Not Black Enough Syndrome

[PoliticalChic]

I just want to add one point. I've made it know that I am a Liberal who has Libertarian leanings, I've made it known that I have disagreed with some of President Obama's policies, I've made it known that I voted for Gary Johnson , I've made it known that i would vote for a democrat , republican, Libertarian, etc if I agreed with their policies, I've made it known that I was disappointed with some of Obamcare's provisions, I've made it known that I am pro-second Amendment, yet in this forum where some people have NO problem hurling insults, I have yet to be called an "Uncle Tom" or even be insulted by ANY self described Black poster here or democrat, etc. I have been insulted by some republican conservatives here though.
How do you explain that? This is real time right here, there are plenty of Black people, democrats, and Liberals here.

OK....I'll see your personal anecdote,...

...and raise you with what the Liberals did to Condi Rice.


Your bid.

 

[Sunshine]

1. In my youth I wanted so badly to fit in. I wanted to be a regular black kid like the other black kids. The problem was, as was pointed out in my eighth grade English class: “He talk like a white boy!”

2. My best friend lived in a white neighborhood and had the same debilitation: correct usage, impeccable diction, large vocabulary. Woe is us. So, for a week of so, we tried. We spent the entire week calling each other *******. “Nigga, please!” and “Nigga, whatchu talkin’ ‘bout.” But our proper English kept getting in the way, and the experiment failed.




3. I’m certain that my life would have been different had I kept trying. One thing is certain, I would have has greater success with women! Talking like a white boy hit me most often where it counts- my ability to get nookie. I discovered, much to my chagrin, that black women are highly sensitive to the Not Black Enough Syndrome. Black women like the jive talk.

4. It is an actual syndrome. Not only have I lived it, but it is also documented in the book “Black Rage,” written by two black psychiatrists, William H. Grier and Price M. Cobbs. Page 127: “A group of black men was asked to describe their techniques of seduction. Without exception, each one said that at a crucial point he reverted to the patois. Black women said they experienced an intensification of excitement when their lovers reverted to the ‘old language.’”

a. Of course, it had been pointed out in the eighth grade, I don’t have the patois. I fell to my knees and pleaded with God: “WHY? WHY DON’T I HAVE THE PATOIS??”

b. They go on to say: “For the black man in the United States, the boudoir is a field of combat in which rightfully or not he is deemed by his society pre-eminent. His use of patois,…may dramatically highlight an already heroic presence.”





5. Need proof? I dated Robin Givens years before she was Robin Givens. I was laying down my best stuff, wore my good cologne, told my best jokes trying to sound sophisticated. Even got in good with her mother. Nothing. Years later she married Mike Tyson. Later, I heard her on a radio interview with Howard Stern, talking about how she loves really thuggish black guys. What a gyp! I go to school, stay out of trouble, really try to make something of myself, but the street thug gets to make love to Robin Givens.

6. Well, I refuse to fake the funk for anyone. Even Robin Givens. Now, as an actor, I can fake the sound and syntax, the turn of phrase, the inflection, if a part requires it. But, it is not my normal way of speaking. Hardly a week goes by without someone commenting on my ‘proper’ speech. In fact, an actor I worked with reminded him of a professor he had in Trinidad, and he swore that one day, the professor waded out too far in the ocean, and, instead of hollering “Help! Help!,” he called out “Excuse me, may I have some assistance please?”



7. Fortunately there is a happy ending. Years after rebounding from the Givens snub, I met and fell in love with a pretty young black woman with red hair and freckles, who would become my wife. Oddly enough, while we were dating, I would speak to her on the phone, and find myself thinking, “She talk like a white girl.”
It was a match made in heaven.
The above from Joseph C. Phillips' book "He Talk Like A White Boy"




I hope that the above serves as education and a cautionary tale for our Liberal friends:
all black people are not the same.

Nor must they be ground to dust if they don't fit your political perspective.

They don't all eat soul food either!

 

[Pheonixops]

I just want to add one point. I've made it know that I am a Liberal who has Libertarian leanings, I've made it known that I have disagreed with some of President Obama's policies, I've made it known that I voted for Gary Johnson , I've made it known that i would vote for a democrat , republican, Libertarian, etc if I agreed with their policies, I've made it known that I was disappointed with some of Obamcare's provisions, I've made it known that I am pro-second Amendment, yet in this forum where some people have NO problem hurling insults, I have yet to be called an "Uncle Tom" or even be insulted by ANY self described Black poster here or democrat, etc. I have been insulted by some republican conservatives here though.
How do you explain that? This is real time right here, there are plenty of Black people, democrats, and Liberals here.

OK....I'll see your personal anecdote,...

...and raise you with what the Liberals did to Condi Rice.


Your bid.

