Not Black Enough Syndrome

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1. In my youth I wanted so badly to fit in. I wanted to be a regular black kid like the other black kids. The problem was, as was pointed out in my eighth grade English class: “He talk like a white boy!”

2. My best friend lived in a white neighborhood and had the same debilitation: correct usage, impeccable diction, large vocabulary. Woe is us. So, for a week of so, we tried. We spent the entire week calling each other *******. “Nigga, please!” and “Nigga, whatchu talkin’ ‘bout.” But our proper English kept getting in the way, and the experiment failed.




3. I’m certain that my life would have been different had I kept trying. One thing is certain, I would have has greater success with women! Talking like a white boy hit me most often where it counts- my ability to get nookie. I discovered, much to my chagrin, that black women are highly sensitive to the Not Black Enough Syndrome. Black women like the jive talk.

4. It is an actual syndrome. Not only have I lived it, but it is also documented in the book “Black Rage,” written by two black psychiatrists, William H. Grier and Price M. Cobbs. Page 127: “A group of black men was asked to describe their techniques of seduction. Without exception, each one said that at a crucial point he reverted to the patois. Black women said they experienced an intensification of excitement when their lovers reverted to the ‘old language.’”

a. Of course, it had been pointed out in the eighth grade, I don’t have the patois. I fell to my knees and pleaded with God: “WHY? WHY DON’T I HAVE THE PATOIS??”

b. They go on to say: “For the black man in the United States, the boudoir is a field of combat in which rightfully or not he is deemed by his society pre-eminent. His use of patois,…may dramatically highlight an already heroic presence.”





5. Need proof? I dated Robin Givens years before she was Robin Givens. I was laying down my best stuff, wore my good cologne, told my best jokes trying to sound sophisticated. Even got in good with her mother. Nothing. Years later she married Mike Tyson. Later, I heard her on a radio interview with Howard Stern, talking about how she loves really thuggish black guys. What a gyp! I go to school, stay out of trouble, really try to make something of myself, but the street thug gets to make love to Robin Givens.

6. Well, I refuse to fake the funk for anyone. Even Robin Givens. Now, as an actor, I can fake the sound and syntax, the turn of phrase, the inflection, if a part requires it. But, it is not my normal way of speaking. Hardly a week goes by without someone commenting on my ‘proper’ speech. In fact, an actor I worked with reminded him of a professor he had in Trinidad, and he swore that one day, the professor waded out too far in the ocean, and, instead of hollering “Help! Help!,” he called out “Excuse me, may I have some assistance please?”



7. Fortunately there is a happy ending. Years after rebounding from the Givens snub, I met and fell in love with a pretty young black woman with red hair and freckles, who would become my wife. Oddly enough, while we were dating, I would speak to her on the phone, and find myself thinking, “She talk like a white girl.”
It was a match made in heaven.
The above from Joseph C. Phillips' book "He Talk Like A White Boy"




I hope that the above serves as education and a cautionary tale for our Liberal friends:
all black people are not the same.

Nor must they be ground to dust if they don't fit your political perspective.
 
but this is the lifestyle that is now glorified in our music, movies, tv shows. Our media and culture make it cool to be street, gang or what ever it is called.
 
but this is the lifestyle that is now glorified in our music, movies, tv shows. Our media and culture make it cool to be street, gang or what ever it is called.

Yet there are brave blacks who march to their own drummer...like Phillips.

Hopefully, more will see the benefits of the above.
 
but this is the lifestyle that is now glorified in our music, movies, tv shows. Our media and culture make it cool to be street, gang or what ever it is called.

Yet there are brave blacks who march to their own drummer...like Phillips.

Hopefully, more will see the benefits of the above.

its a shame to see all the progress that has been made start running into barriers that halt or even reverse it
 
Happening in the here and now. Unreal. I read this last fall and had to dig it up.

The actress they picked to play Nina Simone has got people up in arms because "she's not black enough".

Actress playing Nina Simone in new film "is not black enough"

During her lifetime she was recognised as the “High Priestess of Soul” and became a prominent figure in the civil rights movement. Nina Simone is now at the centre of a race row amid complaints that the actress cast to play her in a biopic is not black enough.


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Actress playing Nina Simone in new film ?is not black enough? | The Times
 
but this is the lifestyle that is now glorified in our music, movies, tv shows. Our media and culture make it cool to be street, gang or what ever it is called.

Yet there are brave blacks who march to their own drummer...like Phillips.

Hopefully, more will see the benefits of the above.

its a shame to see all the progress that has been made start running into barriers that halt or even reverse it

What's really a shame is that those barriers are being placed by people who profess to have the best interests of blacks in mind. Making things easier for people to live a finite existence off of entitlement programs is not going to help them succeed in the long term.
 
Yet there are brave blacks who march to their own drummer...like Phillips.

Hopefully, more will see the benefits of the above.

its a shame to see all the progress that has been made start running into barriers that halt or even reverse it

What's really a shame is that those barriers are being placed by people who profess to have the best interests of blacks in mind. Making things easier for people to live a finite existence off of entitlement programs is not going to help them succeed in the long term.

that is a big issue in itself. then you have the other groupyegroup who all they are doing is exploiting a fad at the expense of others to make a buck
 
I read an interesting book by Thomas Sowell called Black Rednecks and White Liberals, where he talks about this stuff. I would highly recommend it.
 
