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Two Trump cult members disagree with the overwhelming majority of climate scientists.

Who to believe?
I'm merely stating the case for global warming is far from a "consensus". This isn't about what I believe.
That's the problem with you weak minded binary thinkers.
Get some information on Bjorn Lomborg. I think he has a good handle on things, from what I can tell.

Bjorn Lomborg believes global warming is occurring and that human carbon emissions are a major cause of it.

He is simply against political treaties or trading schemes which set targets believing that cannot work. He believes we need technological adaptation.

Perhaps you need to read about him?
 
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Do you read your own posts?

You brought up Vietnam and made the comparison?
I sure did. So what about it?
Did I say anything you take an objection to?

We achieved our military goals in Kurdish Syria, not our political, please read slower after your slobbering festival.

Get back to me when you are done talking to yourself.
Your lame ad hom insults are a poor substitute for an argument, though I guess it's the best
you can do given your sub par intellect. Again, where was I off base?

I guess you can't say.
 
Two Trump cult members disagree with the overwhelming majority of climate scientists.

Who to believe?
I'm merely stating the case for global warming is far from a "consensus". This isn't about what I believe.
That's the problem with you weak minded binary thinkers.
Get some information on Bjorn Lomborg. I think he has a good handle on things, from what I can tell.

Bjorn Lomborg believes global warming is occurring and that human carbon emissions are a major cause of it.

He is simply against political treaties or trading schemes which set targets believing that cannot work. He believes he need technological adaptation.

Perhaps you need to read about him?
I already know about him That's why I cited him. :icon_rolleyes:
Duhh....

You over simplified things, of course, but Lomborg believes global warming is a real scientific
phenomenon whose dire consequences have been greatly exaggerated to achieve political
and monetary gain.

Why is it the people that know the least are the biggest blowhards? You haven't told me a thing
about Lomborg that I didn't already know although Lomborg would be one of those scientists and experts I cited who haven't swallowed the government approved global warming Kool-Aid.
He's not one of the Chicken Littles who claim dire consequences if we don't dive head first into an unwise agenda and I admire his separating himself from the screaming pack of funded toadies.

He does not toe the party line, dimwit. That's the point.
 
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"There is currently a strong scientific consensus that the Earth is warming and that this warming is mainly caused by human activities. This consensus is supported by various studies of scientists' opinions and by position statements of scientific organizations, many of which explicitly agree with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) synthesis reports.

Nearly all actively publishing climate scientists (97–98%[1]) support the consensus on anthropogenic climate change,[2][3] and the remaining 2% of contrarian studies either cannot be replicated or contain errors.[4]"








Simply false

Two Trump cult members disagree with the overwhelming majority of climate scientists.

Who to believe?

Your premise is false.
 
Do you read your own posts?

You brought up Vietnam and made the comparison?
I sure did. So what about it?
Did I say anything you take an objection to?

We achieved our military goals in Kurdish Syria, not our political, please read slower after your slobbering festival.

Get back to me when you are done talking to yourself.
Your lame ad hom insults are a poor substitute for an argument, though I guess it's the best
you can do given your sub par intellect. Again, where was I off base?

I guess you can't say.


What is it with you Trump cult members, you throw out an insult then cry when you get it dished back like a whining little school girl who lost their ice cream cone.

As for the Kurds, if you post anything that reveals you know anything about it I will respond.
 
Two Trump cult members disagree with the overwhelming majority of climate scientists.

Who to believe?
I'm merely stating the case for global warming is far from a "consensus". This isn't about what I believe.
That's the problem with you weak minded binary thinkers.
Get some information on Bjorn Lomborg. I think he has a good handle on things, from what I can tell.

Bjorn Lomborg believes global warming is occurring and that human carbon emissions are a major cause of it.

He is simply against political treaties or trading schemes which set targets believing that cannot work. He believes he need technological adaptation.

Perhaps you need to read about him?
I already know about him That's why I cited him. :icon_rolleyes:
Duhh....

You over simplified things, of course, but Lomborg believes global warming is a real scientific
phenomenon whose dire consequences have been greatly exaggerated to achieve political
and monetary gain.

Why is it the people that know the least are the biggest blowhards? You haven't told me a thing
about Lomborg that I didn't already know although Lomborg would be one of those scientists and experts I cited who haven't swallowed the government approved global warming Kool-Aid.

