Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people

[Coyote]

Lots of nations are attacked. What a colossally stupid thing of you to say.

Name the current countries which are being attacked as to their validity to exist.

Or to the rights of its indigenous people being sovereign of any part of their ancient homeland.

Off the top of my head, Catalonia and Tibet. There are many others but I’m not sure how to look it up. As for countries that were attacked in the last hundred years alone, too many to name.

Oh... and Palestine.

Palestine was never a country. A Nation, or anything else but the name of a region, given by the Romans after they defeated the JEWS
in 135 CE.

Catalonia was never a country. It wants Independence from Spain, which is different.

Tibet is a country conquered by the Chinese. But the Tibetans are not being denied their sovereign or indigenous rights to Tibet.

All 3 of those countries are being denied their perceived indigenous rights to self-determination in their country. And they’re not even arguing that minorities they don’t like should have lesser rights than they do.

You do not care that what you quote is nothing but a lie.
But the Arabs, citizens and loyal to Israel do













So, who do you believe?

The lying sites you read or watch, or the above Arabs and other minorities who have the same rights and are proud of being Israelis?

Arabs do face discrimination in Israel, you do realize that don’t you?

 

[Sixties Fan]

While groups are not separated by official policy, Israel has a number of different sectors within the society that maintain their strong cultural, religious, ideological, and/or ethnic identity. The Israeli foreign ministry maintains that in spite of the existing social cleavages and economic disparities, the political systems and the courts represent strict legal and civic equality. The Israeli foreign ministry describes the country as: "Not a meltingpot society, but rather more of a mosaic made up of different population groups coexisting in the framework of a democratic state".[244]

According to Ishmael Khaldi, an Arab citizen of Israel and the nation's first high-ranking Muslim in the Israeli foreign service, while Israeli society is far from perfect, minorities in Israel fare far better than any other country in the Middle East. He wrote:[245]



In 2009, the Israeli Arab Journalist Khaled Abu Toameh, writing for the Gatestone Institute, declared to a Muslim audience during the Durban Review Conference, that, while there are serious problems facing the Arab sector in Israel: "Israel is a wonderful place to live and we are happy to be there. Israel is a free and open country. If I were given the choice, I would rather live in Israel as a second class citizen than as a first class citizen in Cairo, Gaza, Amman or Ramallah."[246]

(full article online)

Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia

 

[BlackFlag]

While groups are not separated by official policy, Israel has a number of different sectors within the society that maintain their strong cultural, religious, ideological, and/or ethnic identity. The Israeli foreign ministry maintains that in spite of the existing social cleavages and economic disparities, the political systems and the courts represent strict legal and civic equality. The Israeli foreign ministry describes the country as: "Not a meltingpot society, but rather more of a mosaic made up of different population groups coexisting in the framework of a democratic state".[244]

According to Ishmael Khaldi, an Arab citizen of Israel and the nation's first high-ranking Muslim in the Israeli foreign service, while Israeli society is far from perfect, minorities in Israel fare far better than any other country in the Middle East. He wrote:[245]



In 2009, the Israeli Arab Journalist Khaled Abu Toameh, writing for the Gatestone Institute, declared to a Muslim audience during the Durban Review Conference, that, while there are serious problems facing the Arab sector in Israel: "Israel is a wonderful place to live and we are happy to be there. Israel is a free and open country. If I were given the choice, I would rather live in Israel as a second class citizen than as a first class citizen in Cairo, Gaza, Amman or Ramallah."[246]

(full article online)

Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia

What a standard! Minorities fare better in Israel than they do in Yemen! The Israeli government is working to remedy that though, as evidenced by the declaration that is the topic of this thread.

 

[admonit]

Update:
An important part of the law was rejected, among the opponents was President Rivlin.
The law was about to allow municipalities to reject non-Jewish residents.

The clause would allow for communities, including "of a single religion or a single nationality", to build separate towns.
http://www.iataskforce.org/sites/default/files/resource/resource-1586.pdf

This includes Arab municipalities.

