Now I understand why Trump wanted it. GOP got completely outplayed again. Not increasing the debt ceiling means that Trump cannot enact his tax cuts.

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I have to admit, it's so easy to appear to be a great tactician when you have a willing partner on the other side, which the Dems always have.

Apparently Trump cannot decrease taxes without the increase to the debt ceiling. This means even when GOP have total control, they will have to bend to the Dems to increase the debt ceiling for Trump to be able to cut taxes because from the sources I heard from your Congressional Budget Office will rule that he cannot cut taxes because they don't have the money, the balance sheet doesn't add up.

This also goes for the mass deportation efforts which costs money.

After some research it is clear that once Trump takes office he is going to have to lay the hammer down and not agree to sign ANYTHING unless he is able to cut costs so that he can afford his other campaign promises. He has zero wiggle room. He is going to have to demand that his reps find "pay-fors" so that he can make it work.

Inflation is going to continue to increase. I don't even see many big differences between the first Bill and the final Bill, it's why the Dems voted for it unanonymously. IF Trump can cut massive fat, he might be able to decrease inflation. He's going to have to look at the Argentina model.

If I am Trump, I execute multiple E.Os on day one and then I meet with Musk, Vivek and Rand Paul and dissect what needs to happen to cut costs, get pay-fors so that Trump can operate to enact his campaign promises.

Trumps second term is going to be inconsequential if he doesn't get spending under control. You are going to have two years of some blind dancing by Fox News, but citizens will not experience savings in their lives, Dems will take back the House in two years and all the while they will be in defacto control anyways as they are going to be needed in order to increase your debt ceiling.

Maybe Trumps nominees can make a difference and/or DOGE can find massive savings that will be enacted, but his hands are going to be tied. The shutdown would have been the better outcome for the GOP IMO. How much of the money they just signed is going to be quietly shifted over to big law firms who will fight Trump at every turn?

The Dems outplayed the GOP which shouldn't surprise anyone. It isn't always known immediately, but after I do some research, it always becomes clear and it's the same outcome, the Dems outplay GOP once again. The loser is the American consumer and the possibility of avoiding U.S solvency.
 
The Debt ceiling will be raised, this is the Kabuki dance that always happens when it needs to be raised.

In 2025 the Republicans either hang together or they will hang separately.
If Chip Roy and the deficit hawks fight the tax cuts, the US wins but the MSM will club Republicans as "chaotic and unable to govern" even though its the right thing to do fiscally.

If Elon and Vivek can pull a "brilliancy" and find $2T to cut, that may save the tax cuts, but I doubt they will find $2T to cut.
 
I have to admit, it's so easy to appear to be a great tactician when you have a willing partner on the other side, which the Dems always have.

Apparently Trump cannot decrease taxes without the increase to the debt ceiling. This means even when GOP have total control, they will have to bend to the Dems to increase the debt ceiling for Trump to be able to cut taxes because from the sources I heard from your Congressional Budget Office will rule that he cannot cut taxes because they don't have the money, the balance sheet doesn't add up.

This also goes for the mass deportation efforts which costs money.

After some research it is clear that once Trump takes office he is going to have to lay the hammer down and not agree to sign ANYTHING unless he is able to cut costs so that he can afford his other campaign promises. He has zero wiggle room. He is going to have to demand that his reps find "pay-fors" so that he can make it work.

Inflation is going to continue to increase. I don't even see many big differences between the first Bill and the final Bill, it's why the Dems voted for it unanonymously. IF Trump can cut massive fat, he might be able to decrease inflation. He's going to have to look at the Argentina model.

If I am Trump, I execute multiple E.Os on day one and then I meet with Musk, Vivek and Rand Paul and dissect what needs to happen to cut costs, get pay-fors so that Trump can operate to enact his campaign promises.

Trumps second term is going to be inconsequential if he doesn't get spending under control. You are going to have two years of some blind dancing by Fox News, but citizens will not experience savings in their lives, Dems will take back the House in two years and all the while they will be in defacto control anyways as they are going to be needed in order to increase your debt ceiling.

Maybe Trumps nominees can make a difference and/or DOGE can find massive savings that will be enacted, but his hands are going to be tied. The shutdown would have been the better outcome for the GOP IMO. How much of the money they just signed is going to be quietly shifted over to big law firms who will fight Trump at every turn?

The Dems outplayed the GOP which shouldn't surprise anyone. It isn't always known immediately, but after I do some research, it always becomes clear and it's the same outcome, the Dems outplay GOP once again. The loser is the American consumer and the possibility of avoiding U.S solvency.
The super-rich don't need tax cuts idiot. Trump is going to spend like he did the last time. You see, this is your problem for living in Canada and running your mouth about America. Cutting taxes for the rich and corporations helped create the record deficits that trump had in his first presidency. His spending set a record for debt accumulated in a 4-year term.