What a minority of them did to her was quite tasteless. What people tend to omit is that she actually has received these:
Condoleezza Rice Gets NAACP Image Award | wusa9.com
"No Higher Honor: A Memoir of My Years in Washington" - Condoleezza Rice

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. In my youth I wanted so badly to fit in. I wanted to be a regular black kid like the other black kids. The problem was, as was pointed out in my eighth grade English class: “He talk like a white boy!”

2. My best friend lived in a white neighborhood and had the same debilitation: correct usage, impeccable diction, large vocabulary. Woe is us. So, for a week of so, we tried. We spent the entire week calling each other *******. “Nigga, please!” and “Nigga, whatchu talkin’ ‘bout.” But our proper English kept getting in the way, and the experiment failed.




3. I’m certain that my life would have been different had I kept trying. One thing is certain, I would have has greater success with women! Talking like a white boy hit me most often where it counts- my ability to get nookie. I discovered, much to my chagrin, that black women are highly sensitive to the Not Black Enough Syndrome. Black women like the jive talk.

4. It is an actual syndrome. Not only have I lived it, but it is also documented in the book “Black Rage,” written by two black psychiatrists, William H. Grier and Price M. Cobbs. Page 127: “A group of black men was asked to describe their techniques of seduction. Without exception, each one said that at a crucial point he reverted to the patois. Black women said they experienced an intensification of excitement when their lovers reverted to the ‘old language.’”

a. Of course, it had been pointed out in the eighth grade, I don’t have the patois. I fell to my knees and pleaded with God: “WHY? WHY DON’T I HAVE THE PATOIS??”

b. They go on to say: “For the black man in the United States, the boudoir is a field of combat in which rightfully or not he is deemed by his society pre-eminent. His use of patois,…may dramatically highlight an already heroic presence.”





5. Need proof? I dated Robin Givens years before she was Robin Givens. I was laying down my best stuff, wore my good cologne, told my best jokes trying to sound sophisticated. Even got in good with her mother. Nothing. Years later she married Mike Tyson. Later, I heard her on a radio interview with Howard Stern, talking about how she loves really thuggish black guys. What a gyp! I go to school, stay out of trouble, really try to make something of myself, but the street thug gets to make love to Robin Givens.

6. Well, I refuse to fake the funk for anyone. Even Robin Givens. Now, as an actor, I can fake the sound and syntax, the turn of phrase, the inflection, if a part requires it. But, it is not my normal way of speaking. Hardly a week goes by without someone commenting on my ‘proper’ speech. In fact, an actor I worked with reminded him of a professor he had in Trinidad, and he swore that one day, the professor waded out too far in the ocean, and, instead of hollering “Help! Help!,” he called out “Excuse me, may I have some assistance please?”



7. Fortunately there is a happy ending. Years after rebounding from the Givens snub, I met and fell in love with a pretty young black woman with red hair and freckles, who would become my wife. Oddly enough, while we were dating, I would speak to her on the phone, and find myself thinking, “She talk like a white girl.”
It was a match made in heaven.
The above from Joseph C. Phillips' book "He Talk Like A White Boy"




I hope that the above serves as education and a cautionary tale for our Liberal friends:
all black people are not the same.

Nor must they be ground to dust if they don't fit your political perspective.

They don't all eat soul food either!

You just named item 3 in post #8, here:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-relations-racism/285210-is-there-only-one-way-to-be-black.html

 

[ClosedCaption]

Well Chic will tell you that the reason the NAACP gave Condi the award is because liberals hate black conservatives, wait.
Because liberals think black conservatives are uncle toms, wait.
Because liberals hate when blacks think for themselves, wait
Because....UH...she wants to believe it. That's final!

 

[tinydancer]

Well Chic will tell you that the reason the NAACP gave Condi the award is because liberals hate black conservatives, wait.
Because liberals think black conservatives are uncle toms, wait.
Because liberals hate when blacks think for themselves, wait
Because....UH...she wants to believe it. That's final!

I think our biggest problem is that old "broad brush".

I wish it wasn't this way in North America. When one of my bestest friend Phil went missing in Jamaica, I pulled out all company stops to find him.

Because I'm from the music industry, I was able to call up some markers and the whole island was "Phil man the lady is looking for you man" I found my friend.

I'm white he's black, who cares? He's my friend and I found him. I really don't get this supposed hate between each other.

I know I don't hate. I don't get it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well Chic will tell you that the reason the NAACP gave Condi the award is because liberals hate black conservatives, wait.
Because liberals think black conservatives are uncle toms, wait.
Because liberals hate when blacks think for themselves, wait
Because....UH...she wants to believe it. That's final!

I think our biggest problem is that old "broad brush".

