Noah and his boat -

[MrMax]

obviously not.....if someone speaks about what they have observed or heard, it is not hearsay....

If someone writes down what was said 150 years ago, that's hearsay. Now you know.

lol.....and yet....nobody wrote down what was said 150 years ago........

All the bible writings were carbon dated to a minimum of several generations after Jesus' death.

 

[Esmeralda]

Most of the Bible is literature: stories. Not fact. I think most educated reasonable people understand that. There is a magazine, Biblical Archeology Review, which researches various archeological sites to look for empirical evidence that supports the stories: what it does is support that some of the settings of Bible stories may have existed in reality. That doesn't mean the stories are true.

 

[WinterBorn]

the term cover the earth in water in the biblical context means THE WHOLE EARTH INCLUDING THE HIMALAYAS there would be no exceptions.
but since it's campfire tale religiously embellished by religion anything is possible.

The Bible does not lie

If God says he covered the whole earth....he covered the whole earth
Mt Everest included

The thought is that the water pushed the ground up which would account for the mountains.

People who have a wet basement know how powerful water is. You can seal it but water pressure will crack it again.

The Flood is a piece of mythology, pure and simple.

There are several ways this can be proven.

First, there is not enough water on the planet (in vapor, ice pack and all underground sources) to cover the surface.

Second, the flood would have happened around 2348 BC. The Great Pyramid of Cheops was built about 230 years before that. And it shows no sign of being submerged for a year. The Egyptians have a continuous recorded history from before the time of the flood to well after, with no significant breaks and no mention of the flood.

 

[WinterBorn]

Before the flood Mt Everest WAS LITTLE more than a mole hill!!!

So when Genesis says "They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered." the mountains were actually very small??

 

[WinterBorn]

Here we go again, mocking the Bible.

For those that don't know, there were a variety of flood myths in that region that differ somewhat such as ancient Sumerian texts that have been unearthed. So what does that tell us? That tells us that there was a flood and that there were people who survived it to tell the world about it.

The only other option is, people made up the story about a flood without actually experiencing what a flood actually was. That would be like describing what an I-phone was back then without actually seeing one. That's right dingleberries, I'm calling you mocking Bible haters stupid. The Bible is a valuable historical document in a region where very little historical data has been saved and it should be valued as such. You may not agree with the account given, but to say there was no flood is just plain daft.

I doubt anyone is saying that there were no floods. What we are mocking is the blind stupidity it takes to believe that the entire earth was flooded and that one family saved every land animal in a single boat.

Try getting your over-enthusiastic brethren to calm their fairytale worship, and we can stop mocking them for it. Ok?

 

[PostmodernProph]

Second, the flood would have happened around 2348 BC.

"would have happened"?......did it have a limited window of opportunity?.......could it have happened 100,000 to 200,000 years ago?.....and could about 5000 people have drowned in the flood somewhere on the continent of Africa?......

RaceSci: History of Race in Science: In Media: What DNA Says About Human Ancestry - and Bigotry

Mitochondrial DNA indicates that all living humans descend from one maternal source—christened Mitochondrial Eve—who lived in Africa between 100,000 and 200,000 years ago. Similarly, the Y chromosome shows that all men have a common ancestor, Y-chromosome Adam, who lived at the same time. (Actually, both analyses indicate that modern humans descend from a small founding population of about 5000 men and an equal number of women.) The time estimates are based on assumptions on how frequently genetic mutations occur. The mutation clocks of mitochondrial DNA and the Y chromosome tick at different speeds, so the fact that they both indicate humans emerged at the same historical moment makes this evidence much more convincing.

 

[daws101]

its so tedious responding to everything you post....can I go back to deleting the most stupid parts and just "cherry picking" the parts that further the conversation?.....

note: my apologies to daws.....when I responded in the previous post I didn't notice I was responding to Max instead of to you......sometimes the different flavors of "stupid" are too subtle to distinguish......

love it when you rationalize your hate and ignorance.
if you had any integrity you'd have just said I fucked up...

I'm pretty sure I've told you you've fucked up a lot of times.....

yes you have but you've never been man enough to admit you're wrong with out some short of childish caveat ...

 

[daws101]

`The earliest writings of Paul date to several generations after he died.

lol, no.....the earliest writings of Paul, like the last writings of Paul, date from the day he wrote them....

You said Luke wrote stuff after having dreams

except no....I said nothing about Luke having dreams....

At the time, there were several Jesuses preaching, so the Jesus you quote may not even be the right one, lol.

interesting claim.....however, you don't even have hearsay evidence to back it up, which puts you lower on the evidentiary timeline than everyone else....

List of messiah claimants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the paul dodge was a good one...
doesn't fix the written long after jesus's death problem..