I read an interesting book by Thomas Sowell called Black Rednecks and White Liberals, where he talks about this stuff. I would highly recommend it.

A few years ago, I read McWhorter's book "Losing the Race," where he made the point, similar to Phillips' that blacks aren't 'authentically black' unless they toe the Liberal line, and accept the dogma.

Here he is:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf9Dqcjo-As]J. McWhorter on Victimology - YouTube[/ame]
 
I read an interesting book by Thomas Sowell called Black Rednecks and White Liberals, where he talks about this stuff. I would highly recommend it.

Thomas Sowell? You mean the right wing mouth piece and overall general house ni**er? That Thomas Sowell?



So very glad that you showed up to give evidence of what the lowest of the low will say to attempt to be accepted.

From a previous OP:

'The epitome of such thinking appeared when Justice Thomas was asked to speak to an elementary school in D.C. The invitation was rescinded when a number of the parents objected that he was not a proper role model. The school has no such complaints when they invited the crack-addicted, philandering former mayor Marion Barry.'


And sure enough, here you are....probably the same view of the Justice Thomas as the great economist Sowell.....


Don’t you wish your SAT score had four digits?
 
I read an interesting book by Thomas Sowell called Black Rednecks and White Liberals, where he talks about this stuff. I would highly recommend it.

Thomas Sowell? You mean the right wing mouth piece and overall general house ni**er? That Thomas Sowell?



So very glad that you showed up to give evidence of what the lowest of the low will say to attempt to be accepted.

From a previous OP:

'The epitome of such thinking appeared when Justice Thomas was asked to speak to an elementary school in D.C. The invitation was rescinded when a number of the parents objected that he was not a proper role model. The school has no such complaints when they invited the crack-addicted, philandering former mayor Marion Barry.'


And sure enough, here you are....probably the same view of the Justice Thomas as the great economist Sowell.....


Don’t you wish your SAT score had four digits?

The majority of black folks will never be on the GOP side. No matter how smart and articulate the few black people are that are on the GOP side. You don't get it. Insulting my intelligence or making guesses about my SAT score aside, the fight for a meager 1% of 13% of our population is fruitless. Give up.
 
Thomas Sowell? You mean the right wing mouth piece and overall general house ni**er? That Thomas Sowell?



So very glad that you showed up to give evidence of what the lowest of the low will say to attempt to be accepted.

From a previous OP:

'The epitome of such thinking appeared when Justice Thomas was asked to speak to an elementary school in D.C. The invitation was rescinded when a number of the parents objected that he was not a proper role model. The school has no such complaints when they invited the crack-addicted, philandering former mayor Marion Barry.'


And sure enough, here you are....probably the same view of the Justice Thomas as the great economist Sowell.....


Don’t you wish your SAT score had four digits?

The majority of black folks will never be on the GOP side. No matter how smart and articulate the few black people are that are on the GOP side. You don't get it. Insulting my intelligence or making guesses about my SAT score aside, the fight for a meager 1% of 13% of our population is fruitless. Give up.


Au contraire.

You and I are a team....I point out how smears and contumely are the the pressure that prevents some from considering where where their true interests lie.

And then you slither in to prove that there exists exactly what I've highlighted.
 
I grew up in a similar situation;I was a mixed race kid growing up in the NYC metro area in the seventies and early eighties. I had my share of Black folks making those comments, but they were definitely in the MINORITY and usually the fools who were going nowhere good in life. I also had my share of ignorant White folks who made their share of ignorant comments as well, they were definitely in the MINORITY and many of them were going nowhere good.
In short, I think that this "syndrome" is being overblown to fit a certain biased narrative. What I experienced above, made me a stronger, fairer, and better person.
 
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I grew up in a similar situation;I was a mixed race kid growing up in the NYC metro area in the seventies and early eighties. I had my share of Black folks making those comments, but they were definitely in the MINORITY and usually the fools who were going nowhere good in life. I also had my share of ignorant White folks who made their share of ignorant comments as well, they were definitely in the MINORITY and many of them were going nowhere good.
In short, I think that this "syndrome" is being overblown to fit a certain biased narrative. What I experienced above, made me a stronger, fairer, and better person.

Well it does happen in many ways. Not black enough. Not white enough. Women in Africa actually bleaching their skin these days.

Too flat chested or too busty; Too short or too tall; Too skinny or too fat; any of those in any color.

But as far as this thread goes there's a great documentary called Dark Girls that supposedly really explores colorism in the African American community.

I've never had a chance to see the whole documentary but I'd love to. I saw Bill Duke being interviewed on CBC and man oh man he showed some really hard hitting clips.

(I'm a Bill Duke fan from way back).

Sigh. This is one of the problems of living where I live now, I don't have access to much media these days. Two hours plus one way to see a movie (and that's in good weather) :eusa_angel:
 
Im not trying to minimize what you went through (if its a personal story)
but...isnt this a bygone attitude?

Sadly colorism is still an issue. In many ways though it's no different than image issues that all of us face.

Girls are supposed to dress like...................................(fill in the blank)

Girls are supposed to have hair like...............................(fill in the blank)

Boys are supposed to play football/basketball/baseball like............................(fill in the blank)

This seems like a never ending story.
 

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