Turboswede
Very Metal
I find it ironic that these sites have been popping up on the web while supporters of McCain at political events call for violent action against Obama and his supporters. I guess calling the democrats communists and socialists isnt enough, now they are considered fascists as well.
Obama and his brown shirts
Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology which may look like state socialism to the casual observer but has a number of distinguishing factors that set it apart from strict socialism. The Fascist model exposes the idea of the nation or people as the key method used in self definition. So, one would say I am a Swede (or what ever), and would relate to other Swedes first, regardless of class or occupation. On the other hand the strict socialist would view the world from a class based perspective. In that case one may say I am an engineer and part of the educated middle class, and our engineer would identify more with a British or Chinese engineer than (for example) a Swedish factory worker.
Another factor inherent in fascism is the concept of a corporativist state where the state is able to recognize or 'incorporate every divergent interest into a single economic / political power structure as it stands alone. Again this may look like another example of state socialism, but communism at its heart abhors the concept of private property with the Corporativist model behind fascism uses the lure of property to entice business into the Corporativist relationship.
Put another way, under the (admittedly extreme) socialist model one would come to power, seize all private property, and allow the state to apportion the bounty as it sees fit. The Corporativist model is much more subtle in that it uses lucrative government contracts or state authorized monopolies to encourage business compliance with the will of the state. Just remember:
Private Property = Right
Communal Ownership = Left
The final big separation between Fascism and Socialism is the focus on the irrational over the rational. A socialist state is based on the Hegelian dialectic (thesis/antithesis/synthesis) and the concept of scientific socialism. Under a socialist model all social problems can be solved through application of scientific methods and an appeal to logic, as humans are thought to be rational individuals.
On the other hand the Fascist state embraces the irrational and encourages emotive displays of national pride and power to promote the idea that individual identity is based on belonging to a nation or people.
This is why a Socialists speech may sound like a detailed lecture while a Fascists speech would seem like a passionate sermon.
On the violence front, both camps advocate violence against the other whether based on class (Socialist) or nation/people (Fascist). Socialists tend to view violence as a means to an end while Fascists are more likely to revel in emotions triggered by the violent acts themselves.
So, I think Obama and his supporters deserve the progressive and liberal (as in favoring change) moniker with maybe a little socialism thrown in, but to call Obama and his supporters Fascists for stating that some GOP political ads should be rescinded due to untrue claims is just absurd.
Shouting at a political rally that someone should kill that (racial epithet) and receiving cheers from the crowd, well we will see what America decides next month.
Obama and his brown shirts
Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology which may look like state socialism to the casual observer but has a number of distinguishing factors that set it apart from strict socialism. The Fascist model exposes the idea of the nation or people as the key method used in self definition. So, one would say I am a Swede (or what ever), and would relate to other Swedes first, regardless of class or occupation. On the other hand the strict socialist would view the world from a class based perspective. In that case one may say I am an engineer and part of the educated middle class, and our engineer would identify more with a British or Chinese engineer than (for example) a Swedish factory worker.
Another factor inherent in fascism is the concept of a corporativist state where the state is able to recognize or 'incorporate every divergent interest into a single economic / political power structure as it stands alone. Again this may look like another example of state socialism, but communism at its heart abhors the concept of private property with the Corporativist model behind fascism uses the lure of property to entice business into the Corporativist relationship.
Put another way, under the (admittedly extreme) socialist model one would come to power, seize all private property, and allow the state to apportion the bounty as it sees fit. The Corporativist model is much more subtle in that it uses lucrative government contracts or state authorized monopolies to encourage business compliance with the will of the state. Just remember:
Private Property = Right
Communal Ownership = Left
The final big separation between Fascism and Socialism is the focus on the irrational over the rational. A socialist state is based on the Hegelian dialectic (thesis/antithesis/synthesis) and the concept of scientific socialism. Under a socialist model all social problems can be solved through application of scientific methods and an appeal to logic, as humans are thought to be rational individuals.
On the other hand the Fascist state embraces the irrational and encourages emotive displays of national pride and power to promote the idea that individual identity is based on belonging to a nation or people.
This is why a Socialists speech may sound like a detailed lecture while a Fascists speech would seem like a passionate sermon.
On the violence front, both camps advocate violence against the other whether based on class (Socialist) or nation/people (Fascist). Socialists tend to view violence as a means to an end while Fascists are more likely to revel in emotions triggered by the violent acts themselves.
So, I think Obama and his supporters deserve the progressive and liberal (as in favoring change) moniker with maybe a little socialism thrown in, but to call Obama and his supporters Fascists for stating that some GOP political ads should be rescinded due to untrue claims is just absurd.
Shouting at a political rally that someone should kill that (racial epithet) and receiving cheers from the crowd, well we will see what America decides next month.