I wish it wasn't this way in North America. When one of my bestest friend Phil went missing in Jamaica, I pulled out all company stops to find him.

Because I'm from the music industry, I was able to call up some markers and the whole island was "Phil man the lady is looking for you man" I found my friend.

I'm white he's black, who cares? He's my friend and I found him. I really don't get this supposed hate between each other.

I know I don't hate. I don't get it.

It's political, not personal, as in your example.


Without the black vote firmly behind the Left, they would never win an election.

So they must deride black conservatives more than they attack any other group.


"...what would happen if a smaller percentage of blacks turned out [to vote Democrat]:

- At 90 percent black turn-out, Wisconsin’s 10 electoral votes slide into the GOP column.

- At 75 percent black turn-out, Pennsylvania’s 21 electoral votes go Republican.

- At 70 percent Michigan’s 17 electoral votes turn from blue to red.

- At 50 percent the GOP collects Delawre’s three electoral votes.

I don’t know what a realistic number to project is for the effects of angry black apathy, but I’ll stop at 50 percent. It may be that going as low as 75 percent is unrealistic. Most likely it’s impossible to say. (And this doesn’t take into account things like congressional districts where black voters make the margin of difference.)"
Do Democrats need the black vote? | RobertEmmet Democrats need the black vote? | RobertEmmet


And if, in the 90% example above, the 10% voted Republican, that would change the 90% to the equivalent of 80%.

The other examples, even worse.

So....they hammer and ridicule black conservatives.
And lionize any like Colin Powell.

 

[katsteve2012]

This is actually a good topic and thread. Let's get back to me; I'm not a Democrat, I vote for people from all parties who meet my criteria. I have articulated that fact amongst Black folks, I'm not ostracized and called insulting names. I have had discussions with the aforementioned people (some of them relatives and friends) where I disagreed with some of President Obama's policies and they actually agreed with me. I voted for Gary Johnson and they know that as well. No "uncle tom" shit, no attitude, just normal.

Here's where I see the "problem" with SOME Black republicans/conservatives lie; for starters they are aligning themselves with a party that after the Civil Rights movement enacted the Southern Strategy (see the admissions by Lee Atwater, Mehlman, Steel, and now seemingly Priebus) which alienated the Republicans from Black people.At this time, the Democrats stepped up and gave them more representation (House of Representatives, Mayors, etc.). Secondly, not a few of them pander to their White republican audience by making insulting comments about a MAJORITY of Black people. Here are some examples;
Jessie Lee Peterson , black conservative.
""One of the things that I would do is take all black people back to the South and put them on the plantation so they would understand the ethic of working," Peterson told The Huffington Post's Black Voices on Tuesday afternoon. "I'm going to put them all on the plantation. They need a good hard education on what it is to work."

Alan West, black conservative:
"GOP Rep. Allen West believes that the Democratic Party is akin to a modern-day “plantation.” "
"“The people on that plantation are upset because they’ve been disregarded, disrespected and their concerns are not cared about…I’m here as the modern-day Harriet Tubman to kind of lead people on the underground railroad away from that plantation into a sense of sensibility.”"

Herman Cain:
"Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Monday night on Fox News' "The Sean Hannity Show" that he "left the Democratic plantation," echoing language used by African-American Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) this summer."
Add the "Blacks are brainwashed" statement to the one above.

Of course many Black people are going to be insulted by those blanket, ignorant, insults and generalizations made by the aforementioned people. Of course some people will respond to the assholes above with insults. Those clowns need to realize (I'm sure that they do.) that being on a "plantation" wasn't voluntary. Many were treated like animals and property, many were abused and treated brutally. Being a Democrat is VOLUNTARY and in the past 50+ years that party HAS encouraged Black people to join their ranks in leadership positions. The republicans in the past 50+ years have pretty much not done that in fact they seemed adversarial. Just look at the insulting things not a few republicans and conservatives say about Blacks on this forum!!!

Some of these "Black conservatives" say those insulting things to act as proxies for their White racist counterparts. In my opinion, they do this to garner approval and material gain from the aforementioned people. It's pretty much in the same vein as people saying; "See! They call themselves *******, so why can't we call them *******?".

In short, I think that there's a more positive and productive way to put their message out there, see Tony Brown. Put out good ideas and NOT blanket inaccurate insults and generalizations. The part of the message coming from the west's, cain, and peterson that sticks out to some if not many Black people the most, is translated as the aforementioned saying to White republican/conservatives: "See those ******* who vote democrat are dumb, lazy, and want handouts.". That couldn't be any further from the truth about the majority of Black people who vote Democrat.

I find it funny when some republicans (Black and White) come out with that bullshit about "Martin Luther King was a republican." crap. Do those people actually think that he would agree with them?

