No to stimulus 5. Paying people to not work and to bail out bad local governments and unions is wrong

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I bet it happens. And while you are blaming dems, repubs control the presidency, senate, and Supreme Court. It wouldn’t happen if repubs didn’t want it to.
The OP says he is a Libertarian. The people who like to see people starve.
That's a lie. I say I'm not a Libertarian. I'm actually a libertarian
 
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I bet it happens. And while you are blaming dems, repubs control the presidency, senate, and Supreme Court. It wouldn’t happen if repubs didn’t want it to.
The OP says he is a Libertarian. The people who like to see people starve.
The only people that think that are people that like the govt to wipe their ass for them.
People are starving in the streets what do you do? Let the free market decide. Isn’t that what libertarian say?
Try reading my OP again. I said this is NOT a normal time. Free markets did not fail, government shut them down. Government schools, I'm so sorry what happened to you. Don't you want better for your children than the shit education you got?
 

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Who were we trying to help ?? Putin , Like Trump is doing?
Another psycho Leftist living in the Alt Left Universe... :rolleyes:
John What alt left universe ?? You don't believe like so many others do that Putin helped trump get elected and the POS is trying again? How tf can anyone want 4 more years of this lying POS Trump?
 
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What Nancy Pelosi wants is a pure government giveaway to discourage people from working by paying them more money to not work than work. And the rest is a giveaway to unions and bad blue State governments and their huge pension fund liabilities that were never adequately funded. And then she wants other green and leftist objectives to tie it all up in a nice bow. I didn't see ANYTHING in her bill that I supported. There is no compromise with that. Far better to not do anything.

This is an unusual time since government forced businesses to shut down. So I'm open even as a libertarian to spending I would not normally support. But the bill would have to be payouts to get businesses running and hiring again. A payroll tax suspension would be great for workers and businesses. But those are non-starters for Nancy. At least 20 or so Republicans realize that a deal is not always a good thing. And this deal isn't worth making. Let's send them home for their August break.

"Rep. Lance Gooden, R-Texas, said Wednesday that at least 20 Senate Republicans will not vote for a fresh coronavirus stimulus deal."

The Democrats intentions were never to help the American people.
Who were we trying to help ?? Putin , Like Trump is doing?
2017 Democrats called. They want their witch hunt back.

Give it up. Mueller found out it was a lie
 

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I bet it happens. And while you are blaming dems, repubs control the presidency, senate, and Supreme Court. It wouldn’t happen if repubs didn’t want it to.
The OP says he is a Libertarian. The people who like to see people starve.
He’s a trumper more than anything.
The worst insult you know. He's a ... {room hushes} ... Trumper ...

LOL. Grow up, tyke
Kaz you're known by the company you keep You really don't care if you're known by this POS this FN unqualified shithead trump? Because that's how everyone sees you
 

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What Nancy Pelosi wants is a pure government giveaway to discourage people from working by paying them more money to not work than work. And the rest is a giveaway to unions and bad blue State governments and their huge pension fund liabilities that were never adequately funded. And then she wants other green and leftist objectives to tie it all up in a nice bow. I didn't see ANYTHING in her bill that I supported. There is no compromise with that. Far better to not do anything.

This is an unusual time since government forced businesses to shut down. So I'm open even as a libertarian to spending I would not normally support. But the bill would have to be payouts to get businesses running and hiring again. A payroll tax suspension would be great for workers and businesses. But those are non-starters for Nancy. At least 20 or so Republicans realize that a deal is not always a good thing. And this deal isn't worth making. Let's send them home for their August break.

"Rep. Lance Gooden, R-Texas, said Wednesday that at least 20 Senate Republicans will not vote for a fresh coronavirus stimulus deal."

You do know that many republicans do not support the payroll tax cut including Mnuchin right? It’s not honest to only point at Nancy about that one. And it’s not popular because it is a slow and indirect method of stimulus
 

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I bet it happens. And while you are blaming dems, repubs control the presidency, senate, and Supreme Court. It wouldn’t happen if repubs didn’t want it to.
The OP says he is a Libertarian. The people who like to see people starve.
The only people that think that are people that like the govt to wipe their ass for them.
People are starving in the streets what do you do? Let the free market decide. Isn’t that what libertarian say?
There's nobody starving in the streets, asswipe.
 