And DOGE? LOL! What they propose will completely fuck up the American economy. The problem here is not spending. The problem here is the loss of over 1 trillion dollars annually due to a social problem almost everybody wants to ignore.

Do the research instead of bleating right-wing nonsense from the Klondike.

America has lost 51 trillion dollars since 1990, and it's because of RACISM. And if you want to be like these right-wing American whites and dismiss this read this and then STHU.


And if you don't like, that pick one:

 
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The super-rich don't need tax cuts idiot. Trump is going to spend like he did the last time. You see, this is your problem for living in Canada and running your mouth about America. Cutting taxes for the rich and corporations helped create the record deficits that trump had in his first presidency. His spending set a record for debt accumulated in a 4-year term.

And DOGE? LOL! What they propose will completely fuck up the American economy. The problem here is not sending. The problem here is the loss of over 1 trillion dollars annually due to a social problem almost everybody wants to ignore.

Do the research instead of bleating right-wing nonsense from the Klondike. America has lost 51 trillion dollars since 1990, and it's because of RACISM. And if you want to be like these right-wing American whites and dismiss this read this and then STHU.
Here is a CNN link that says $16T in the last 20-years.

Economists could also do a similar study about poor white folks.
The top 10% own 90% of everything. Its not just racism, its also the "wealth gap".

There is also a "two parent gap" and an "IQ gap:" and a "reading and math gap", etc.
 
I have to admit, it's so easy to appear to be a great tactician when you have a willing partner on the other side, which the Dems always have.

Apparently Trump cannot decrease taxes without the increase to the debt ceiling. This means even when GOP have total control, they will have to bend to the Dems to increase the debt ceiling for Trump to be able to cut taxes because from the sources I heard from your Congressional Budget Office will rule that he cannot cut taxes because they don't have the money, the balance sheet doesn't add up.

This also goes for the mass deportation efforts which costs money.

After some research it is clear that once Trump takes office he is going to have to lay the hammer down and not agree to sign ANYTHING unless he is able to cut costs so that he can afford his other campaign promises. He has zero wiggle room. He is going to have to demand that his reps find "pay-fors" so that he can make it work.

Inflation is going to continue to increase. I don't even see many big differences between the first Bill and the final Bill, it's why the Dems voted for it unanonymously. IF Trump can cut massive fat, he might be able to decrease inflation. He's going to have to look at the Argentina model.

If I am Trump, I execute multiple E.Os on day one and then I meet with Musk, Vivek and Rand Paul and dissect what needs to happen to cut costs, get pay-fors so that Trump can operate to enact his campaign promises.

Trumps second term is going to be inconsequential if he doesn't get spending under control. You are going to have two years of some blind dancing by Fox News, but citizens will not experience savings in their lives, Dems will take back the House in two years and all the while they will be in defacto control anyways as they are going to be needed in order to increase your debt ceiling.

Maybe Trumps nominees can make a difference and/or DOGE can find massive savings that will be enacted, but his hands are going to be tied. The shutdown would have been the better outcome for the GOP IMO. How much of the money they just signed is going to be quietly shifted over to big law firms who will fight Trump at every turn?

The Dems outplayed the GOP which shouldn't surprise anyone. It isn't always known immediately, but after I do some research, it always becomes clear and it's the same outcome, the Dems outplay GOP once again. The loser is the American consumer and the possibility of avoiding U.S solvency.
The CBO can provide information as to its estimate of consequence of policy but it has no power to make/dictate policy.

Trump wanted the meaningless debt ceiling removed so he doesn't have to waste time on another debt ceiling fight in March while he is getting his administration into full speed and effectiveness. Never count him out though when he is determined to accomplish something.
 
The super-rich don't need tax cuts idiot. Trump is going to spend like he did the last time. You see, this is your problem for living in Canada and running your mouth about America. Cutting taxes for the rich and corporations helped create the record deficits that trump had in his first presidency. His spending set a record for debt accumulated in a 4-year term.

And DOGE? LOL! What they propose will completely fuck up the American economy. The problem here is not sending. The problem here is the loss of over 1 trillion dollars annually due to a social problem almost everybody wants to ignore.

Do the research instead of bleating right-wing nonsense from the Klondike.

America has lost 51 trillion dollars since 1990, and it's because of RACISM. And if you want to be like these right-wing American whites and dismiss this read this and then STHU.


And if you don't like, that pick one:


Thanks for the link.