He does not toe the party line, dimwit. That's the point.


So are you denying man made climate change or not?

Can you figure out what you actually think or are the voices in your mind too loud?
 
What is it with you Trump cult members, you start every conversation with "moron" then cry when you get it dished back like a whining little school girl who lost their ice cream cone.

As for the Kurds, if you post anything that reveals you know anything about it I will respond.
So my take on the Kurds is all wrong but you refuse to correct me and say where you specifically disagree?
Got it....very believable and not a cowardly cop out at all.
 
What is it with you Trump cult members, you start every conversation with "moron" then cry when you get it dished back like a whining little school girl who lost their ice cream cone.

As for the Kurds, if you post anything that reveals you know anything about it I will respond.
So my take on the Kurds is all wrong but you refuse to correct me and say where you specifically disagree?
Got it....very believable and not a cowardly cop out at all.


I have, read it again.

And try and not get lost in Vietnam this time.
 
Liberty is find, rejected scientific evidence or any source that does not tell you what you want to hear is not intellectual liberty however, it is mental slavery.

So, socialism just killed 120 million. It is by far the most evil idea in human history and yet Democrats embrace it. It that scientific thinking and plain pure stupidity??

Totolitarian communism killed more than that actually.

As raw, unregulated capitalism has mass killed as well. The trans Atlantic slave trade enslaved 10 million to 12 million and there are no reliable figures on how many died. The Irish potato famine occurred largely due to capitalist notions the market should sort it out and the state not provide mass aid. The list could go on and on as capitalist exploitation of global resources led to global colonialism in the 19th century which killed hundreds of million.

Extremes of any economic ideology kills.

Democratic social welfare states such as Norway or Denmark actually proved their people with a better overall standard of living than the USA.
give us an example of when "unregulated capitalism" mass killed.

Slavery is not a feature of capitalism, moron. Capitalism did not cause the Irish Potato famine. It was the British government that prevented the import of grain to Ireland. That has nothing to do with the free market.

You list is full of the typical bogus examples. When Gengis Khan wiped out entire nations, was that capitalism? Can you define precisely what you believe capitalism is?


I just did, slavery was totally based on capitalism, every historian on the planet will tell you that.

The Triangular Trade, which connected capitalist trading connections with the policy of capitalism. Indeed every aspect of capitalism drove the slave trade, from the rise of insurance to cover risk of the voyages and losses of dead slaves to stock markets which floated stocks in slave trading companies to credit extended with slaves as collateral.

Most of Thomas Jefferson's wealth was due to loans based on his slaves as colleterial.

The Irish Potato Famine was directly caused by capitalist philosophy. The British government was being flooded with pleas to offer help, they refused because it violated their capitalist ideology government should not intervene in what they saw as a market rather than a humanitarian disaster.

One could go on and on through the evolution of capitalism.

The slaughter of the Native American tribes was often driven by capitalist greed for land, either by individuals or capitalist organisations. The Black Hills were taken from the Native Americans not by the government, but by capitalist individuals and mining companies searching for gold against the government's objections for a time.

And now we come to the biggie, global warming, which if we do nothing about it will end up killing hundreds of millions, that is directly caused by capitalist development of fossil fuels and the capitalist idea consumption and economies should ever grow.


"Despite the shortages, the British government decided not to interfere in the marketplace to provide food to the poor Irish, but left food import and distribution to free market forces. Moreover, they allowed foodstuffs – vast amounts of foodstuffs – to be exported from Ireland. Merchants made large profits while people starved. "
So you think that the Romans, Greeks, Trojans, Moors, Spanish, Russians and the black sub-Saharan africans were capitalists. That’s an interesting idea, but not one that most people would agree with.
 
So are you denying man made climate change or not?

Can you figure out what you actually think or are the voices in your mind too loud?
I think I made myself pretty clear by citing Lomborg's take on the matter as I am in agreement, as
already stated.
Again your foolish ad hom only weakens anything of value you might have to say which is very very little.
 
Liberty is find, rejected scientific evidence or any source that does not tell you what you want to hear is not intellectual liberty however, it is mental slavery.

So, socialism just killed 120 million. It is by far the most evil idea in human history and yet Democrats embrace it. It that scientific thinking and plain pure stupidity??

Totolitarian communism killed more than that actually.

