Obama Complains It’s Easier to Buy a Gun Than a Book or Fresh Vegetable

[LordBrownTrout]

When did we need to fill out a 4473 to buy vegetables?

 

[Iceweasel]

He's right. For some people it is easier to buys guns than healthful food.

No matter what your stand is on guns OR nutrition, that's a real tragedy in what is supposed to be the richest country in the world.

When will care enough about our fellow man to change this?

True. The last time I bought a gun I was in and out of the shop in 20 minutes. The nearest bookstore is twice as far away.

Wow, you really picked up on the point. NICS has been in effect for a while now so either you got extremely lucky the deal got a fed to approve it that quickly, including the paperwork, or your last time was long long ago.

Not really, it only took me about 20 minutes the last time I bought one, last month and the store didn't call the feds, I have a CHL.

Could be but if it was a FFL dealer he broke the law. Illegal sales can be done in parking lots in seconds but I don't think that's what obama was referring to.

Nope did everything leagl, there is an exception to the NICS requirement if the buyer has a valid CHL, the dealer just makes a copy of the CHL and files it with the paperwork, no call required. Also the dear leader speaks in such broad terms and platitudes who the hell really knows what he was saying? It all sounds nice but he's most always ambiguous when it comes to real policy.

I don't know what a CHL is but the NICS is a federal law. No state can over rule it. I have a CCW (carry permit) so I don't need a waiting period. My dealer did let me slide one time when the NCIS was jammed up but he was sticking his neck out for me.

 

[OKTexas]

True. The last time I bought a gun I was in and out of the shop in 20 minutes. The nearest bookstore is twice as far away.

Wow, you really picked up on the point. NICS has been in effect for a while now so either you got extremely lucky the deal got a fed to approve it that quickly, including the paperwork, or your last time was long long ago.

Not really, it only took me about 20 minutes the last time I bought one, last month and the store didn't call the feds, I have a CHL.

Could be but if it was a FFL dealer he broke the law. Illegal sales can be done in parking lots in seconds but I don't think that's what obama was referring to.

Nope did everything leagl, there is an exception to the NICS requirement if the buyer has a valid CHL, the dealer just makes a copy of the CHL and files it with the paperwork, no call required. Also the dear leader speaks in such broad terms and platitudes who the hell really knows what he was saying? It all sounds nice but he's most always ambiguous when it comes to real policy.

I don't know what a CHL is but the NICS is a federal law. No state can over rule it. I have a CCW (carry permit) so I don't need a waiting period. My dealer did let me slide one time when the NCIS was jammed up but he was sticking his neck out for me.

A CHL is the same as a CCW, both are concealed carry licenses, and the exception is in the federal law, maybe your state choses to do it different. Here's an open letter from the ATF to FFL's explaining the exception.

ATF Seal
U.S. Department of Justice
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives

Washington, DC 20226

April 8, 2011
Open Letter to All Kansas Federal Firearms Licensees

The purpose of this open letter is to advise you of an important change to the procedure you may follow to comply with the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, 18 U.S.C. § 922(t), when transferring a firearm to an unlicensed person.

The permanent provisions of the Brady law took effect on November 30, 1998. The Brady law generally requires Federal firearms licensees (FFLs) to initiate a National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) background check before transferring a firearm to an unlicensed person. However, the Brady law contains exceptions to the NICS check requirement, including an exception for holders of certain State permits to possess, carry, or acquire firearms. The law and implementing regulations provide that permits issued within the past 5 years may qualify as alternatives to the NICS check if certain other requirements are satisfied. Most importantly, the authority issuing the permit must conduct a NICS background check and must deny a permit to anyone prohibited from possessing firearms under Federal, State, or local law.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has reviewed the Kansas Personal and Family Protection Act, K.S.A. 2010 Supp. 75-7c01 through 75-7c19, which contains the provisions for a license to carry a concealed handgun, and has determined that Kansas' license to carry a concealed handgun qualifies as an alternative to the background check required by the Brady law.

If you transfer a firearm to an unlicensed person pursuant to the permit alternative, you must comply with the following requirements:

1. Have the transferee complete and sign ATF Form 4473, Firearms Transaction Record.
2. Verify the identity of the transferee through a Government-issued photo identification (for example, a driver’s license).
3. Verify that the license to carry a concealed handgun was issued within the past 5 years by the State in which the transfer is to occur, and that the license has not expired under State law.
4. Either retain a copy of the transferee’s license to carry a concealed handgun and attach it to the Form 4473, or record on the Form 4473 any identifying number from the license, the date of issuance, and the expiration date of the license.

