North Carolina approves amendment banning gay marriage

[Sunni Man]

Yes Sunni Man, and BigrebNC - incredibly insightful. Perhaps we should go back to a time in America when the church had a stronger hold on society, homosexuality was scoffed at, and our "morals" were shining in full strength.... you know, like when we used to ship black humans from Africa like commodities, and work them on the fields for 16 hour days until they died of heat exhaustion.

I heard they packed the slave ships full with about 400 slaves apiece, and 2/3 of the "cargo" died on every single journey.

But forget all that, I will take your word that we're all "much less" moral now - in fact, in a state of decay - given that we now have less people treating gays like dirt.

I like to stay away from personal attacks, but I just need to say: You guys are ******* idiots.

At that time, all over the world, slavery was considered commerce and had nothing to do with morality.

It was a good try at deflection on your part; but basically turned out to be a fail.

 

[KevinWestern]

Yes Sunni Man, and BigrebNC - incredibly insightful. Perhaps we should go back to a time in America when the church had a stronger hold on society, homosexuality was scoffed at, and our "morals" were shining in full strength.... you know, like when we used to ship black humans from Africa like commodities, and work them on the fields for 16 hour days until they died of heat exhaustion.

I heard they packed the slave ships full with about 400 slaves apiece, and 2/3 of the "cargo" died on every single journey.

But forget all that, I will take your word that we're all "much less" moral now - in fact, in a state of decay - given that we now have less people treating gays like dirt.

I like to stay away from personal attacks, but I just need to say: You guys are ******* idiots.

At that time, all over the world, slavery was considered commerce and had nothing to do with morality.

It was a good try at deflection on your part; but basically turned out to be a fail.

Haha, that's your reply? Really?

So you're saying slavery wasn't an immoral activity because WHITE people at the time considered it a form of commerce? How does that even make sense?

..."it's just commerce" - I'm sure Jesus gave his blessings...

And what about the black people on those slave ships (ie the commodities) - did they just consider slavery as harmless "commerce" as well?


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[Dr.Drock]

Speaking of Rome when the gay lifestyle started growing within that system didn't it fall? Wasn't that one of the reasons for it's collapse? No moral?

Historically, whenever a culture/society embraced homosexuality as normal and good. It was a just another sign that it was in moral decay and rapidly descending towards it's ultimate destruction.

Yes Sunni Man, and BigrebNC - incredibly insightful. Perhaps we should go back to a time in America when the church had a stronger hold on society, homosexuality was scoffed at, and our "morals" were shining in full strength.... you know, like when we used to ship black humans from Africa like commodities, and work them on the fields for 16 hour days until they died of heat exhaustion. I heard they packed the slave ships full with about 400 slaves apiece, and 2/3 of the "cargo" died on every single journey.

Or how about we go back to the days of Columbus, when the Native Central Americans were forced to provide him an allotment of gold every single month. If an individual didn't meet his/her quota, Columbus would chop off their hands. We sure knew how to be gracious "guests" back then... pure moral excellence, right?

But forget all that, I will take your word that we're all "much less" moral now - in fact, in a state of decay - given that we now have less people treating gays like dirt.

I like to stay away from personal attacks, but I just need to say: You guys are ******* idiots.



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To a fundamentalist, genocide will never be as bad as not hating gays.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Just look at Saudi Arabia and Iran where gays are executed, they don't accept the homosexual lifestyle and their society's morals far exceed ours........................

 

[KevinWestern]

Historically, whenever a culture/society embraced homosexuality as normal and good. It was a just another sign that it was in moral decay and rapidly descending towards it's ultimate destruction.

Yes Sunni Man, and BigrebNC - incredibly insightful. Perhaps we should go back to a time in America when the church had a stronger hold on society, homosexuality was scoffed at, and our "morals" were shining in full strength.... you know, like when we used to ship black humans from Africa like commodities, and work them on the fields for 16 hour days until they died of heat exhaustion. I heard they packed the slave ships full with about 400 slaves apiece, and 2/3 of the "cargo" died on every single journey.

Or how about we go back to the days of Columbus, when the Native Central Americans were forced to provide him an allotment of gold every single month. If an individual didn't meet his/her quota, Columbus would chop off their hands. We sure knew how to be gracious "guests" back then... pure moral excellence, right?