"If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas." King was more than just talk in this regard. Working through his Operation Breadbasket, King threatened boycotts of businesses that did not hire blacks in proportion to their population. "

"King was even an early proponent of reparations. In his 1964 book, Why We Can’t Wait, he wrote,
No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law."

"King of course was a great opponent of the free economy. In a speech in front of his staff in 1966 he said,

You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry… Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong…with capitalism… There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a Democratic Socialism."


Sound familiar?

Great topic, and some thought provoking commentary on your part as usual. What I find to be a shared irony among the likes of Clarence Thomas, Jesse Lee Petersen, and Alan West, is that their opportunities for upward mobility were spawned from the sacrifices and contributions of those who represented some of the
very same liberal ideology that they currently express disdain for.


Some of those who post here who are only capable of parroting right wing conservative "talking points", fail to realize that had there not been a liberal/progressive led civil rights movement, that was paid for with human life, that these so called examples of "black excellence" would not exist today.

Like you, I do not buy in 100% to any political agenda or political candidate. However, the blind loyalty in the face of outright stupidity that certain public figures like Thomas, Petersen and West demonstrate towards those that they pander to should make anyone who is thinking, question their motives, especially when you consider where they came from, which is what they seem to have forgotten.

 

[Pheonixops]

This is actually a good topic and thread. Let's get back to me; I'm not a Democrat, I vote for people from all parties who meet my criteria. I have articulated that fact amongst Black folks, I'm not ostracized and called insulting names. I have had discussions with the aforementioned people (some of them relatives and friends) where I disagreed with some of President Obama's policies and they actually agreed with me. I voted for Gary Johnson and they know that as well. No "uncle tom" shit, no attitude, just normal.

Here's where I see the "problem" with SOME Black republicans/conservatives lie; for starters they are aligning themselves with a party that after the Civil Rights movement enacted the Southern Strategy (see the admissions by Lee Atwater, Mehlman, Steel, and now seemingly Priebus) which alienated the Republicans from Black people.At this time, the Democrats stepped up and gave them more representation (House of Representatives, Mayors, etc.). Secondly, not a few of them pander to their White republican audience by making insulting comments about a MAJORITY of Black people. Here are some examples;
Jessie Lee Peterson , black conservative.
""One of the things that I would do is take all black people back to the South and put them on the plantation so they would understand the ethic of working," Peterson told The Huffington Post's Black Voices on Tuesday afternoon. "I'm going to put them all on the plantation. They need a good hard education on what it is to work."

Alan West, black conservative:
"GOP Rep. Allen West believes that the Democratic Party is akin to a modern-day “plantation.” "
"“The people on that plantation are upset because they’ve been disregarded, disrespected and their concerns are not cared about…I’m here as the modern-day Harriet Tubman to kind of lead people on the underground railroad away from that plantation into a sense of sensibility.”"

Herman Cain:
"Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Monday night on Fox News' "The Sean Hannity Show" that he "left the Democratic plantation," echoing language used by African-American Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) this summer."
Add the "Blacks are brainwashed" statement to the one above.

Of course many Black people are going to be insulted by those blanket, ignorant, insults and generalizations made by the aforementioned people. Of course some people will respond to the assholes above with insults. Those clowns need to realize (I'm sure that they do.) that being on a "plantation" wasn't voluntary. Many were treated like animals and property, many were abused and treated brutally. Being a Democrat is VOLUNTARY and in the past 50+ years that party HAS encouraged Black people to join their ranks in leadership positions. The republicans in the past 50+ years have pretty much not done that in fact they seemed adversarial. Just look at the insulting things not a few republicans and conservatives say about Blacks on this forum!!!

Some of these "Black conservatives" say those insulting things to act as proxies for their White racist counterparts. In my opinion, they do this to garner approval and material gain from the aforementioned people. It's pretty much in the same vein as people saying; "See! They call themselves *******, so why can't we call them *******?".

In short, I think that there's a more positive and productive way to put their message out there, see Tony Brown. Put out good ideas and NOT blanket inaccurate insults and generalizations. The part of the message coming from the west's, cain, and peterson that sticks out to some if not many Black people the most, is translated as the aforementioned saying to White republican/conservatives: "See those ******* who vote democrat are dumb, lazy, and want handouts.". That couldn't be any further from the truth about the majority of Black people who vote Democrat.

I find it funny when some republicans (Black and White) come out with that bullshit about "Martin Luther King was a republican." crap. Do those people actually think that he would agree with them?

"If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas." King was more than just talk in this regard. Working through his Operation Breadbasket, King threatened boycotts of businesses that did not hire blacks in proportion to their population. "

"King was even an early proponent of reparations. In his 1964 book, Why We Can’t Wait, he wrote,
No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law."

