No Way Alabama Deserves to be in the College Football Playoffs

[leftwinger]

They beat UGA in the regular season. They beat Vandy. The loss to UGA was a postseason game which the committee said before the season started they would not hold against teams. They were in prior to the CCG so they are in after it. I don’t get why it’s so hard for everyone to grasp that.

They were in at week zero too. Psssst....secret. don't tell anybody.

Vandy had trouble losing to pretty good Iowa, just now.

 

[Couchpotato]

So we got James Madison and Tulane instead, both of whom were blown out.

Vandy lost by a TD to Iowa. ND was too much a group of pussies to play a bowl game and Texas is losing/getting all it wants from 3 loss Michigan after its head coach was fired and crashed out. Why would you believe they would fare better against Ole Miss and Oregon?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

They beat UGA in the regular season. They beat Vandy. The loss to UGA was a postseason game which the committee said before the season started they would not hold against teams. They were in prior to the CCG so they are in after it. I don’t get why it’s so hard for everyone to grasp that.

Well, Alabama this year is the only team in the history of the CFP to not drop after losing their conference title game.. so this was an unprecedented occurrence.

And with the optics of Alabama favoritism that’s been out there for so long.. this looks bad

 

[Couchpotato]

Well, Alabama this year is the only team in the history of the CFP to not drop after losing their conference title game.. so this was an unprecedented occurrence.

The 1 year history?

And with the optics of Alabama favoritism that’s been out there for so long.. this looks bad

The committee said before the year started that they weren’t going to punish teams for playing in their CCG. So your mad they did what they said they were going to do? I’m the farthest thing from an Alabama fan. I actively root against them but objectively prior to the SEC CCG they had a far better resume than ND, Vandy or Texas or any other team you can list that didn’t make the cut. Can we agree on that?

 

[MarathonMike]

Vandy lost by a TD to Iowa. ND was too much a group of pussies to play a bowl game and Texas is losing/getting all it wants from 3 loss Michigan after its head coach was fired and crashed out. Why would you believe they would fare better against Ole Miss and Oregon?

Because weak James Madison and Tulane both got blown out. BYU and ND would have been competitive, at least.

 

[Couchpotato]

They were in at week zero too. Psssst....secret. don't tell anybody.

Prior to the CCG which the committee said before the year started they wouldn’t punish teams for playing in. Of the teams who didn’t make the POs who had a better resume than Alabama?

Vandy had trouble losing to pretty good Iowa, just now.

#23 Iowa? 4 loss Iowa? That Iowa? You’re telling me that Vandy losing by a TD and never leading to Iowa is proof they deserved to be in the CFP over Alabama who won its first PO game over OU?

 

[leftwinger]

leftwinger

The 1 year history?


The committee said before the year started that they weren’t going to punish teams for playing in their CCG. So your mad they did what they said they were going to do? I’m the farthest thing from an Alabama fan. I actively root against them but objectively prior to the SEC CCG they had a far better resume than ND, Vandy or Texas or any other team you can list that didn’t make the cut. Can we agree on that?

Here's latest futures odds for those patient enough to see it come true. Good payback on ALA at 17:1.

 

[Couchpotato]

leftwinger



Here's latest futures odds for those patient enough to see it come true. Good payback on ALA at 17:1.

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Cool I don’t care. Alabama being an underdog to the 1 seed isn’t proof they didn’t belong in tne CFP

 

[leftwinger]

Prior to the CCG which the committee said before the year started they wouldn’t punish teams for playing in. Of the teams who didn’t make the POs who had a better resume than Alabama?

#23 Iowa? 4 loss Iowa? That Iowa? You’re telling me that Vandy losing by a TD and never leading to Iowa is proof they deserved to be in the CFP over Alabama who won its first PO game over OU?

Now you're going crazy, posting stuff no one posted.

I was only pointing out that upper tier SEC team VANDY fell way behind and could not dig out vs. IOWA. MO goofed around all game and got beat by pretty soundly by ACC VA.

Just because the SEC plays each other all year is no automatic indication of greatness if they beat FLA or ARK, GA or MISS in NOV and spme were "ranked"..

Just because some committee ranks them all high at the beginning (week zero) then you say OMG they beat 3 ranked teams or whatever. FSU was ranked week 1, how'd that work out. BSU was ranked. They stunk. But USF beat "ranked" BSU in the very first game like 34-0?

ND played the schedule. Slow start, great finish. ALA bad finish.

Why dont they just forfiet the CCG if "it is meaningless"?

Now go ahead. Cherry pick sentences and call it dumb.

 

[leftwinger]

Cool I don’t care. Alabama being an underdog to the 1 seed isn’t proof they didn’t belong in tne CFP

Again you try tricky wording. I said they are good value 17:1. $10 risk gets $180 back.