But forget all that, I will take your word that we're all "much less" moral now - in fact, in a state of decay - given that we now have less people treating gays like dirt.

I like to stay away from personal attacks, but I just need to say: You guys are ******* idiots.



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To a fundamentalist, genocide will never be as bad as not hating gays.

I would say "lol", but it's not funny - actually - because it's true.

Never mind the rape and whipping of child slaves, entire families being ripped apart on a scale 5 times greater than the Holocaust - not hating gays is much more immoral....

Shame on you people, get your minds right.

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[KevinWestern]

Just look at Saudi Arabia and Iran where gays are executed, they don't accept the homosexual lifestyle and their society's morals far exceed ours........................

No sign of moral decay in Iran, right Sunni?



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[Katzndogz]

Degeneracy impairs the integrity of the whole. Have you personally been impacted by anything at all that goes on elsewhere? All the murders, rapes, extortions, frauds, molestations, abuse, prostitution, pornography, none of it impacts you personally. When we start accepting degeneracy as normal conduct, it moves from what they are doing to what we are doing. Gays and lesbians should live whatever lives they wish to as a matter of their personal right. When they demand that others change and accept their behavior as normal that's when the go beyond their own choices and move into affecting mine.

Well Katz – to put it simply, the act of two people marrying does NOT directly affect or infringe on the rights of any non-consenting third parties in the way that murder, rape, extortion, fraud, molestation, and prostitution would.

That’s my reply.

Also, I don't happen to consider the marriage between two people who love each other a form of "societal degeneracy".
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As soon as you are required to recognize a same sex marriage as legitimate and normal, that relationship has insinuated itself into your personal life.

You can consider degeneracy any way you like. There are people who want prostitution to be legitimate employment. Pedophiles insist that their predelictions are a sexual orientation just like homosexuality is and not a form of degeneracy at all. It's a personal choice.

 

[Sunni Man]

So you're saying slavery wasn't an immoral activity because WHITE people at the time considered it a form of commerce? How does that even make sense?

..."it's just commerce" - I'm sure Jesus gave his blessings...

And what about the black people on those slave ships (ie the commodities) - did they just consider slavery as harmless "commerce" as well?

I understand that you are a racist (or maybe just a self loathing white person)

But, slavey has been accepted and practiced throughout history by all races and ethnicities all over the world.

And was not invented by "white people" as you intimate.

Again, people then just saw slavery as a business; and attached no morality to it.

To people of today that seems incredulous, but that's just how it was.

 

[koshergrl]

Historically, whenever a culture/society embraced homosexuality as normal and good. It was a just another sign that it was in moral decay and rapidly descending towards it's ultimate destruction.

Yes Sunni Man, and BigrebNC - incredibly insightful. Perhaps we should go back to a time in America when the church had a stronger hold on society, homosexuality was scoffed at, and our "morals" were shining in full strength.... you know, like when we used to ship black humans from Africa like commodities, and work them on the fields for 16 hour days until they died of heat exhaustion. I heard they packed the slave ships full with about 400 slaves apiece, and 2/3 of the "cargo" died on every single journey.

Or how about we go back to the days of Columbus, when the Native Central Americans were forced to provide him an allotment of gold every single month. If an individual didn't meet his/her quota, Columbus would chop off their hands. We sure knew how to be gracious "guests" back then... pure moral excellence, right?

But forget all that, I will take your word that we're all "much less" moral now - in fact, in a state of decay - given that we now have less people treating gays like dirt.

I like to stay away from personal attacks, but I just need to say: You guys are ******* idiots.



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To a fundamentalist, genocide will never be as bad as not hating gays.

And to a progressive, genocide is considered the height of sophistication...

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

So you're saying slavery wasn't an immoral activity because WHITE people at the time considered it a form of commerce? How does that even make sense?

..."it's just commerce" - I'm sure Jesus gave his blessings...

And what about the black people on those slave ships (ie the commodities) - did they just consider slavery as harmless "commerce" as well?

I understand that you are a racist (or maybe just a self loathing white person)

But, slavey has been accepted and practiced throughout history by all races and ethnicities all over the world.