"King of course was a great opponent of the free economy. In a speech in front of his staff in 1966 he said,

You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry… Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong…with capitalism… There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a Democratic Socialism."


Sound familiar?

Great topic, and some thought provoking commentary on your part as usual. What I find to be a shared irony among the likes of Clarence Thomas, Jesse Lee Petersen, and Alan West, is that their opportunities for upward mobility were spawned from the sacrifices and contributions of those who represented some of the
very same liberal ideology that they currently express disdain for.


Some of those who post here who are only capable of parroting right wing conservative "talking points", fail to realize that had there not been a liberal/progressive led civil rights movement, that was paid for with human life, that these so called examples of "black excellence" would not exist today.

Like you, I do not buy in 100% to any political agenda or political candidate. However, the blind loyalty in the face of outright stupidity that certain public figures like Thomas, Petersen and West demonstrate towards those that they pander to should make anyone who is thinking, question their motives, especially when you consider where they came from, which is what they seem to have forgotten.

Excellent post, excellent points. That leads us to the current "Great Black Hope" for the Republicans, Dr. Ben Carson; the question I have, is how did he get accepted to and how was he able to afford going to Yale when he came from poor family? Could that have been the result o the "evil" Affirmative Action? What about when he attended medical school or was hired at Johns Hopkins? In case people want to say that there wasn't Affirmative Action then, here's a link to the history of it: Affirmative action in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I wonder why some people didn't touch on that real life and real time fact I bought up about the "Black libruls or Democrats" on this forum not calling me an "Uncle Tom"? In my opinion I think it messes up their assertion about the alleged ignorance of Black democrats and liberals. Some people tend to try take the worst people and samples from the "Black community" and try to portray the aforementioned as "the Blacks" in general and "the Blacks" as a majority, when it's completely false. It says a LOT about their motives.

 

[katsteve2012]

This is actually a good topic and thread. Let's get back to me; I'm not a Democrat, I vote for people from all parties who meet my criteria. I have articulated that fact amongst Black folks, I'm not ostracized and called insulting names. I have had discussions with the aforementioned people (some of them relatives and friends) where I disagreed with some of President Obama's policies and they actually agreed with me. I voted for Gary Johnson and they know that as well. No "uncle tom" shit, no attitude, just normal.

Here's where I see the "problem" with SOME Black republicans/conservatives lie; for starters they are aligning themselves with a party that after the Civil Rights movement enacted the Southern Strategy (see the admissions by Lee Atwater, Mehlman, Steel, and now seemingly Priebus) which alienated the Republicans from Black people.At this time, the Democrats stepped up and gave them more representation (House of Representatives, Mayors, etc.). Secondly, not a few of them pander to their White republican audience by making insulting comments about a MAJORITY of Black people. Here are some examples;
Jessie Lee Peterson , black conservative.
""One of the things that I would do is take all black people back to the South and put them on the plantation so they would understand the ethic of working," Peterson told The Huffington Post's Black Voices on Tuesday afternoon. "I'm going to put them all on the plantation. They need a good hard education on what it is to work."

Alan West, black conservative:
"GOP Rep. Allen West believes that the Democratic Party is akin to a modern-day “plantation.” "
"“The people on that plantation are upset because they’ve been disregarded, disrespected and their concerns are not cared about…I’m here as the modern-day Harriet Tubman to kind of lead people on the underground railroad away from that plantation into a sense of sensibility.”"

Herman Cain:
"Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Monday night on Fox News' "The Sean Hannity Show" that he "left the Democratic plantation," echoing language used by African-American Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) this summer."
Add the "Blacks are brainwashed" statement to the one above.

Of course many Black people are going to be insulted by those blanket, ignorant, insults and generalizations made by the aforementioned people. Of course some people will respond to the assholes above with insults. Those clowns need to realize (I'm sure that they do.) that being on a "plantation" wasn't voluntary. Many were treated like animals and property, many were abused and treated brutally. Being a Democrat is VOLUNTARY and in the past 50+ years that party HAS encouraged Black people to join their ranks in leadership positions. The republicans in the past 50+ years have pretty much not done that in fact they seemed adversarial. Just look at the insulting things not a few republicans and conservatives say about Blacks on this forum!!!

Some of these "Black conservatives" say those insulting things to act as proxies for their White racist counterparts. In my opinion, they do this to garner approval and material gain from the aforementioned people. It's pretty much in the same vein as people saying; "See! They call themselves *******, so why can't we call them *******?".

In short, I think that there's a more positive and productive way to put their message out there, see Tony Brown. Put out good ideas and NOT blanket inaccurate insults and generalizations. The part of the message coming from the west's, cain, and peterson that sticks out to some if not many Black people the most, is translated as the aforementioned saying to White republican/conservatives: "See those ******* who vote democrat are dumb, lazy, and want handouts.". That couldn't be any further from the truth about the majority of Black people who vote Democrat.