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John What alt left universe ?? You don't believe like so many others do that Putin helped trump get elected and the POS is trying again? How tf can anyone want 4 more years of this lying POS Trump?
That shit has all been debunked and normal informed thinking Americans know it.

Your post are not worthy of a response.

Run along lil' troll.
 

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Biden ahead in first electoral map Hate is exhausting and that's all that trump MF has
 

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John What alt left universe ?? You don't believe like so many others do that Putin helped trump get elected and the POS is trying again? How tf can anyone want 4 more years of this lying POS Trump?
That shit has all been debunked and normal informed thinking Americans know it.

Your post are not worthy of a response.

Run along lil' troll.
Debunked ? BULLSHIT Even Republicans admitted it .... you run along traitor and get your head out of trumps ass It's unseemly
 
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I bet it happens. And while you are blaming dems, repubs control the presidency, senate, and Supreme Court. It wouldn’t happen if repubs didn’t want it to.
The OP says he is a Libertarian. The people who like to see people starve.
He’s a trumper more than anything.
The worst insult you know. He's a ... {room hushes} ... Trumper ...

LOL. Grow up, tyke
Kaz you're known by the company you keep You really don't care if you're known by this POS this FN unqualified shithead trump? Because that's how everyone sees you
Ditto for you and Nancy Pelosi
 
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What Nancy Pelosi wants is a pure government giveaway to discourage people from working by paying them more money to not work than work. And the rest is a giveaway to unions and bad blue State governments and their huge pension fund liabilities that were never adequately funded. And then she wants other green and leftist objectives to tie it all up in a nice bow. I didn't see ANYTHING in her bill that I supported. There is no compromise with that. Far better to not do anything.

This is an unusual time since government forced businesses to shut down. So I'm open even as a libertarian to spending I would not normally support. But the bill would have to be payouts to get businesses running and hiring again. A payroll tax suspension would be great for workers and businesses. But those are non-starters for Nancy. At least 20 or so Republicans realize that a deal is not always a good thing. And this deal isn't worth making. Let's send them home for their August break.

"Rep. Lance Gooden, R-Texas, said Wednesday that at least 20 Senate Republicans will not vote for a fresh coronavirus stimulus deal."

You do know that many republicans do not support the payroll tax cut including Mnuchin right? It’s not honest to only point at Nancy about that one. And it’s not popular because it is a slow and indirect method of stimulus
I don't think I said or cared whether all Republicans agree with it or not.

And it was an example. My point was that if there is any further spending, it should be to create jobs, not to stifle the economy. That is an example of a tax cut that would invigorate the economy. It puts money in people's hands for working instead of not working. And it's a benefit to cash strapped employers to lower the cost of hiring.

Also, note I pointed to Nancy as rejecting that for the negotiations. Other Republicans didn't do that
 

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What Nancy Pelosi wants is a pure government giveaway to discourage people from working by paying them more money to not work than work. And the rest is a giveaway to unions and bad blue State governments and their huge pension fund liabilities that were never adequately funded. And then she wants other green and leftist objectives to tie it all up in a nice bow. I didn't see ANYTHING in her bill that I supported. There is no compromise with that. Far better to not do anything.

This is an unusual time since government forced businesses to shut down. So I'm open even as a libertarian to spending I would not normally support. But the bill would have to be payouts to get businesses running and hiring again. A payroll tax suspension would be great for workers and businesses. But those are non-starters for Nancy. At least 20 or so Republicans realize that a deal is not always a good thing. And this deal isn't worth making. Let's send them home for their August break.

"Rep. Lance Gooden, R-Texas, said Wednesday that at least 20 Senate Republicans will not vote for a fresh coronavirus stimulus deal."

You do know that many republicans do not support the payroll tax cut including Mnuchin right? It’s not honest to only point at Nancy about that one. And it’s not popular because it is a slow and indirect method of stimulus
I don't think I said or cared whether all Republicans agree with it or not.

And it was an example. My point was that if there is any further spending, it should be to create jobs, not to stifle the economy. That is an example of a tax cut that would invigorate the economy. It puts money in people's hands for working instead of not working. And it's a benefit to cash strapped employers to lower the cost of hiring.

