Northeast Passage

[SSDD]

This map shows tracks of ships currently trying to run the Northwest Passage. Nobody has done it yet this year; the purple line is Amundsen's route.

S/V Novara

Trying is the operative word...it is nearly mid august...the melt season is damned near over...when might they stop trying and actually do?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

 

[Old Rocks]

Northern Sea Route Information Office

General info
Permissions issued by NSR Administration 539
Vessels currently operating in the NSR water area 93
Transit statistics
Completed transit voyages
Cargo transported in transit (thousand tons)

Looks like more ships are lining up to take the passage.

 

[SSDD]

Northern Sea Route Information Office

General info
Permissions issued by NSR Administration 539
Vessels currently operating in the NSR water area 93
Transit statistics
Completed transit voyages
Cargo transported in transit (thousand tons)

Looks like more ships are lining up to take the passage.

Melt season is damned near over...when do you think they will start? Oh...that's right...they can't because of all of the ice that hasn't melted as predicted.

 

[westwall]

Northern Sea Route Information Office

General info
Permissions issued by NSR Administration 539
Vessels currently operating in the NSR water area 93
Transit statistics
Completed transit voyages
Cargo transported in transit (thousand tons)

Looks like more ships are lining up to take the passage.

Where does it show that? I searched all over the website and I must have missed it. They do have a very good data base of the ships that have transited in each year and last year there were 41, not the 70 or so you claimed. What gives?

 

[Crick]

What gives is this:

 

[jc456]

What gives is this:

What's the point? So what?

 

[Crick]

And you criticize MY ability to read a graph. The point is that the Arctic is melting away. That graph indicates that it is very likely we will have completely ice-free Arctic summers before 2020.

 

[SSDD]

And you criticize MY ability to read a graph. The point is that the Arctic is melting away. That graph indicates that it is very likely we will have completely ice-free Arctic summers before 2020.

Isn't a melting arctic part and parcel of exiting an ice age? Do you wan't to remain in an ice age?

 

[jc456]

And you criticize MY ability to read a graph. The point is that the Arctic is melting away. That graph indicates that it is very likely we will have completely ice-free Arctic summers before 2020.

I did not offer anycounter point to the graph, I asked so what that the ice is melting. I still don't get what your point is. Again, are you truly going to sit there and tell us that ice expected to be in the arctic forever? When we know there wasn't ice there before the ice age hit? And again, so what how does this harm anyone that the ice melts? It adds absolutely no sea rise. So what's your point.

Notice I asked several times? I don't think you know what your point is.

 

[mamooth]

Isn't a melting arctic part and parcel of exiting an ice age? Do you wan't to remain in an ice age?

Ah, some fine sophistry. It really is the best he can do.

Specifically, the earth is technically in an interglacial in an ice age. While one could technically say "we are in an ice age", it's being deliberately deceptive, since "ice age" is colloquially thought of as a time when glaciers advance over much of the world.

 

[jc456]

Isn't a melting arctic part and parcel of exiting an ice age? Do you wan't to remain in an ice age?

Ah, some fine sophistry. It really is the best he can do.

Specifically, the earth is technically in an interglacial in an ice age. While one could technically say "we are in an ice age", it's being deliberately deceptive, since "ice age" is colloquially thought of as a time when glaciers advance over much of the world.

hahahahahaahhahahaahahahahahaha.......Dude this is truly a hoot!!!!!

 

[Crick]

I think SSDD is the saddest story on this forum.

 

[Old Rocks]

Anichkov Bridge" has completed the transition through the Northern Sea Route

RUSSIA/20 August/BI-PORT: The tanker "Anichkov Bridge" belonging to the Sovcomflot (SCF) group of companies has completed the transition through the Northern Sea Route.
The vessel of the MR size and the deadweight 47 000 tons with the high Ice-class Ice-1А (Arc4) has implemented the transition in ballast to the Western direction of the Northern Sea Route. The tanker is going with the assignment to the port of Vysotsk (Gulf of Finland), where it will take the load of dark oil products for the charterer "North Eastern Shipping Company" Ltd. The "Anichkov Bridge" was the first large-tonnage tanker, which committed transit passage along the Northern Sea Route in the current year.

The vessel was escorted by the nuclear icebreaker "Vaygach" of the FSUE "Atomflot". The passage was held in the heavier for this period ice conditions.

Looks like the parade has started for this year.