I find it funny when some republicans (Black and White) come out with that bullshit about "Martin Luther King was a republican." crap. Do those people actually think that he would agree with them?

"If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas." King was more than just talk in this regard. Working through his Operation Breadbasket, King threatened boycotts of businesses that did not hire blacks in proportion to their population. "

"King was even an early proponent of reparations. In his 1964 book, Why We Can’t Wait, he wrote,
No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law."

"King of course was a great opponent of the free economy. In a speech in front of his staff in 1966 he said,

You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry… Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong…with capitalism… There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a Democratic Socialism."


Sound familiar?

Great topic, and some thought provoking commentary on your part as usual. What I find to be a shared irony among the likes of Clarence Thomas, Jesse Lee Petersen, and Alan West, is that their opportunities for upward mobility were spawned from the sacrifices and contributions of those who represented some of the
very same liberal ideology that they currently express disdain for.


Some of those who post here who are only capable of parroting right wing conservative "talking points", fail to realize that had there not been a liberal/progressive led civil rights movement, that was paid for with human life, that these so called examples of "black excellence" would not exist today.

Like you, I do not buy in 100% to any political agenda or political candidate. However, the blind loyalty in the face of outright stupidity that certain public figures like Thomas, Petersen and West demonstrate towards those that they pander to should make anyone who is thinking, question their motives, especially when you consider where they came from, which is what they seem to have forgotten.

Excellent post, excellent points. That leads us to the current "Great Black Hope" for the Republicans, Dr. Ben Carson; the question I have, is how did he get accepted to and how was he able to afford going to Yale when he came from poor family? Could that have been the result o the "evil" Affirmative Action? What about when he attended medical school or was hired at Johns Hopkins? In case people want to say that there wasn't Affirmative Action then, here's a link to the history of it: Affirmative action in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting that you mention this. I was also curious as well and found that there is very little detail out there on precisely how Dr. Carson's education was funded except surface mention of "summer jobs" and "various student loans"' which could not fund a full load at Yale. And truth be told many out there are curious about this as well. Time will eventually tell if he stays in the forefront as a potential candidate. The truth came out about Paul Ryan being the beneficiary of social security, which he wanted to dismantle.



I wonder why some people didn't touch on that real life and real time fact I bought up about the "Black libruls or Democrats" on this forum not calling me an "Uncle Tom"? In my opinion I think it messes up their assertion about the alleged ignorance of Black democrats and liberals. Some people tend to try take the worst people and samples from the "Black community" and try to portray the aforementioned as "the Blacks" in general and "the Blacks" as a majority, when it's completely false. It says a LOT about their motives.

The truth is that there is a strange fascination with "the Blacks". I would liken it to why people go to zoos and museums. Blacks are looked at by many with the same regard that a species or exhibit that is not human is examined in a biology lab. Partly based on fear, and another part based on urban legend. "The blacks" are generally not thought of as being capable of individual thought, and when that is proven false, it is categorized as an anomoly and not the norm. This forum is probably as accurate a microcosm of society as you would find anywhere. What makes it that way, is the safety of anonimity......knowing that what one wants to express can be done so without a face to face confrontation.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Great topic, and some thought provoking commentary on your part as usual. What I find to be a shared irony among the likes of Clarence Thomas, Jesse Lee Petersen, and Alan West, is that their opportunities for upward mobility were spawned from the sacrifices and contributions of those who represented some of the
very same liberal ideology that they currently express disdain for.


Some of those who post here who are only capable of parroting right wing conservative "talking points", fail to realize that had there not been a liberal/progressive led civil rights movement, that was paid for with human life, that these so called examples of "black excellence" would not exist today.

Like you, I do not buy in 100% to any political agenda or political candidate. However, the blind loyalty in the face of outright stupidity that certain public figures like Thomas, Petersen and West demonstrate towards those that they pander to should make anyone who is thinking, question their motives, especially when you consider where they came from, which is what they seem to have forgotten.

Excellent post, excellent points. That leads us to the current "Great Black Hope" for the Republicans, Dr. Ben Carson; the question I have, is how did he get accepted to and how was he able to afford going to Yale when he came from poor family? Could that have been the result o the "evil" Affirmative Action? What about when he attended medical school or was hired at Johns Hopkins? In case people want to say that there wasn't Affirmative Action then, here's a link to the history of it: Affirmative action in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting that you mention this. I was also curious as well and found that there is very little detail out there on precisely how Dr. Carson's education was funded except surface mention of "summer jobs" and "various student loans"' which could not fund a full load at Yale. And truth be told many out there are curious about this as well. Time will eventually tell if he stays in the forefront as a potential candidate. The truth came out about Paul Ryan being the beneficiary of social security, which he wanted to dismantle.