 

[Couchpotato]

Again you try tricky wording. I said they are good value 17:1. $10 risk gets $180 back.

Yeah I don’t care and it isn’t relevant to the conversation. It’s snowing at my house currently. This fact is as relevant as you post.

 

[leftwinger]

Conference (BOWL TEAMS)
record winning percentage
------‐----------------------
AMERICAN 4-3.571
ACC 5-4.556
BIG 12 4-1.800
BIG TEN 7-3.700
CONFERENCE USA 4-3.571
INDEPENDENTS 0-1.000
MAC 2-3.400
MOUNTAIN WEST 2-5.286
PAC-12 1-01.000
SEC 3-6.333 *******
SUN BELT 3-6

Too hard to to type out main points. And I'm no wordsmith like some. SEC in week 0, then play each other. Oh well beat ranked teams. Uh....OK.

 

[leftwinger]

Yeah I don’t care and it isn’t relevant to the conversation. It’s snowing at my house currently. This fact is as relevant as you post.

Maybe others do care. Maybe they might bet it. The TMT is on now. That's the final 8.

 

[Couchpotato]

Maybe others do care. Maybe they might bet it. The TMT is on now. That's the final 8.

Make a thread about it.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

The 1 year history?

No, since 2014

The committee said before the year started that they weren’t going to punish teams for playing in their CCG. So your mad they did what they said they were going to do?

They punished BYU this year for losing their conference championship game, but didn’t punish Alabama. There’s no reason or explanation.. combine that with Bama being the only conference championship loser to not fall in the CFP ranking history and it’s unprecedented and looks terrible

I’m the farthest thing from an Alabama fan.

Me too

 

[Couchpotato]

No, since 2014

So you want to go back prior to the current format?

They punished BYU this year for losing their conference championship game, but didn’t punish Alabama. There’s no reason or explanation.. combine that with Bama being the only conference championship loser to not fall in the CFP ranking history and it’s unprecedented and looks terrible

No they didn't. BYU wasn't in the dance prior to their CCG. Week 15 they were 11 which means not in. They dropped to 12 which was also not in so what was the "punishment"? Alabama kept it's "ranking" but honestly what does that matter? If they had moved them to 10 and Miami to 9 would that have been better and you wouldn't have complained?

Me too

What's clear is they need to fix the long lay off for the teams getting the byes. They are 0-5 so far.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

So you want to go back prior to the current format?

Im referring to the fact that since the CFP has existed (2014), every conference championship loser has lowered in the rankings accept for Alabama this year at 9. Meanwhile, There was no change in the rules. Yet, Alabama is the lone exception? Horrible look.

No they didn't. BYU wasn't in the dance prior to their CCG. Week 15 they were 11 which means not in.

Sure it is. There are 12 teams

They dropped to 12 which was also not in so what was the "punishment"?

Duke won the ACC at like 7-5 and they didn’t get in, so it’s not about winning a conference championship.

Alabama kept it's "ranking" but honestly what does that matter? If they had moved them to 10 and Miami to 9 would that have been better and you wouldn't have complained?

Multiple factors relied on one another, which is why this whole mess needs to be cleaned up.

Be that as it may, there’s a provable double standard between Alabama and BYU. The CFP has to answer for that (they wont).. and that’s also a horrible look when talking Alabama bias. They couldn’t look worse if they tried

What's clear is they need to fix the long lay off for the teams getting the byes. They are 0-5 so far.

Indeed, and no G5 team BS.. just the best 12 teams, or 16.

 

[Couchpotato]

Im referring to the fact that since the CFP has existed (2014), every conference championship loser has lowered in the rankings accept for Alabama this year at 9. Meanwhile, There was no change in the rules. Yet, Alabama is the lone exception? Horrible look.

The rules haven't changed since 2014? Odd I don't remember there being 12 teams in the PO prior to last year...... I don't remember there being auto bids for CC until last year. I don't remember there being rules for the at large bids until last year. Seems the rules have changed significantly.

Sure it is. There are 12 teams

It's not just the 12 top ranked teams. That's not the selection process.

SEC, Big10 and Big12 champ get an auto bid. Then the 2 highest ranked CC from the other conferences get in. Then the highest ranked teams left get the at large bids. So unless the winners of the CCG's are in the PO's prior to the CCG's happening are in the top 12 being in the top 12 isn't a lock to get in. There will be at least 1 team from outside the top 12 who makes it every year because the ranking entities are never going to rank the Tulane's of the world in the top 10 in this years case it was 2. If the ACC champ had been in the top 12 you would have a point with BYU but they weren't, didn't make the PO and so you don't.