I think it is bad idea for communities to be legally segregated. For one thing, it almost always seems to lead to inequitable division of resources. Minority communities, usually poorer and fighting discrimination, end up with substandard infrastructure and education. Lest you think I am picking on Israel, it’s true of many countries including the US.

Permitting Arab communities and forbidding Jewish communities is a good idea?

 

[admonit]

Baby steps.

Sounds not so democratic.

It sounds middle eastern.

Such is impossible in Syria.

This is how middle eastern society has lived for millennias. Jewish, Druze and Kurdish villages in different countries. A natural human instinct is to gather around people with similar behavior.
Actually it's the basis of every society/country.

I don't have a problem with either mixed or homogeneous villages and towns.
It's actually nice to have both.

I agree as long people have the freedom to choose and are not barred.

You cannot choose something that is forbidden.

 

[admonit]

Name the current countries which are being attacked as to their validity to exist.

Or to the rights of its indigenous people being sovereign of any part of their ancient homeland.

Off the top of my head, Catalonia and Tibet. There are many others but I’m not sure how to look it up. As for countries that were attacked in the last hundred years alone, too many to name.

Oh... and Palestine.

Palestine was never a country. A Nation, or anything else but the name of a region, given by the Romans after they defeated the JEWS
in 135 CE.

Catalonia was never a country. It wants Independence from Spain, which is different.

Tibet is a country conquered by the Chinese. But the Tibetans are not being denied their sovereign or indigenous rights to Tibet.

All 3 of those countries are being denied their perceived indigenous rights to self-determination in their country. And they’re not even arguing that minorities they don’t like should have lesser rights than they do.

You do not care that what you quote is nothing but a lie.
But the Arabs, citizens and loyal to Israel do













So, who do you believe?

The lying sites you read or watch, or the above Arabs and other minorities who have the same rights and are proud of being Israelis?

Arabs do face discrimination in Israel, you do realize that don’t you?

The Teacher came.

 

[fncceo]

You cannot choose something that is forbidden.

Of course you can. You just have to be willing to accept the consequences.

Every act is a choice.

 

[flacaltenn]

There were 3 threads on this topic. They are merged. The conversations will sort out by morning.

 

[fncceo]

There were 3 threads on this topic. They are merged. The conversations will sort out by morning.

Not exactly sure I'd classify this as a conversation, by the strict definition of the word.

 

[admonit]

You cannot choose something that is forbidden.

Of course you can. You just have to be willing to accept the consequences.

Every act is a choice.

Crimes and illegality is not the subject of this discussion.

 

[Billo_Really]

Other countries have the same language in their constitutions. Why is it "apartheid" when Israel does it and not when Spain does it?

You fuckers are much worse than South Africa.

 

[rylah]

Other countries have the same language in their constitutions. Why is it "apartheid" when Israel does it and not when Spain does it?

You fuckers are much worse than South Africa.

There's no way of putting Israel in that category, without exercising the discrimination mentioned in the accusation.

 

[rylah]

Unlike the Dutch people, Jews originated in the land of Israel.

Of course YHWH gave South Africa to the Boers. They said so.

Canaan is the ancient name for the land of Israel. The Torah gave Abraham the land of Canaan, which in some cases stretched from southern Syria to the Eastern Sinai and, in other Torah references, was only a small strip hugging the Mediterranean. Under the leadership of Joshua the Israelites conquered Canaan, which had previously been divided into seven city states. Today, the land of Canaan is known as Palestine, Eretz Yisrael and Israel.
The Canaanites​

But Penelope says my mother was a Hittite and my father an Amorite.

That sounds like something out of Monty Python....

I could say it in the last surviving Canaanite dialect if You like...

 

[rylah]

Update:
An important part of the law was rejected, among the opponents was President Rivlin.
The law was about to allow municipalities to reject non-Jewish residents.