I wonder why some people didn't touch on that real life and real time fact I bought up about the "Black libruls or Democrats" on this forum not calling me an "Uncle Tom"? In my opinion I think it messes up their assertion about the alleged ignorance of Black democrats and liberals. Some people tend to try take the worst people and samples from the "Black community" and try to portray the aforementioned as "the Blacks" in general and "the Blacks" as a majority, when it's completely false. It says a LOT about their motives.

The truth is that there is a strange fascination with "the Blacks". I would liken it to why people go to zoos and museums. Blacks are looked at by many with the same regard that a species or exhibit that is not human is examined in a biology lab. Partly based on fear, and another part based on urban legend. "The blacks" are generally not thought of as being capable of individual thought, and when that is proven false, it is categorized as an anomoly and not the norm. This forum is probably as accurate a microcosm of society as you would find anywhere. What makes it that way, is the safety of anonimity......knowing that what one wants to express can be done so without a face to face confrontation.

'"The blacks" are generally not thought of as being capable of individual thought, and when that is proven false, it is categorized as an anomoly and not the norm.'

You seem oblivious to the essence of this series of OPs.

 

[katsteve2012]

Excellent post, excellent points. That leads us to the current "Great Black Hope" for the Republicans, Dr. Ben Carson; the question I have, is how did he get accepted to and how was he able to afford going to Yale when he came from poor family? Could that have been the result o the "evil" Affirmative Action? What about when he attended medical school or was hired at Johns Hopkins? In case people want to say that there wasn't Affirmative Action then, here's a link to the history of it: Affirmative action in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting that you mention this. I was also curious as well and found that there is very little detail out there on precisely how Dr. Carson's education was funded except surface mention of "summer jobs" and "various student loans"' which could not fund a full load at Yale. And truth be told many out there are curious about this as well. Time will eventually tell if he stays in the forefront as a potential candidate. The truth came out about Paul Ryan being the beneficiary of social security, which he wanted to dismantle.



I wonder why some people didn't touch on that real life and real time fact I bought up about the "Black libruls or Democrats" on this forum not calling me an "Uncle Tom"? In my opinion I think it messes up their assertion about the alleged ignorance of Black democrats and liberals. Some people tend to try take the worst people and samples from the "Black community" and try to portray the aforementioned as "the Blacks" in general and "the Blacks" as a majority, when it's completely false. It says a LOT about their motives.

The truth is that there is a strange fascination with "the Blacks". I would liken it to why people go to zoos and museums. Blacks are looked at by many with the same regard that a species or exhibit that is not human is examined in a biology lab. Partly based on fear, and another part based on urban legend. "The blacks" are generally not thought of as being capable of individual thought, and when that is proven false, it is categorized as an anomoly and not the norm. This forum is probably as accurate a microcosm of society as you would find anywhere. What makes it that way, is the safety of anonimity......knowing that what one wants to express can be done so without a face to face confrontation.

'"The blacks" are generally not thought of as being capable of individual thought, and when that is proven false, it is categorized as an anomoly and not the norm.'

You seem oblivious to the essence of this series of OPs.

Not at all, and being that you do not know me, "what seems" is just your opinion. Furthermore, I was referring to this forum, not the "essence of the series by the OP".

 

[PoliticalChic]

The truth is that there is a strange fascination with "the Blacks". I would liken it to why people go to zoos and museums. Blacks are looked at by many with the same regard that a species or exhibit that is not human is examined in a biology lab. Partly based on fear, and another part based on urban legend. "The blacks" are generally not thought of as being capable of individual thought, and when that is proven false, it is categorized as an anomoly and not the norm. This forum is probably as accurate a microcosm of society as you would find anywhere. What makes it that way, is the safety of anonimity......knowing that what one wants to express can be done so without a face to face confrontation.

'"The blacks" are generally not thought of as being capable of individual thought, and when that is proven false, it is categorized as an anomoly and not the norm.'

You seem oblivious to the essence of this series of OPs.

Not at all, and being that you do not know me, "what seems" is just your opinion. Furthermore, I was referring to this forum, not the "essence of the series by the OP".

Be clear.
Joseph C. Phillips' work, and others that I will OP, show blacks as intuitive, intelligent individuals.
As well as courageous.


So, your smear, "The blacks" are generally not thought of as being capable of individual thought, blah blah blah..." is in need of some work.

 

[katsteve2012]

'"The blacks" are generally not thought of as being capable of individual thought, and when that is proven false, it is categorized as an anomoly and not the norm.'

You seem oblivious to the essence of this series of OPs.

Not at all, and being that you do not know me, "what seems" is just your opinion. Furthermore, I was referring to this forum, not the "essence of the series by the OP".