Duke won the ACC at like 7-5 and they didn’t get in, so it’s not about winning a conference championship.

So you just have no idea who the selection process works, you're just here to ***** about the outcome of the process.

Multiple factors relied on one another, which is why this whole mess needs to be cleaned up.

Be that as it may, there’s a provable double standard between Alabama and BYU. The CFP has to answer for that (they wont).. and that’s also a horrible look when talking Alabama bias. They couldn’t look worse if they tried

No there isnt. Moving Alabama to 10, (BYU went from 11 to 12) would have made zero difference in the outcome of who got in and who didnt. The committee basically said we are moving ND out because we don't believe they have the resume to get in but that Alabama had a better resume than Miami. That's it. It's not a you lose and therefore move back 2 spaces. ND should have never been in the top 10 to begin with. The bias that fucked up this PO (if it's fucked up) was the ND bias not the Alabama/SEC one.

Indeed, and no G5 team BS.. just the best 12 teams, or 16.

Sorry but allowing one of the masses into the tournament each year isn't a big deal.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

The rules haven't changed since 2014? Odd I don't remember there being 12 teams in the PO prior to last year...... I don't remember there being auto bids for CC until last year. I don't remember there being rules for the at large bids until last year. Seems the rules have changed significantly.

I'm talking about why the CFP picks certain teams over others. That's not changed. When it was 4 teams, they had a vague "best 4 teams" qualification, not the best records or most "deserving".

It's not just the 12 top ranked teams. That's not the selection process.

What we know is that
1. Had #11 BYU won their conference title, they'd have been in. They lost, so they were out and their ranking dropped.
2. #9 Alabama lost their conference title, and they stayed at #9 (which has never happened before in 11 years of CFP rankings) and they stayed in.

It doesn't get any more clear than that when you talk double standards.

SEC, Big10 and Big12 champ get an auto bid. Then the 2 highest ranked CC from the other conferences get in. Then the highest ranked teams left get the at large bids. So unless the winners of the CCG's are in the PO's prior to the CCG's happening are in the top 12 being in the top 12 isn't a lock to get in. There will be at least 1 team from outside the top 12 who makes it every year because the ranking entities are never going to rank the Tulane's of the world in the top 10 in this years case it was 2. If the ACC champ had been in the top 12 you would have a point with BYU but they weren't, didn't make the PO and so you don't.

So you just have no idea who the selection process works, you're just here to ***** about the outcome of the process.

No, nobody is bitching. I'm talking about optics, and I'll gladly parse an Alabama vs. Miami vs. Notre Dame debate.

1. What messed this year up was something unrelated to who the best team is. Duke beat Virginia in the ACC championship game (which Miami didn't even qualify for). Had Virginia won, Virginia would have gotten in from the ACC, and the CFP committee would have had the freedom to leave Miami out and put Notre Dame in. Because Duke won, Virginia dropped (Unlike Alabama)... based on politics alone the CFP committee HAD to put in Miami, or else there would be no ACC team, and they couldn't justify that.

So, Miami got in over Notre Dame based on politics alone. People said it was head to head, but that was a toss up game that didn't really harm either team (Like OSU vs. Indiana), and Notre Dame was the superior team throughout the season by any metric or eyeball test.

That leaves Notre Dame vs. Alabama, and this could go either way. Bama had better wins, but also far worse losses. Bama also looked worse in their last 4 games, while Notre Dame was on a roll, pulling starters in 3rd Quarters... in hindsight they probably should have aimed to blow out teams as much as possible to "impress" the committee with 63-7 wins. The time of losses matters also, it always has. Notre Dame's losses were to elite programs at the beginning of the year. That's different than a loss at the end of the year. You know this if you have followed college football.

So, My main claim here is that this just looks horrible if you're going to try to fight the idea of Alabama bias. What happened happened, much of it not for the reasons people claim.. but anyone who claims Alabama bias has every reason to continue to claim it based on historical precedent/norms as well as what happened this year when you compare BYU and Alabama.

Sorry but allowing one of the masses into the tournament each year isn't a big deal.

Yes it is, it's a pipe dream, an automatic 17-20pt line game that will be a blow out. It's a completely different sport trying to capture the "magic" of david vs. goliath in the basketball march madness and bring it to the football field, but that's not possible. G5 teams cannot defeat Ohio State, Indiana, Texas Tech, Oregon, etc. It's a more deliberate sport than basketball, I understand why they might have wanted to try it, but it's a joke. I'm glad Tulane and James Madison were blown out this year so hopefully it can all end. This year would have been so much better had we gotten Oregon vs. Notre Dame and Missouri vs. Texas

 

[debbiedowner]

Alabama just got the shit kicked out of them. 2 minutes left and losing by 35 points.