Not All Uranium

[Rigby5]

What do you suppose a nation with a surfeit of oil is planning to do with weaponized uranium?

Wrong.
All the world oil is going to run out after only about 50 years or so.

 

[irosie91]

Wrong.
All the world oil is going to run out after only about 50 years or so.

SO?

 

[Rigby5]

"... any interest in commercial nuclear power (they don't) it would be pointless to enrich their U235 to anything above 5%."


Thank you!

Wrong.
Old nuclear power plants used to use low enrichment, but they required huge containment domes, burned up nuclear fuel quickly, and produced far more waste.
Now they enrich as much as they can, because then there is less U-238 to get in the way and waste neutrons, so the containment can be much smaller.
I you use 50% instead of 5%, it can a tenth the size.

 

[Rigby5]

SO?

So everyone has to start building nuclear power plants now.
The costs of oil and gas will soon start to accelerate.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Wrong.
All the world oil is going to run out after only about 50 years or so.

They said that 50 years ago. I know, because I was there!

 

[irosie91]

So everyone has to start building nuclear power plants now.
The costs of oil and gas will soon start to accelerate.

SO?

 

[irosie91]

Wrong.
Old nuclear power plants used to use low enrichment, but they required huge containment domes, burned up nuclear fuel quickly, and produced far more waste.
Now they enrich as much as they can, because then there is less U-238 to get in the way and waste neutrons, so the containment can be much smaller.
I you use 50% instead of 5%, it can a tenth the size.

SO?

 

[PoliticalChic]

A nuclear Iran is much less of a threat to the world than the US or North Korea.
Iran has never done anything aggressive, and only defensive.
So a defensive nuclear deterrent makes perfect sense for Iran.

Iran could never get away with using nukes aggressively, so there is no reason to prevent their nuclear program.
And even more important, is that it is illegal to interfere with their nuclear program.

Do you realize that if your brain exploded, it wouldn't even mess your hair?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wrong.
Traditionally nuclear power plants use about 60% enrichment because the facilities are a tenth the size then, and last much longer.

The U-238 blocks neutrons, wastes them, and acts as a moderator, preventing high output.

And yes, their interest is in nuclear power, just as everyone it.
Iraq, Saudia Arabia, and all the oil producers have nuclear power plants planned.
The oil is rapidly running out.

Please find someone else's threads to infect.

Pretty please.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wrong.
All the world oil is going to run out after only about 50 years or so.

. you may pin the tail on yourself​

 

[PoliticalChic]

They said that 50 years ago. I know, because I was there!

For their sort, the sky is always falling.

 

[Old Rocks]

Interesting thread. First, Iran has been a very bad actor on the world stage. Supporting terrorism worldwide, and aiding Russia in their aggression in Ukraine. Were they to get a usable nuke, it almost certainly would end up the in hands of one of the terrorist groups in short order. Second, Trump's flap yap fails to hide the fact that he took us out of the treaty that would have given us some leverage in his first term. Much of what is happening today is on his doorstep. Third, any action taken to curtail or end Iran's progress toward a working nuke will be judged by it's success or failure. And the jury is out at present on the success of the past weeks actions.

As far as Iran needing nuclear reactors for power, that is fantasy. They could do solar and wind for far less money and a far more robust grid at far less cost. And that would not present a danger to any other nation. So where do I stand on attacking Iran's nuclear facilities? Sometimes necessity is damned unpleasant. At the same time, such actions can only be judged on one criteria, success. It will be a while before we know whether the success of this operation meets that bar.

 

[Rigby5]

They said that 50 years ago. I know, because I was there!

I was there as well, and 50 years ago we were saying that we were going to run out of oil and gas in 100 years.
So no one was lying.

The only problem is global warming predictions.
We know we doubled the amount of CO2 and it will retain more heat.
But we don't know how long it will keep retaining heat and reach an equilibrium?
If the heat retention goes on long enough, then all life on the planet will die.

 

[Rigby5]

SO?

So the point is that people now enrich uranium to higher percentages than they used to, even for energy purposes.
The 60% enrichment does not mean it was only for weapons use.
The trend now is to not build a single large containment dome nuclear power plant any more.
What they are doing instead is many small, self contained little reactor modules.