 

[daws101]

Everything in the bible is hearsay

obviously not.....if someone speaks about what they have observed or heard, it is not hearsay....

really?too bad none of it can be corroborated by an extra biblical source..

 

[daws101]

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Passover to an ancient pre-Israelite Pagan ritual practiced by wandering Semitic shepherds. The Feast of Unleavened Bread was originally a traditional Canaanite agricultural harvest which was adopted by the Israelites. It marked the start of the barley harvest; barley was the first crop to ripen. Because they occurred at about the same time each year, the two celebrations became merged into a two day observance. The Passover became associated with the exodus of the Jews from Egypt

.

That's utterly rediculous.

Passover is about G-D taking the jews out of Egypt and the giving of the Torah.

When the angel of death killed the Egpytian first born, he Passed Over the jewish homes.

don't you wish it was the ignorance of believers amazing

 

[daws101]

I don't know which fable is more preposterous: the talking snake or the Noah's ark.

the tower of babel yarn ..Samson and Delilah are right up there on the silly meter...

 

[daws101]

The Bible does not lie

If God says he covered the whole earth....he covered the whole earth
Mt Everest included

The thought is that the water pushed the ground up which would account for the mountains.

People who have a wet basement know how powerful water is. You can seal it but water pressure will crack it again.

The Flood is a piece of mythology, pure and simple.

There are several ways this can be proven.

First, there is not enough water on the planet (in vapor, ice pack and all underground sources) to cover the surface.

Second, the flood would have happened around 2348 BC. The Great Pyramid of Cheops was built about 230 years before that. And it shows no sign of being submerged for a year. The Egyptians have a continuous recorded history from before the time of the flood to well after, with no significant breaks and no mention of the flood.

hey! don't cloud the issue with facts!

 

[PostmodernProph]

love it when you rationalize your hate and ignorance.
if you had any integrity you'd have just said I fucked up...

I'm pretty sure I've told you you've fucked up a lot of times.....

yes you have but you've never been man enough to admit you're wrong with out some short of childish caveat ...

we'll just have to wait until it happens, won't we.....

 

[PostmodernProph]

doesn't fix the written long after jesus's death problem..

what "long after Jesus's death" problem?.....

 

[PostmodernProph]

Everything in the bible is hearsay

obviously not.....if someone speaks about what they have observed or heard, it is not hearsay....

really?too bad none of it can be corroborated by an extra biblical source..

wait....did you think that turns it into hearsay?.....

 

[daws101]

I'm pretty sure I've told you you've fucked up a lot of times.....

yes you have but you've never been man enough to admit you're wrong with out some short of childish caveat ...

we'll just have to wait until it happens, won't we.....

the you being wrong part is blatantly obvious ...you being a man well if it hasn't happened by now it never will.

 

[daws101]

doesn't fix the written long after jesus's death problem..

what "long after Jesus's death" problem?.....

 

[daws101]

obviously not.....if someone speaks about what they have observed or heard, it is not hearsay....

really?too bad none of it can be corroborated by an extra biblical source..

wait....did you think that turns it into hearsay?.....

didn't say that....fact. most all of the events in the bible have not been or cannot be independently corroborated..
that does not make them hearsay it makes them faerie tales ....

 

[Luddly Neddite]

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Read more here: Huge raft of Japan tsunami debris floats toward Hawaii | Environment | ADN.com

Oh, so THAT's how Noah kept all their refrigerators.

Got it.

 

[daws101]

HONOLULU -- Up to 20 million tons of tsunami debris floating from Japan could arrive on Hawaii's shores by early 2013, before reaching the West Coast, according to estimates by University of Hawaii scientists. A Russian training ship spotted the junk -- including a refrigerator, a television set and other appliances -- in an area of the Pacific Ocean where the scientists from the university's International Pacific Research Center predicted it would be. The biggest proof that the debris is from the Japanese tsunami is a fishing boat that's been traced to the Fukushima Prefecture, the area hardest hit by the March 11 disaster. Jan Hafner, a scientific computer programmer, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that researchers' projections show the debris would reach the coasts of Alaska, Oregon, Washington and Canada around 2014. They estimate the debris field is spread out across an area that's roughly 2,000 miles long and 1,000 miles wide located between Japan and Midway Atoll, where pieces could wash up in January. Just how much has already sunk and what portion is still floating is unknown.

Read more here: Huge raft of Japan tsunami debris floats toward Hawaii | Environment | ADN.com

Oh, so THAT's how Noah kept all their refrigerators.

Got it.

one major problem, the bible never say what ocean Noah's ark drifted into.
it does say it was left high and dry in the Ararats mountain range not mount Ararat in turkey
The Bible says that Noah's ark landed on the mountains of Ararat. This does not refer to any specific mountain or peak, but rather a mountain range within the region of Ararat, which was the name of an ancient kingdom of Urartu.