 

[mamooth]

It looks like only 3 ships will successfully run the northwest passage this year, the Novara, Lady Dana and Arctic Tern. The main channel stayed iced up, so they all used Amundsen's route, and even that was a risky slog through some 80% ice covered seas.

2012 was a perfect storm year for ice melt in the Arctic. A fast start in May to make the melt ponds that change the albedo, and winds that pulled in warmth from the south and exported lots of ice to the south out of the Fram Strait, where it would melt in the warm Atlantic. All topped off by an end-of-season major hurricane that churned the ice into the warm water.

2013? Too much wind. Constant cyclones kept temperatures abnormally cold.

2014? Not enough wind. Almost no heat transfer from the south, and no ice export to the south. The end result will be very close to 2013.

It's how things work. There's a series of "recovery years", until the next Goldilocks year arrives with the conditions that are just right for melt, and a new record low.

 

[Old Rocks]

Northern Sea Route Information Office

General info
Permissions issued by NSR Administration 539
Vessels currently operating in the NSR water area 93
Transit statistics
Completed transit voyages
Cargo transported in transit (thousand tons)

Looks like more ships are lining up to take the passage.

Where does it show that? I searched all over the website and I must have missed it. They do have a very good data base of the ships that have transited in each year and last year there were 41, not the 70 or so you claimed. What gives?

Northeast Passage to revolutionize global shipping Global Risk Insights

Shipping companies have been quick to capitalize on this shortcut. In 2010, only 4 commercial ships sailed through the Northeast Passage. This number increased to 46 in 2012 and 71 in 2013 (for comparison, 18,000 vessels go through Suez every year). With more than 90 percent of trade carried by sea, China is starting to realize this potential.

Ever consider giving a link for you claims? I give them for mine, and all you do is flap-yap, and expect people to believe you. Typical for a liar.

 

[Old Rocks]

Northwest Passage 2014

Northwest Passage Route 7 through Fury & Hecla Strait opens on 20140911
20190911 - Fury & Hecla Strait opens allowing a NW Passage Route 7 transit

Well, someone did mention the Northwest Passage.

 

[Old Rocks]

Arctic ice melt reviving Northeast Passage

Arctic ice melt reviving Northeast Passage
Andrew E Kramer, The New York Times
And so business plans are being drawn up to capitalise on climate changes

Rounding the northernmost tip of Russia in his oceangoing tugboat this summer, Capt Vladimir V Bozanov saw plenty of walruses, some pods of beluga whales and in the distance a few icebergs.

One thing Bozanov did not encounter while towing an industrial barge 2,300 miles across the Arctic Ocean was solid ice blocking his path anywhere along the route. Ten years ago, he said, an ice-free passage, even at the peak of summer, was exceptionally rare.

But environmental scientists say there is now no doubt that global warming is shrinking the Arctic ice pack, opening new sea lanes and making the few previously navigable routes near shore accessible more months of the year. And whatever the grim environmental repercussions of greenhouse gas, companies in Russia and other countries around the Arctic Ocean are mining that dark cloud’s silver lining by finding new opportunities for commerce and trade.

A tugboat and barge. Rather prosaic for the far north.

 

[mamooth]

On the Northwest Passage tracking chart, I see 6 boats have made it through the ice-choked areas, with another 2 still trying.

 

[Mr. H.]

Arctic ice melt reviving Northeast Passage

Arctic ice melt reviving Northeast Passage
Andrew E Kramer, The New York Times
And so business plans are being drawn up to capitalise on climate changes

Rounding the northernmost tip of Russia in his oceangoing tugboat this summer, Capt Vladimir V Bozanov saw plenty of walruses, some pods of beluga whales and in the distance a few icebergs.

One thing Bozanov did not encounter while towing an industrial barge 2,300 miles across the Arctic Ocean was solid ice blocking his path anywhere along the route. Ten years ago, he said, an ice-free passage, even at the peak of summer, was exceptionally rare.

But environmental scientists say there is now no doubt that global warming is shrinking the Arctic ice pack, opening new sea lanes and making the few previously navigable routes near shore accessible more months of the year. And whatever the grim environmental repercussions of greenhouse gas, companies in Russia and other countries around the Arctic Ocean are mining that dark cloud’s silver lining by finding new opportunities for commerce and trade.

A tugboat and barge. Rather prosaic for the far north.

Tsk... you know it's now called "climate change".