As raw, unregulated capitalism has mass killed as well. The trans Atlantic slave trade enslaved 10 million to 12 million and there are no reliable figures on how many died. The Irish potato famine occurred largely due to capitalist notions the market should sort it out and the state not provide mass aid. The list could go on and on as capitalist exploitation of global resources led to global colonialism in the 19th century which killed hundreds of million.

Extremes of any economic ideology kills.

Democratic social welfare states such as Norway or Denmark actually proved their people with a better overall standard of living than the USA.
give us an example of when "unregulated capitalism" mass killed.

Slavery is not a feature of capitalism, moron. Capitalism did not cause the Irish Potato famine. It was the British government that prevented the import of grain to Ireland. That has nothing to do with the free market.

You list is full of the typical bogus examples. When Gengis Khan wiped out entire nations, was that capitalism? Can you define precisely what you believe capitalism is?


I just did, slavery was totally based on capitalism, every historian on the planet will tell you that.

The Triangular Trade, which connected capitalist trading connections with the policy of capitalism. Indeed every aspect of capitalism drove the slave trade, from the rise of insurance to cover risk of the voyages and losses of dead slaves to stock markets which floated stocks in slave trading companies to credit extended with slaves as collateral.

Most of Thomas Jefferson's wealth was due to loans based on his slaves as colleterial.

The Irish Potato Famine was directly caused by capitalist philosophy. The British government was being flooded with pleas to offer help, they refused because it violated their capitalist ideology government should not intervene in what they saw as a market rather than a humanitarian disaster.

One could go on and on through the evolution of capitalism.

The slaughter of the Native American tribes was often driven by capitalist greed for land, either by individuals or capitalist organisations. The Black Hills were taken from the Native Americans not by the government, but by capitalist individuals and mining companies searching for gold against the government's objections for a time.

And now we come to the biggie, global warming, which if we do nothing about it will end up killing hundreds of millions, that is directly caused by capitalist development of fossil fuels and the capitalist idea consumption and economies should ever grow.


"Despite the shortages, the British government decided not to interfere in the marketplace to provide food to the poor Irish, but left food import and distribution to free market forces. Moreover, they allowed foodstuffs – vast amounts of foodstuffs – to be exported from Ireland. Merchants made large profits while people starved. "
So you think that the Romans, Greeks, Trojans, Moors, Spanish, Russians and the black sub-Saharan africans were capitalists. That’s an interesting idea, but not one that most people would agree with.

The Romans were proto capitalists money was their real God.

But modern capitalism was birthing as the US betrayed every treaty she made with the Native Americans and slaughtered them in search of land and gold.
 
So are you denying man made climate change or not?

Can you figure out what you actually think or are the voices in your mind too loud?
I think I made myself pretty clear by citing Lomborg's take on the matter as I am in agreement, as
already stated.
Again your foolish ad hom only weakens anything of value you might have to say which is very very little.


Good so we are in agreement, humans are indeed causing climate change.

Welcome to the rational side of the force.

Now go forth and try to convince the superstitious hoards on this forum of that scientific fact.
 
I have, read it again.
I have. Reread my comments for a change. Do you relish war with Russia and Turkey over the matter? Are you a neo-con war hawk? You act like one.

And try and not get lost in Vietnam this time.
I'm not "lost" on the matter. Maybe critical thinking skills aren't your thing.

Or maybe you just didn't like me calling out your chicken shit nonsense by making
clear comparisons and parallels between the Viet Nam quagmire and a quagmire involving the Kurds
in which case you advocate a foreign war with no real objectives or clear ending strategy.

Maybe you just didn't think things through. The chance to attack Trump again was just too great for your
little childish impulses to resist,l I guess.
 
Good so we are in agreement, humans are indeed causing climate change.

Welcome to the rational side of the force.

Now go forth and try to convince the superstitious hoards on this forum of that scientific fact.
I've never denied the theory of anthropomorphic global warming. Only the extent to which the
zealots misconstrue and exaggerate it in order to serve some corrupt political agenda.
 
The Romans were proto capitalists money was their real God.

But modern capitalism was birthing as the US betrayed every treaty she made with the Native Americans and slaughtered them in search of land and gold.
Land for a growing nation. The same motivation that caused Indian tribes to go to war with each other
for centuries.
 
