-here to 18 weren’t covered either. Dallas, 33.1 percent, no coverage. Houston, 30 percent, nothing. San Antonio, 22.4 percent, nada. Seven years of caps on non-economic damages had no positive effect on either the costs of health insurance or the number of people who could afford it.

Since doctors in Texas are now free from expensive medical malpractice suits, it would stand to reason that they no longer have to practice what is called “defensive medicine,” which is the running of unnecessary and expensive tests for no valid medical reason other than fear of a lawsuit.

Yet in McAllen, Texas, Medicare costs per person are actually higher than the median income of the people who live there. While doctors might no longer fear lawsuits, it seems they are also not at all afraid of sending big, fat, test-laden invoices to Uncle Sam or insurance companies. It doesn’t seem to be “defensive medicine” as much as it is an amendment to the Hippocratic Oath: “First, do no harm. Second, daddy needs a new pair of shoes.”

"
Where you get this bullshit number of $850 Billion is anyone's guess.
THE f..king Doctors say so dumb shit!

HERE READ the surveys where 90% of physicians SAY THEY SPEND $850 billion a year UNNECESSARILY due to FEAR of F...king Lawsuits@!
90% of physicians say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
Health News Observer ? Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

1,231 physicians...(90%) Ninety percent of physicians surveyed said:
"doctors overtest and overtreat to protect themselves from malpractice lawsuits."
"Defensive medicine is when doctors order multiple tests, MRIs and other procedures, not because the patient needs them, but to protect against litigation based on allegations that something should have been done but wasn’t. according to the survey published Monday in Archives of Internal Medicine.
Besides more time-consuming appointments, patients are left with fewer services and less access to quality care as doctors either narrow their practices or leave the profession entirely."
Opinion | San Francisco Examiner


WHERE IS YOUR SOURCE for this bull shi...T!!!
in 2010. Thirty three percent of Texans between the ages of 19 and 64 had no health insurance, and 17 percent of Texans between the ages of just-got-here to 18 weren’t covered either. Dallas, 33.1 percent, no coverage. Houston, 30 percent, nothing. San Antonio, 22.4 percent, nada. Seven years of caps on non-economic damages had no positive effect on either the costs of health insurance or the number of people who could afford


AND YOU SAID IT!!!. " it seems they are also not at all afraid of sending big, fat, test-laden invoices to Uncle Sam or insurance companies"

WHY then would 90% of physicians SAY they spend $850 billion in DUPLICATE TESTS you dumb shi...T if they are making money off it!

SEE STARK LAW dummy!!!


AND by the way.... dummy PROVE LIKE I do my statements with LINKS READ the links then get back to me to prove you can read!