The clause would allow for communities, including "of a single religion or a single nationality", to build separate towns.
http://www.iataskforce.org/sites/default/files/resource/resource-1586.pdf

This includes Arab municipalities.

I think it is bad idea for communities to be legally segregated. For one thing, it almost always seems to lead to inequitable division of resources. Minority communities, usually poorer and fighting discrimination, end up with substandard infrastructure and education. Lest you think I am picking on Israel, it’s true of many countries including the US.

Minorities are supposed to be "weak" by default in a stigmatic liberal doctrine.
In this case too it's hard to measure where a systematic focus on eliminating discrimination turns into an evident privilege in the face of the law in practice.
In my opinion, the Arab community is privileged in many ways.

Without going into a cliché line of accusations, this is a very interesting subject of safeguarding culture vs city planning and all around it.

I agree that it's a bad idea for a state to segregate communities, but at the same time it raises other comparable issues. For example should a state force communities to mix? Should a state at the same time enable safeguarding the cultural diversity/distinction for developing tourism, and simply the tradition of the inhabitants?
If we put in percentage - how does a state develop a plan where it can assure the proportion between promoting minorities move into mixed cities, versus the existing number of homogeneous villages for each minority?

 

[rylah]

Baby steps.

Sounds not so democratic.

It sounds middle eastern.

Such is impossible in Syria.

This is how middle eastern society has lived for millennias. Jewish, Druze and Kurdish villages in different countries. A natural human instinct is to gather around people with similar behavior.
Actually it's the basis of every society/country.

I don't have a problem with either mixed or homogeneous villages and towns.
It's actually nice to have both.

I agree as long people have the freedom to choose and are not barred.

Now tell me what happens when an Arab family sues Israel for not being allowed into a Druze village?

 

[Coyote]

Update:
An important part of the law was rejected, among the opponents was President Rivlin.
The law was about to allow municipalities to reject non-Jewish residents.

The clause would allow for communities, including "of a single religion or a single nationality", to build separate towns.
http://www.iataskforce.org/sites/default/files/resource/resource-1586.pdf

This includes Arab municipalities.

I think it is bad idea for communities to be legally segregated. For one thing, it almost always seems to lead to inequitable division of resources. Minority communities, usually poorer and fighting discrimination, end up with substandard infrastructure and education. Lest you think I am picking on Israel, it’s true of many countries including the US.

Permitting Arab communities and forbidding Jewish communities is a good idea?

I did not say that.

 

[Coyote]

Sounds not so democratic.

It sounds middle eastern.

Such is impossible in Syria.

This is how middle eastern society has lived for millennias. Jewish, Druze and Kurdish villages in different countries. A natural human instinct is to gather around people with similar behavior.
Actually it's the basis of every society/country.

I don't have a problem with either mixed or homogeneous villages and towns.
It's actually nice to have both.

I agree as long people have the freedom to choose and are not barred.

Now tell me what happens when an Arab family sues Israel for not being allowed into a Druze village?

Why should be legally barred from living somewhere based on ethnicity, race or religion?

 

[Coyote]

Sounds not so democratic.

It sounds middle eastern.

Such is impossible in Syria.

This is how middle eastern society has lived for millennias. Jewish, Druze and Kurdish villages in different countries. A natural human instinct is to gather around people with similar behavior.
Actually it's the basis of every society/country.

I don't have a problem with either mixed or homogeneous villages and towns.
It's actually nice to have both.

I agree as long people have the freedom to choose and are not barred.

You cannot choose something that is forbidden.

Duh...that is my point.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel Legislates Apartheid into Law

 

[Sixties Fan]

Israel Legislates Apartheid into Law

Now, for our benefit, list the ways in which Israel is establishing the same laws, etc as was done in South Africa.

Because if there is Zero ways in your list.....(and that is what we are going to get) it is not Apartheid.

Never has been and never will be in Israel.

Anti Israel "News Organizations" do not create the truth or reality.

Definitely NOT "The Real News"