{...
The small modular reactor (SMR) is a class of small nuclear fission reactor, designed to be built in a factory, shipped to operational sites for installation, and then used to power buildings or other commercial operations. The term SMR refers to the size, capacity and modular construction. Reactor type and the nuclear processes may vary. Of the many SMR designs, the pressurized water reactor (PWR) is the most common. However, recently proposed SMR designs include generation IV, thermal-neutron reactors, fast-neutron reactors, molten salt, and gas-cooled reactor models.
...}
Small modular reactor - Wikipedia

 

[Rigby5]

Please find someone else's threads to infect.

Pretty please.

You should welcome my expertise, since it is the truth.
I have an MS in physics.

 

[Rigby5]

For their sort, the sky is always falling.

If we do not look ahead and predict, then we will run into disasters.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So the point is that people now enrich uranium to higher percentages than they used to, even for energy purposes.
The 60% enrichment does not mean it was only for weapons use.
The trend now is to not build a single large containment dome nuclear power plant any more.
What they are doing instead is many small, self contained little reactor modules.

{...
The small modular reactor (SMR) is a class of small nuclear fission reactor, designed to be built in a factory, shipped to operational sites for installation, and then used to power buildings or other commercial operations. The term SMR refers to the size, capacity and modular construction. Reactor type and the nuclear processes may vary. Of the many SMR designs, the pressurized water reactor (PWR) is the most common. However, recently proposed SMR designs include generation IV, thermal-neutron reactors, fast-neutron reactors, molten salt, and gas-cooled reactor models.
...}
Small modular reactor - Wikipedia

So the point is that people now enrich uranium to higher percentages than they used to, even for energy purposes.

Can you post some actual proof?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You should welcome my expertise, since it is the truth.
I have an MS in physics.

I thought your expertise was in international law? DURR

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wrong.
Old nuclear power plants used to use low enrichment, but they required huge containment domes, burned up nuclear fuel quickly, and produced far more waste.
Now they enrich as much as they can, because then there is less U-238 to get in the way and waste neutrons, so the containment can be much smaller.
I you use 50% instead of 5%, it can a tenth the size.

Old nuclear power plants used to use low enrichment, but they required huge containment domes, burned up nuclear fuel quickly

Higher enrichment burns fuel slower? How does that work?


Now they enrich as much as they can, because then there is less U-238 to get in the way and waste neutrons, so the containment can be much smaller.

Do the neutrons magically know which direction to travel?

Containment has nothing to do with enrichment levels or "wasted" neutrons.

 

[Rigby5]

Interesting thread. First, Iran has been a very bad actor on the world stage. Supporting terrorism worldwide, and aiding Russia in their aggression in Ukraine. Were they to get a usable nuke, it almost certainly would end up the in hands of one of the terrorist groups in short order. Second, Trump's flap yap fails to hide the fact that he took us out of the treaty that would have given us some leverage in his first term. Much of what is happening today is on his doorstep. Third, any action taken to curtail or end Iran's progress toward a working nuke will be judged by it's success or failure. And the jury is out at present on the success of the past weeks actions.

As far as Iran needing nuclear reactors for power, that is fantasy. They could do solar and wind for far less money and a far more robust grid at far less cost. And that would not present a danger to any other nation. So where do I stand on attacking Iran's nuclear facilities? Sometimes necessity is damned unpleasant. At the same time, such actions can only be judged on one criteria, success. It will be a while before we know whether the success of this operation meets that bar.

I disagree.

The US illegally attacked Iran by bribing the Shah into a military takeover, so retribution is legal and deserved.
The US is actually the leading terrorist, not Iran.
For example, illegally toppling the governments of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Egypt, Palestine, the Ukraine, etc.

As for the Ukraine, it is not Russian "aggression".
Russia used to have defensive nukes in the Ukraine, so then its radar grid is around the Ukraine and Russia together, with no defenses between Russia and the Ukraine.
That means Russia can never allow the Ukraine to join NATO or any hostile alliance.
If the Ukraine were to join NATO, then the US could and would put first strike nukes on Russia's border that Russia could not detect until detonation.

I agree Trump is at fault for backing out of the deal Obama had with Iran.

But Iran is not a treat to anyone, because they have no delivery means.
So then Iran could only use nukes against an invasion force.

As for solar or wind, they are pretty much insignificant.
They use a huge amount of space, are expensive, fragile, and cannot be ramped up and down with load.
They also require huge battery investments.
The do not last in sandstorms.
All countries need to go nuclear eventually.