Be clear.
Joseph C. Phillips' work, and others that I will OP, show blacks as intuitive, intelligent individuals.
As well as courageous.


So, your smear, "The blacks" are generally not thought of as being capable of individual thought, blah blah blah..." is in need of some work.

I am crystal clear. Being black myself, why would I personally think that "blacks are not capable of individual thought"?

What I was stating is that there are those who post here who believe that.

Now do you understand?

 

[Aristotle]

What does "not being black enough" mean?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Not at all, and being that you do not know me, "what seems" is just your opinion. Furthermore, I was referring to this forum, not the "essence of the series by the OP".

Be clear.
Joseph C. Phillips' work, and others that I will OP, show blacks as intuitive, intelligent individuals.
As well as courageous.


So, your smear, "The blacks" are generally not thought of as being capable of individual thought, blah blah blah..." is in need of some work.

I am crystal clear. Being black myself, why would I personally think that "blacks are not capable of individual thought"?

What I was stating is that there are those who post here who believe that.

Now do you understand?

I never misunderstood.

Your comment was a slap at any without your perspective.
You and Pheony are not conservative.....there are many deeply intelligent blacks who are.

 

[Aristotle]

PoliticalChic I asked you a question..

 

[PoliticalChic]

PoliticalChic I asked you a question..

Did you believe that this is public school?


Read the OP.

 

[Aristotle]

Yea by the way you quoted someone who did not accurately define what "acting black"was, nor you for the sake of argument define it for the purpose of this thread. I'm black, so I have a right to know how does one act like or not like me?

Fair question.

 

[Aristotle]

1. In my youth I wanted so badly to fit in. I wanted to be a regular black kid like the other black kids. The problem was, as was pointed out in my eighth grade English class: “He talk like a white boy!”

2. My best friend lived in a white neighborhood and had the same debilitation: correct usage, impeccable diction, large vocabulary. Woe is us. So, for a week of so, we tried. We spent the entire week calling each other *******. “Nigga, please!” and “Nigga, whatchu talkin’ ‘bout.” But our proper English kept getting in the way, and the experiment failed.




3. I’m certain that my life would have been different had I kept trying. One thing is certain, I would have has greater success with women! Talking like a white boy hit me most often where it counts- my ability to get nookie. I discovered, much to my chagrin, that black women are highly sensitive to the Not Black Enough Syndrome. Black women like the jive talk.

4. It is an actual syndrome. Not only have I lived it, but it is also documented in the book “Black Rage,” written by two black psychiatrists, William H. Grier and Price M. Cobbs. Page 127: “A group of black men was asked to describe their techniques of seduction. Without exception, each one said that at a crucial point he reverted to the patois. Black women said they experienced an intensification of excitement when their lovers reverted to the ‘old language.’”

a. Of course, it had been pointed out in the eighth grade, I don’t have the patois. I fell to my knees and pleaded with God: “WHY? WHY DON’T I HAVE THE PATOIS??”

b. They go on to say: “For the black man in the United States, the boudoir is a field of combat in which rightfully or not he is deemed by his society pre-eminent. His use of patois,…may dramatically highlight an already heroic presence.”





5. Need proof? I dated Robin Givens years before she was Robin Givens. I was laying down my best stuff, wore my good cologne, told my best jokes trying to sound sophisticated. Even got in good with her mother. Nothing. Years later she married Mike Tyson. Later, I heard her on a radio interview with Howard Stern, talking about how she loves really thuggish black guys. What a gyp! I go to school, stay out of trouble, really try to make something of myself, but the street thug gets to make love to Robin Givens.

6. Well, I refuse to fake the funk for anyone. Even Robin Givens. Now, as an actor, I can fake the sound and syntax, the turn of phrase, the inflection, if a part requires it. But, it is not my normal way of speaking. Hardly a week goes by without someone commenting on my ‘proper’ speech. In fact, an actor I worked with reminded him of a professor he had in Trinidad, and he swore that one day, the professor waded out too far in the ocean, and, instead of hollering “Help! Help!,” he called out “Excuse me, may I have some assistance please?”



7. Fortunately there is a happy ending. Years after rebounding from the Givens snub, I met and fell in love with a pretty young black woman with red hair and freckles, who would become my wife. Oddly enough, while we were dating, I would speak to her on the phone, and find myself thinking, “She talk like a white girl.”
It was a match made in heaven.
The above from Joseph C. Phillips' book "He Talk Like A White Boy"




I hope that the above serves as education and a cautionary tale for our Liberal friends:
all black people are not the same.

Nor must they be ground to dust if they don't fit your political perspective.

I re-read this.....

Seriously you give credibility to a guy that dated Robin Givens?? LOL #FAIL