Also, note I pointed to Nancy as rejecting that for the negotiations. Other Republicans didn't do that
Yes you pointed at Nancies rejection and didn’t mention that many republicans including Trumps Sec of Treasury have expressed opposition to the idea. I find that relevant.

I’d say that the Dem plan was too fat in many areas but it should have been negotiated 2 months ago.Ignoring it till now just to come up with a 11th hour bill that doesn't even have consensus amoungst Republicans is almost as embassing as the healthcare debacle. It just further highlights the incompetence of our congressional leaders and the constipation that partisan politics results in.
 

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Debunked ? BULLSHIT Even Republicans admitted it .... you run along traitor and get your head out of trumps ass It's unseemly
Dude ...

You don't live in Reality.

Go spew all that psycho debunked Alt Left Universe bullshit with one of your bed wetting Leftist friends.
 
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What Nancy Pelosi wants is a pure government giveaway to discourage people from working by paying them more money to not work than work. And the rest is a giveaway to unions and bad blue State governments and their huge pension fund liabilities that were never adequately funded. And then she wants other green and leftist objectives to tie it all up in a nice bow. I didn't see ANYTHING in her bill that I supported. There is no compromise with that. Far better to not do anything.

This is an unusual time since government forced businesses to shut down. So I'm open even as a libertarian to spending I would not normally support. But the bill would have to be payouts to get businesses running and hiring again. A payroll tax suspension would be great for workers and businesses. But those are non-starters for Nancy. At least 20 or so Republicans realize that a deal is not always a good thing. And this deal isn't worth making. Let's send them home for their August break.

"Rep. Lance Gooden, R-Texas, said Wednesday that at least 20 Senate Republicans will not vote for a fresh coronavirus stimulus deal."

You do know that many republicans do not support the payroll tax cut including Mnuchin right? It’s not honest to only point at Nancy about that one. And it’s not popular because it is a slow and indirect method of stimulus
I don't think I said or cared whether all Republicans agree with it or not.

And it was an example. My point was that if there is any further spending, it should be to create jobs, not to stifle the economy. That is an example of a tax cut that would invigorate the economy. It puts money in people's hands for working instead of not working. And it's a benefit to cash strapped employers to lower the cost of hiring.

Also, note I pointed to Nancy as rejecting that for the negotiations. Other Republicans didn't do that
Yes you pointed at Nancies rejection and didn’t mention that many republicans including Trumps Sec of Treasury have expressed opposition to the idea. I find that relevant.

I’d say that the Dem plan was too fat in many areas but it should have been negotiated 2 months ago.Ignoring it till now just to come up with a 11th hour bill that doesn't even have consensus amoungst Republicans is almost as embassing as the healthcare debacle. It just further highlights the incompetence of our congressional leaders and the constipation that partisan politics results in.

My OP is based on that:

I generally/may support spending/tax cuts that provide jobs.

I oppose all spending that doesn't.

You aren't contradicting that even though you're stuck on this
 

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But it sure is effective at advancing a Socialist agenda !!
Yea. What better time to sell millions of voters on socialized medicine than right after they all lose their employer paid healthcare.
We need to do away with both. No one but your parents took you or anybody else to raise and no one owes you diddly squat shit.
 
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What Nancy Pelosi wants is a pure government giveaway to discourage people from working by paying them more money to not work than work. And the rest is a giveaway to unions and bad blue State governments and their huge pension fund liabilities that were never adequately funded. And then she wants other green and leftist objectives to tie it all up in a nice bow. I didn't see ANYTHING in her bill that I supported. There is no compromise with that. Far better to not do anything.

This is an unusual time since government forced businesses to shut down. So I'm open even as a libertarian to spending I would not normally support. But the bill would have to be payouts to get businesses running and hiring again. A payroll tax suspension would be great for workers and businesses. But those are non-starters for Nancy. At least 20 or so Republicans realize that a deal is not always a good thing. And this deal isn't worth making. Let's send them home for their August break.

"Rep. Lance Gooden, R-Texas, said Wednesday that at least 20 Senate Republicans will not vote for a fresh coronavirus stimulus deal."

You do know that many republicans do not support the payroll tax cut including Mnuchin right? It’s not honest to only point at Nancy about that one. And it’s not popular because it is a slow and indirect method of stimulus
I don't think I said or cared whether all Republicans agree with it or not.