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I have, read it again.
I have. Reread my comments for a change. Do you relish war with Russia and Turkey over the matter? Are you a neo-con war hawk? You act like one.

And try and not get lost in Vietnam this time.
I'm not "lost" on the matter. Maybe critical thinking skills aren't your thing.

Or maybe you just didn't like me calling out your chicken shit nonsense by making
clear comparisons and parallels between the Viet Nam quagmire and a quagmire involving the Kurds
in which case you advocate a foreign war with no real objectives or clear ending strategy.

Maybe you just didn't think things through. The chance to attack Trump again was just too great for your
little childish impulses to resist,l I guess.

You have not made a case there are any clear comparisons with the Syrian Kurds and Vietnam, no historian would, but if you can I await.

The strategy with the Syrian Kurds was clear, defeat ISIS and then keep our diplomatic assurances (as we did with the Iraqi Kurds post the First Gulf War) and protect them until a settlement can be made with the Syrian government.

The objectives were clear, militarily they were achieved and political they were making progress.

And then Trump turned tail and ran.
 
The Romans were proto capitalists money was their real God.

But modern capitalism was birthing as the US betrayed every treaty she made with the Native Americans and slaughtered them in search of land and gold.
Land for a growing nation. The same motivation that caused Indian tribes to go to war with each other
for centuries.


Native Americans could be brutal, even commit genocide, this is the human stain. It is just capitalism often justifies it in the name of gain.

Gold too, do not forget the gold.

So the capitalist greed for gold defied even the US government and invaded the Black Hills. Just as capitalist faith in markets saw the Irish starve in mass during the potato famine.

And one could go on and on about those who worship nothing but greed and self interest.
 
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Two Trump cult members disagree with the overwhelming majority of climate scientists.

Who to believe?
I'm merely stating the case for global warming is far from a "consensus". This isn't about what I believe.
That's the problem with you weak minded binary thinkers.
Get some information on Bjorn Lomborg. I think he has a good handle on things, from what I can tell.

Bjorn Lomborg believes global warming is occurring and that human carbon emissions are a major cause of it.

He is simply against political treaties or trading schemes which set targets believing that cannot work. He believes he need technological adaptation.

Perhaps you need to read about him?
I already know about him That's why I cited him. :icon_rolleyes:
Duhh....

You over simplified things, of course, but Lomborg believes global warming is a real scientific
phenomenon whose dire consequences have been greatly exaggerated to achieve political
and monetary gain.

Why is it the people that know the least are the biggest blowhards? You haven't told me a thing
about Lomborg that I didn't already know although Lomborg would be one of those scientists and experts I cited who haven't swallowed the government approved global warming Kool-Aid.
He's not one of the Chicken Littles who claim dire consequences if we don't dive head first into an unwise agenda and I admire his separating himself from the screaming pack of funded toadies.

He does not toe the party line, dimwit. That's the point.

He believes global warming is real and the consequences if not addressed at all will be dire. Though he sees progress in this regard.

That progress is coming from those who know it is real.

He just does not believe in political accords to solve it, he says we must use alternative energy sources and technology or adapt to may be a warming we cannot stop.

And you are really tender when you are insulted but cannot come up with a better insult than "dimwit."

You need to work on that.
 
You have not made a case there are any clear comparisons with the Syrian Kurds and Vietnam, no historian would, but if you can I await.
Being much smarter than you, apparently, I made no efforts to make direct comparisons between Viet Nam and the Kurds , per se.

I only made comparisons to being bogged down in foreign wars where there was no way to win and
an exit strategy was non existent. Again, the possibility of being caught between Turkey and Russia
for an ally we had already spent lots of money and lives on (where we would have to keep
escalating our military presence in a foreign conflict) after ISIS was put down (which actually was a much bigger deal for the Kurds than any material benefit we could gain).

I hope you got the message by now. I don't intend to squabble over this non point endlessly). You haven't made any comments about how this military quagmire was NOT like Viet Nam so I have to assume
you agree but are too cowardly to say so.




The strategy with the Syrian Kurds was clear, defeat ISIS and then keep our diplomatic assurances (as we did with the Iraqi Kurds post the First Gulf War) and protect them until a settlement can be made with the Syrian government.

The objectives were clear, militarily they were achieved and political they were making progress.

And then Trump turned tail and ran.
Maybe if you didn't have to exaggerate and make crap up in order to slander Trump again.
 
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