And was not invented by "white people" as you intimate.

Again, people then just saw slavery as a business; and attached no morality to it.

To people of today that seems incredulous, but that's just how it was.

And in some places it is still how it is

 

[Dr.Drock]

So you're saying slavery wasn't an immoral activity because WHITE people at the time considered it a form of commerce? How does that even make sense?

..."it's just commerce" - I'm sure Jesus gave his blessings...

And what about the black people on those slave ships (ie the commodities) - did they just consider slavery as harmless "commerce" as well?

I understand that you are a racist (or maybe just a self loathing white person)

But, slavey has been accepted and practiced throughout history by all races and ethnicities all over the world.

And was not invented by "white people" as you intimate.

Again, people then just saw slavery as a business; and attached no morality to it.

To people of today that seems incredible, but that's just how it was.

That's false, at least in this country people thought they were doing the moral thing because blacks couldn't control/govern themselves, and others thought slavery was immoral. Slavery has a lot to do with morals and always has at least in this country.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Yes Sunni Man, and BigrebNC - incredibly insightful. Perhaps we should go back to a time in America when the church had a stronger hold on society, homosexuality was scoffed at, and our "morals" were shining in full strength.... you know, like when we used to ship black humans from Africa like commodities, and work them on the fields for 16 hour days until they died of heat exhaustion. I heard they packed the slave ships full with about 400 slaves apiece, and 2/3 of the "cargo" died on every single journey.

Or how about we go back to the days of Columbus, when the Native Central Americans were forced to provide him an allotment of gold every single month. If an individual didn't meet his/her quota, Columbus would chop off their hands. We sure knew how to be gracious "guests" back then... pure moral excellence, right?

But forget all that, I will take your word that we're all "much less" moral now - in fact, in a state of decay - given that we now have less people treating gays like dirt.

I like to stay away from personal attacks, but I just need to say: You guys are ******* idiots.



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To a fundamentalist, genocide will never be as bad as not hating gays.

And to a progressive, genocide is considered the height of sophistication...

I'd like to say kudos for your consistency, I've already seen you in this thread once again make a connection to anyone who disagrees with you to Hitler.

If you don't want to take away liberties from a minority, you're a Nazi-koshergirl's argument.

And the circus continues , I truly missed you while you were gone.

 

[koshergrl]

Eugenics is the premier tool of Nazis. That and torture in the name of science.

I think progressives have got that covered with their slavish devotion to Kinsey.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

So you're saying slavery wasn't an immoral activity because WHITE people at the time considered it a form of commerce? How does that even make sense?

..."it's just commerce" - I'm sure Jesus gave his blessings...

And what about the black people on those slave ships (ie the commodities) - did they just consider slavery as harmless "commerce" as well?

I understand that you are a racist (or maybe just a self loathing white person)

But, slavey has been accepted and practiced throughout history by all races and ethnicities all over the world.

And was not invented by "white people" as you intimate.

Again, people then just saw slavery as a business; and attached no morality to it.

To people of today that seems incredible, but that's just how it was.

That's false, at least in this country people thought they were doing the moral thing because blacks couldn't control/govern themselves, and others thought slavery was immoral. Slavery has a lot to do with morals and always has at least in this country.

I disagree with you on that Drock. Buying slaves and using slavery was as normal in our recent human history as is paying people compensation for work today.

Did some people find it immoral? Of corse, but it was the norm in the world....and all races were slave owners/enslaved its not some "White/black" thing, no race was exempt from slavery in the history of humankind.

 

[KevinWestern]

So you're saying slavery wasn't an immoral activity because WHITE people at the time considered it a form of commerce? How does that even make sense?

..."it's just commerce" - I'm sure Jesus gave his blessings...

And what about the black people on those slave ships (ie the commodities) - did they just consider slavery as harmless "commerce" as well?

I understand that you are a racist (or maybe just a self loathing white person)

But, slavey has been accepted and practiced throughout history by all races and ethnicities all over the world.

And was not invented by "white people" as you intimate.

Again, people then just saw slavery as a business; and attached no morality to it.

To people of today that seems incredulous, but that's just how it was.

Sunni, I've never claimed that whites invented slavery (but thanks for putting words in my mouth), nor am I a racist or a "self loathing" white (but go on - keep calling me names in an feeble attempt to bolster your rapidly failing argument).