Daly and her co-authors calculated what the gains to GDP would be if those and other race-based gaps were erased: if Black and Hispanic men and women held jobs at the same rates as whites, if they completed college at the same rates as whites, and if they earned the same as whites.

If they were as smart as whites, if they worked as hard as whites, if they learned to read and write and speak like whites, if they were law-abiding like whites.
 
Well that was a shitshow for nothing. And now President Musk was just served notice that he is a lame duck.
 
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Here is a CNN link that says $16T in the last 20-years.

Economists could also do a similar study about poor white folks.
The top 10% own 90% of everything. Its not just racism, its also the "wealth gap".

There is also a "two parent gap" and an "IQ gap:" and a "reading and math gap", etc.

Your third sentence is more racist mumbo jumbo. Again, America has lost 51 trillion since 1990 and a lot more than that since the beginning of this country because of white racism. The IQ gap exists among whites like you who are blind to the true economic implications of keeping groups of people unemployed or underpaid. The system was made to favor whites, the white poor participate in the racism. Poor, uneducated whites voted for Trump only because he was white and promises them white supremacy. They will remain poor, but they will still believe they are supreme.
 
Fine. Then it’s time to follow the 1812 Plan…. Burn Washington to the ground and start over from scratch. Simple as that.
 
Your third sentence is more racist mumbo jumbo. Again, America has lost 51 trillion since 1990 and a lot more than that since the beginning of this country because of white racism. The IQ gap exists among whites like you who are blind to the true economic implications of keeping groups of people unemployed or underpaid. The system was made to favor whites, the white poor participate in the racism. Poor, uneducated whites voted for Trump only because he was white and promises them white supremacy. They will remain poor, but they will still believe they are supreme.

Again, America has lost 51 trillion since 1990 and a lot more than that since the beginning of this country because of white racism

GDP, gross domestic PRODUCT, was $51 trillion lower because minorities are less PRODUCTIVE than whites.

It's not racist for less productive people to earn less.

If you can help figure out why that group is less productive, you could help them
fix their shortcomings. That would be best both for them and for US GDP.

PS, your whining isn't productive.
 
I have to admit, it's so easy to appear to be a great tactician when you have a willing partner on the other side, which the Dems always have.

Apparently Trump cannot decrease taxes without the increase to the debt ceiling. This means even when GOP have total control, they will have to bend to the Dems to increase the debt ceiling for Trump to be able to cut taxes because from the sources I heard from your Congressional Budget Office will rule that he cannot cut taxes because they don't have the money, the balance sheet doesn't add up.

This also goes for the mass deportation efforts which costs money.

After some research it is clear that once Trump takes office he is going to have to lay the hammer down and not agree to sign ANYTHING unless he is able to cut costs so that he can afford his other campaign promises. He has zero wiggle room. He is going to have to demand that his reps find "pay-fors" so that he can make it work.

Inflation is going to continue to increase. I don't even see many big differences between the first Bill and the final Bill, it's why the Dems voted for it unanonymously. IF Trump can cut massive fat, he might be able to decrease inflation. He's going to have to look at the Argentina model.

If I am Trump, I execute multiple E.Os on day one and then I meet with Musk, Vivek and Rand Paul and dissect what needs to happen to cut costs, get pay-fors so that Trump can operate to enact his campaign promises.

Trumps second term is going to be inconsequential if he doesn't get spending under control. You are going to have two years of some blind dancing by Fox News, but citizens will not experience savings in their lives, Dems will take back the House in two years and all the while they will be in defacto control anyways as they are going to be needed in order to increase your debt ceiling.

Maybe Trumps nominees can make a difference and/or DOGE can find massive savings that will be enacted, but his hands are going to be tied. The shutdown would have been the better outcome for the GOP IMO. How much of the money they just signed is going to be quietly shifted over to big law firms who will fight Trump at every turn?

The Dems outplayed the GOP which shouldn't surprise anyone. It isn't always known immediately, but after I do some research, it always becomes clear and it's the same outcome, the Dems outplay GOP once again. The loser is the American consumer and the possibility of avoiding U.S solvency.
Revenues go up after tax cuts.
 
Your third sentence is more racist mumbo jumbo. Again, America has lost 51 trillion since 1990 and a lot more than that since the beginning of this country because of white racism. The IQ gap exists among whites like you who are blind to the true economic implications of keeping groups of people unemployed or underpaid. The system was made to favor whites, the white poor participate in the racism. Poor, uneducated whites voted for Trump only because he was white and promises them white supremacy. They will remain poor, but they will still believe they are supreme.
What a lying sack of shit race baiter you are.

Link us up to Trump promising whites supremacy IM2
 

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