If you have any questions about Kansas’ license to carry a concealed handgun qualifying as an alternative to the NICS check, please call ATF’s Firearms Industry Programs Branch at (202) 648-7190.
Signature of Arthur Herbert

Arthur Herbert
Assistant Director
Enforcement Programs and Services

Open Letter from ATF NICS Check Waived for Kansas CCW permit holders - Calguns.net

Texas does it the same way.

 

[Iceweasel]

Open Letter from ATF NICS Check Waived for Kansas CCW permit holders - Calguns.net

Texas does it the same way.

That's interesting, yes we do need to go through NICS, even cops. I don't see how the ATF exempts some states. I wonder if the permitting length has anything to do with it. Our permits are for 5 years.

 

[OKTexas]

Open Letter from ATF NICS Check Waived for Kansas CCW permit holders - Calguns.net

Texas does it the same way.

That's interesting, yes we do need to go through NICS, even cops. I don't see how the ATF exempts some states. I wonder if the permitting length has anything to do with it. Our permits are for 5 years.

Most states have 5 year permits, I know TX does and as stated in the letter the exception is in the law, it's up to the states if they use it.

 

[Two Thumbs]

He's right. For some people it is easier to buys guns than healthful food.

No matter what your stand is on guns OR nutrition, that's a real tragedy in what is supposed to be the richest country in the world.

When will care enough about our fellow man to change this?

True. The last time I bought a gun I was in and out of the shop in 20 minutes. The nearest bookstore is twice as far away.

You can get books on line

fucking braindead leftist

You can get guns online too. Fucking embarrassing republicunt.

you can get any book out there sent to your home, but not any weapon.


you're an obama fluffing buffoon that refuses to see him for the tyrant that he is

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Better than you boring me to death. Did you have a point btw? Or just more stupid 3 word questions.

And your very next post is...

I do. Do you?

A four word question. Moron.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

He's right. For some people it is easier to buys guns than healthful food.

No matter what your stand is on guns OR nutrition, that's a real tragedy in what is supposed to be the richest country in the world.

When will care enough about our fellow man to change this?

True. The last time I bought a gun I was in and out of the shop in 20 minutes. The nearest bookstore is twice as far away.

Wow, you really picked up on the point. NICS has been in effect for a while now so either you got extremely lucky the deal got a fed to approve it that quickly, including the paperwork, or your last time was long long ago.

Not really, it only took me about 20 minutes the last time I bought one, last month and the store didn't call the feds, I have a CHL.

Could be but if it was a FFL dealer he broke the law. Illegal sales can be done in parking lots in seconds but I don't think that's what obama was referring to.

How did he break the law? I have an Idaho CCW and it takes me about 20 minutes to buy a gun too.

 

[OKTexas]

He's right. For some people it is easier to buys guns than healthful food.

No matter what your stand is on guns OR nutrition, that's a real tragedy in what is supposed to be the richest country in the world.

When will care enough about our fellow man to change this?

True. The last time I bought a gun I was in and out of the shop in 20 minutes. The nearest bookstore is twice as far away.

You can get books on line

fucking braindead leftist

You can get guns online too. Fucking embarrassing republicunt.

you can get any book out there sent to your home, but not any weapon.


you're an obama fluffing buffoon that refuses to see him for the tyrant that he is

The DA knows that, he just refused to say it. Like I said, an integrity issue, or should I say non-issue, because he ain't got any.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

When did we need to fill out a 4473 to buy vegetables?

Probably about the same time it became illegal to give away extra garden veggies for free. That way only the government can produce a shortage of fresh food.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

When did we need to fill out a 4473 to buy vegetables?

Try buying fresh fruit and vegetables in the inner city areas. It's all fast food and mini marts. The major grocery store chains ARE NOT in the inner cities. Major thread fail by the O/P.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

When did we need to fill out a 4473 to buy vegetables?

Try buying fresh fruit and vegetables in the inner city areas. It's all fast food and mini marts. The major grocery store chains ARE NOT in the inner cities. Major thread fail by the O/P.

Really? Can't get any fruits or veggies in the inner city? Yet there are people on the streets handing out guns?