My argument was simply that we - as Americans - participated in some horrendously immoral and unforgivable practices hundreds of years ago, and I find it disturbing that you instead consider this time "a period of greater moral decay" because there are less people who hate gays. Never mind the genocide, not hating gays is much worse. It's a preposterous argument.



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[bigrebnc1775]

Historically, whenever a culture/society embraced homosexuality as normal and good. It was a just another sign that it was in moral decay and rapidly descending towards it's ultimate destruction.

Yes Sunni Man, and BigrebNC - incredibly insightful. Perhaps we should go back to a time in America when the church had a stronger hold on society, homosexuality was scoffed at, and our "morals" were shining in full strength.... you know, like when we used to ship black humans from Africa like commodities, and work them on the fields for 16 hour days until they died of heat exhaustion. I heard they packed the slave ships full with about 400 slaves apiece, and 2/3 of the "cargo" died on every single journey.

Or how about we go back to the days of Columbus, when the Native Central Americans were forced to provide him an allotment of gold every single month. If an individual didn't meet his/her quota, Columbus would chop off their hands. We sure knew how to be gracious "guests" back then... pure moral excellence, right?

But forget all that, I will take your word that we're all "much less" moral now - in fact, in a state of decay - given that we now have less people treating gays like dirt.

I like to stay away from personal attacks, but I just need to say: You guys are ******* idiots.



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To a fundamentalist, genocide will never be as bad as not hating gays.

I'm a fundamentalist, I consider genocide worse than hating the lifestyle of gays. It's abnormal it's death to the human race. Gay's are murdering future generations with their life style.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I understand that you are a racist (or maybe just a self loathing white person)

But, slavey has been accepted and practiced throughout history by all races and ethnicities all over the world.

And was not invented by "white people" as you intimate.

Again, people then just saw slavery as a business; and attached no morality to it.

To people of today that seems incredible, but that's just how it was.

That's false, at least in this country people thought they were doing the moral thing because blacks couldn't control/govern themselves, and others thought slavery was immoral. Slavery has a lot to do with morals and always has at least in this country.

I disagree with you on that Drock. Buying slaves and using slavery was as normal in our recent human history as is paying people compensation for work today.

Did some people find it immoral? Of corse, but it was the norm in the world....and all races were slave owners/enslaved its not some "White/black" thing, no race was exempt from slavery in the history of humankind.

Wow, my public education exposed. I never knew there were black people who owned white men and women and held them in slavery. Thanks for filling in that gap in US Historyy for me.

 

[KevinWestern]

Yes Sunni Man, and BigrebNC - incredibly insightful. Perhaps we should go back to a time in America when the church had a stronger hold on society, homosexuality was scoffed at, and our "morals" were shining in full strength.... you know, like when we used to ship black humans from Africa like commodities, and work them on the fields for 16 hour days until they died of heat exhaustion. I heard they packed the slave ships full with about 400 slaves apiece, and 2/3 of the "cargo" died on every single journey.

Or how about we go back to the days of Columbus, when the Native Central Americans were forced to provide him an allotment of gold every single month. If an individual didn't meet his/her quota, Columbus would chop off their hands. We sure knew how to be gracious "guests" back then... pure moral excellence, right?

But forget all that, I will take your word that we're all "much less" moral now - in fact, in a state of decay - given that we now have less people treating gays like dirt.

I like to stay away from personal attacks, but I just need to say: You guys are ******* idiots.



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To a fundamentalist, genocide will never be as bad as not hating gays.

I'm a fundamentalist, I consider genocide worse than hating the lifestyle of gays. It's abnormal it's death to the human race. Gay's are murdering future generations with their life style.

Gays are "murdering" future generations? Please explain.

If my wife and I chose not to have kids, am I a murderer too?

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[Sunni Man]

If my wife and I chose not to have kids, am I a murderer too?

If abortion was involved; then yes, you and her committed murder.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Eugenics is the premier tool of Nazis. That and torture in the name of science.

I think progressives have got that covered with their slavish devotion to Kinsey.

Nazis also ate red meat, if you do too, you're a Nazi because obviously there's a connection.