And it was an example. My point was that if there is any further spending, it should be to create jobs, not to stifle the economy. That is an example of a tax cut that would invigorate the economy. It puts money in people's hands for working instead of not working. And it's a benefit to cash strapped employers to lower the cost of hiring.

Also, note I pointed to Nancy as rejecting that for the negotiations. Other Republicans didn't do that
Yes you pointed at Nancies rejection and didn’t mention that many republicans including Trumps Sec of Treasury have expressed opposition to the idea. I find that relevant.

I’d say that the Dem plan was too fat in many areas but it should have been negotiated 2 months ago.Ignoring it till now just to come up with a 11th hour bill that doesn't even have consensus amoungst Republicans is almost as embassing as the healthcare debacle. It just further highlights the incompetence of our congressional leaders and the constipation that partisan politics results in.

My OP is based on that:

I generally/may support spending/tax cuts that provide jobs.

I oppose all spending that doesn't.

You aren't contradicting that even though you're stuck on this
I support spending that helps create jobs as well but I also recognize that there are far more unemployed than there are available jobs so additional help is needed. Especially since the economy is still partially closed by mandate. People who are unemployed need to be able to pay rent. If they can’t and evictions start to ramp up we are going to be in a really bad place.

Also, local governments have been slaughtered from lack of travel and biz revenue, schools need additional support too esp if we want to see them open safely
 
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What Nancy Pelosi wants is a pure government giveaway to discourage people from working by paying them more money to not work than work. And the rest is a giveaway to unions and bad blue State governments and their huge pension fund liabilities that were never adequately funded. And then she wants other green and leftist objectives to tie it all up in a nice bow. I didn't see ANYTHING in her bill that I supported. There is no compromise with that. Far better to not do anything.

This is an unusual time since government forced businesses to shut down. So I'm open even as a libertarian to spending I would not normally support. But the bill would have to be payouts to get businesses running and hiring again. A payroll tax suspension would be great for workers and businesses. But those are non-starters for Nancy. At least 20 or so Republicans realize that a deal is not always a good thing. And this deal isn't worth making. Let's send them home for their August break.

"Rep. Lance Gooden, R-Texas, said Wednesday that at least 20 Senate Republicans will not vote for a fresh coronavirus stimulus deal."

You do know that many republicans do not support the payroll tax cut including Mnuchin right? It’s not honest to only point at Nancy about that one. And it’s not popular because it is a slow and indirect method of stimulus
I don't think I said or cared whether all Republicans agree with it or not.

And it was an example. My point was that if there is any further spending, it should be to create jobs, not to stifle the economy. That is an example of a tax cut that would invigorate the economy. It puts money in people's hands for working instead of not working. And it's a benefit to cash strapped employers to lower the cost of hiring.

Also, note I pointed to Nancy as rejecting that for the negotiations. Other Republicans didn't do that
Yes you pointed at Nancies rejection and didn’t mention that many republicans including Trumps Sec of Treasury have expressed opposition to the idea. I find that relevant.

I’d say that the Dem plan was too fat in many areas but it should have been negotiated 2 months ago.Ignoring it till now just to come up with a 11th hour bill that doesn't even have consensus amoungst Republicans is almost as embassing as the healthcare debacle. It just further highlights the incompetence of our congressional leaders and the constipation that partisan politics results in.

My OP is based on that:

I generally/may support spending/tax cuts that provide jobs.

I oppose all spending that doesn't.

You aren't contradicting that even though you're stuck on this
I support spending that helps create jobs as well but I also recognize that there are far more unemployed than there are available jobs so additional help is needed. Especially since the economy is still partially closed by mandate. People who are unemployed need to be able to pay rent. If they can’t and evictions start to ramp up we are going to be in a really bad place.
So that could be the basis of a compromise. Focus on jobs but provide some more support for the unemployed. But that compromise cannot be that they make more for NOT working than working. That is so destructive to our economy. Employers really are having a hard time getting their employees to work full time and give up $600 a month plus State unemployment. It's too much
 

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Debunked ? BULLSHIT Even Republicans admitted it .... you run along traitor and get your head out of trumps ass It's unseemly
Dude ...

You don't live in Reality.

Go spew all that psycho debunked Alt Left Universe bullshit with one of your bed wetting Leftist friends.
Go look at the electoral votes map and shat your pants
 

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